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03-10-2021, 09:27 AM
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Rivet Master
2021 30' Flying Cloud
2020 25' International
minneapolis
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 1,468
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Door can potentially smash the window
Anyone come up with a good solution to eliminate the possibility of breaking the window?
• The obvious...never open the window. In this case, a way to secure the window, not allowing an unaware person from opening it.
• Limiting door travel. Somehow keeping the door from opening past 90 degrees.
• last and preferably not: have a new door made that hinges on the right.
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03-10-2021, 09:30 AM
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Rivet Master
2009 34' Panamerica
2005 28' Classic
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Can't tell by the pic, but wouldn't you have the same problem with a right hinge door with the curbside front window. Looks close from the pics.
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03-10-2021, 09:41 AM
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Rivet Master
2021 30' Flying Cloud
2020 25' International
minneapolis
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2020
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Yes, though it’s the bedroom window, we wouldn’t open that as often. The door won’t contact the bedroom window until the door is fully open. I hit the window yesterday opening the door just past 90 degrees. Thank goodness it wasn’t a hard hit and the window was only half open.
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03-10-2021, 09:45 AM
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Rivet Master
2009 34' Panamerica
2005 28' Classic
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Makes sense. My vote would be some sort of stopper. Many SOBs I've seen have them. Do a search using your favorite search engine for RV door stop and see if any of those make sense. If not, pretty sure you could MacGyver yourself something custom. Moving the door hinges, though possible would be my last and final option because I don't know what AS did to the shell on the non-latch side in terms of reinforcement, etc, let alone moving the step handle, which then has holes to fill and re-drill out if moving.
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03-10-2021, 09:59 AM
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Rivet Master
2021 30' Flying Cloud
2020 25' International
minneapolis
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 1,468
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Thanks guys! I just found another discussion with multiple other Airstream floor plans with this same issue. Everyone’s conclusion is never open the window...bummer...not the end of the world. It’s better having a window that doesn’t open over a wall.
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03-10-2021, 08:33 PM
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Rivet Master
1969 18' Caravel
Greenville
, whereEverIroam
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 1,409
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Shame on AS for such a poor design. Makes you wonder who came up with the idea, and who approved it, and why nobody there has pointed it out and fixed the problem.
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03-10-2021, 09:57 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 25' Flying Cloud
Fayetteville
, Arkansas
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 601
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Remove the window hardware that makes it operable.
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2017 25' Safari FBQ - “Fly Fish Inn”
2023 F150 XLT
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03-11-2021, 04:13 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2019 30' Flying Cloud
Grass Lake
, Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2018
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My cargo trailer has a chain and spring attached from door frame to door that limits opening to 90 degrees. It’s not elegant but would work. I seem to recall seeing those on RV doors many years ago.
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03-11-2021, 09:15 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2017 27' Flying Cloud
Volente
, Texas
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 45
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A pool noodle over the edge of the window at the point of potential impact would cushion the blow. Perhaps make it a non issue.
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2017 27 ft. Airstream FCFB
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03-11-2021, 09:15 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Caledonia
, Michigan
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 169
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When I had this window configuration, if I opened the window next to the door, I'd place a length of swim noodle, cut down the middle over the window edge and then let the window rest on the noodle, so not open much. I set it up so that the door would rest on the noodle if it was open all the way, preventing the window from being stressed.
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03-11-2021, 09:25 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Because of the door versus window situation, we simply don’t open the forward window in our dinette. I have ‘window poppers’ to install on all the other windows. I suspect that front dinette window is well stuck to its gasket, so it’s not openable anyway. It works just fine for looking out of...
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03-11-2021, 09:41 AM
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1 Rivet Member
2016 30' Flying Cloud
Kingston
, Ontario
Join Date: May 2016
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We keep that window closed. Most annoying design flaw is having door hinges to the left. We had the door swing open while travelling full speed down the highway attempting to become a pancake as it hit the side. Luckily the window didn’t break but required factory visit to reshape it. Could have been worse!
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03-11-2021, 11:09 AM
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2 Rivet Member
2021 16' Caravel
Long Beach
, Indiana
Join Date: Nov 2020
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donutboy
A pool noodle over the edge of the window at the point of potential impact would cushion the blow. Perhaps make it a non issue.
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Instead of using an ugly brightly colored pool noodles, suggest using black pipe insulation tubing. You can get it in different inside and outside diameters. At least it would match your airstream.
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03-11-2021, 11:23 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by s1000pre
Anyone come up with a good solution to eliminate the possibility of breaking the window?
• The obvious...never open the window. In this case, a way to secure the window, not allowing an unaware person from opening it.
• Limiting door travel. Somehow keeping the door from opening past 90 degrees.
• last and preferably not: have a new door made that hinges on the right.
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In our case...NEVER hold the door open all the way with the furnace on.
It's never right for everyone.🥴
Bob
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03-11-2021, 11:53 AM
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2 Rivet Member
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 21
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Wherrwe
I made the window inoperable by removing the push arms and re-installing them on their opposite sides so they’re backward, but still there, hanging inside the window frame. That way they’ll never get lost.
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03-11-2021, 02:05 PM
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Silver Condo III
2015 30' International
Saskatoon
, Saskatchewan
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 264
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Dealer solved the problem
When we had our 28' International we had the same issue. Our dealer (Can-Am in London, ON) had a great solution. They put a bracket with an eye on it on the side of the trailer and a similar one on the door. Then all we had to do was place the awning hook between the two brackets. This arrangement held the door at a 90 degree angle to the trailer. I will try and find some pictures.
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03-11-2021, 02:23 PM
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Rivet Master
1967 22' Safari
MILAN
, Illinois
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 2,013
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An old-fashioned fix
s1000pre, Now before you laugh out loud give this some real consideration! If there is available room, how about using the old-fashioned safety chain to limit the cabin door travel? It would stop the door short of the window edge if adjusted correctly and could always be un-hooked if the door needed to be fully opened. The chain could be covered with plastic tubing like swing set chains are but instead of protecting little fingers would of coarse be on the chain to protect door and screen! It sounds like it could be an option and would sure be cheaper than replacing a window glass or changing the door and frame to the other direction! Also no need for unsightly plastic swim noodles, Ha! Just a thought! Ed
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03-11-2021, 03:19 PM
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New Member
2020 23' Globetrotter
Oakland
, California
Join Date: Jun 2020
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Best Solution
We have the same issue with our 2020 GT 23. The best solution would be for Airstream to design a window that could side up and down for these situations. A clever tech could come up with something that has a center horizontal “bar” that matches a line from either the door or or an existing feature on the body of the trailer to the non door side of the trailer. Just a thought because this issue is out of character with the engineering of Airstreams.
Mark
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03-12-2021, 03:55 AM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' International
Rogers
, Arkansas
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 742
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This is one of the reasons we didn't buy a 28'. It makes no sense to me. The other reason as Dart mentioned in post #12, opening into the wind while driving. I hear it does happen.
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03-30-2023, 07:31 AM
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Member
2023 23' International
Lakewood
, Ohio
Join Date: Mar 2023
Posts: 32
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Bracket Solution
Quote:
Originally Posted by kamadeca
When we had our 28' International we had the same issue. Our dealer (Can-Am in London, ON) had a great solution. They put a bracket with an eye on it on the side of the trailer and a similar one on the door. Then all we had to do was place the awning hook between the two brackets. This arrangement held the door at a 90 degree angle to the trailer. I will try and find some pictures.
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Can you post some pictures of this?
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