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Old 08-06-2017, 12:27 PM   #1
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GMC/EchoMaster Integrated Camera System

I'm thinking of a GMC 2500 installed with the integrated camera system. Has anybody used the rear camera on a older (2013) pre-pre-wired trailer?
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Old 08-06-2017, 01:23 PM   #2
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I believe this system is for 2014 and later 1500s and 2016 and forward HDs only. Must have latest generation of radios and screens
Wait, you're talking about an older trailer with a new truck.....all you need is a power wire for the camera. The transmission signal is wireless, so prewire is a non-issue.
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:24 PM   #3
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Hey, Rich. Thanks for the reply. Any idea how they route the power wire? I probably will have Airstream NW do it, but kinda would like to know. Thanks for the reply
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Most commonly to the center rear marker light. You have to run with your markers on, but that way you automatically turn off the camera when disconnected from TV.
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Old 08-06-2017, 02:34 PM   #5
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I have played with the system on some display mockups, but just can't pull the trigger for $1k while my old system still works. It's pretty cool and integration is great.
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I have the system on our 2017 Silverado and most of it is pretty slick. It does have 2 annoyances:
1. When using the turn signals, you get the camera mounted under the side view mirrors. During the day, it is very helpful seeing stuff in your blindspot, but at night, the bright lights in the display are a distraction.
2. When shifting to reverse, you automatically get the backup camera on the truck and you have to wait 4 sec to switch to the backup camera on the trailer. This is a PIAA when you are getting into a tight spot and have to pull forward to straighten out. Each time, you have to wait again before selecting the trailer camera. Sometimes, it takes more than one try to get the trailer camera to come on.

I was told by the manufacturer that federal law requires that on cars with backup cameras, the vehicle backup camera has to come on first and stay on for a period of time. I asked if they could turn off the vehicle camera when the trailer is attached and was told "no".
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Did you install the system yourself? Dealer? I looked at the pdf and it looks like you have to tear the whole interior apart, dash, door and more. Yhe parts are $1k, what did the install cost?
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I plan to order the camera system for my 18 Silverado 2500. Really interested in the comments on this system.
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You a right, a lot of the interior comes apart. I think the total cost installed was $1400. I installed the camera on the trailer.
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Old 08-07-2017, 01:16 PM   #10
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Thanks, it figures that the labor was that high. I would also install the trailer camera but I am not sure that I am willing to pay $1400 for even a slick integrated camera since my Garmin camera works well enough with my GPS. Does your wireless camera have any range problems from the back of the trailer?
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No problems so far. I even tried it with the truck in the garage and the camera still worked. I did, of course, have to jumper the trailer connector to get power to the rear clearance lights to power the camera.
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Good to know, if I ever want to spend the bucks, thanks.

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I got a decent quote from my dealer for just installing the trailer camera version, but I am bothered by some of the negative internet reviews regarding the delay you mentioned when shifting into reverse. Gotta think about that.

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I got a decent quote from my dealer for just installing the trailer camera version, but I am bothered by some of the negative internet reviews regarding the delay you mentioned when shifting into reverse. Gotta think about that.

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As mentioned upstream, when a Manufacturer offers such a system, which occupies the same screen as the federally mandated tail backup camera, FMVSS requires a view of the tail area to ensure no child or object is behind the TV.
For those who missed it, starting in 2017, all vehicles must have a backup camera. It does make sense. Every year over 50 children are backed over, most commonly by a family member in their own driveway. I can live with the delay if it helps ensure safety. It is entirely conceivable, that a child could move in to look at my fancy hitch. I don't want to have to live with that scenario.
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No doubt that it makes some sense if that camera were a bed camera, but as a trailer camera with the umbilical connected it makes no sense. But maybe that is just expecting the system to be too smart. The slick integration is attractive.
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No doubt that it makes some sense if that camera were a bed camera, but as a trailer camera with the umbilical connected it makes no sense. But maybe that is just expecting the system to be too smart. The slick integration is attractive.
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Not sure I'm with you here. The tailgate camera must come on for a period of time so the driver can verify that nothing is directly behind the vehicle...ie. a child. Hey think of it as a bonus to verify your hitch is properly attached, etc. A child could as easily walk up behind your TV, whether hitched or not. It's that 2 or 3 feet directly behind the vehicle (blind spot to all mirrors) which injures and kills.
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Excuse my error...it is 50 children a week who are backed over.
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Rich,

My point is that when the trailer is hooked up and the umbilical connected, the tailgate camera is useless. A smart system would allow immediate access to the trailer rear camera in reverse. If you argue that a kid might be between the trailer and the truck, when backing up, then the same thing could happen when pulling forward and the tailgate camera is not activated in D.
I can see that the government and the manufacturer have no way of knowing where the 3rd or 4th camera are actually installed, which is why I said that if it is used as a truck bed camera then the delay makes sense.
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Well, I disagree that it is useless, but regardless, it is the law.

Here is some light reading for you:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/571.111

Specifically:

"S5.5.6 Default view. The rear visibility system must default to the rearview image meeting the requirements of S5.5.1 and S5.5.2 at the beginning of each backing event regardless of any modifications to the field of view the driver has previously selected."
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Also, Larry, you are correct about the front blind spot. Google "kids backed over" or your favorite phrase and you will not only read about backing injuries and fatalities, but forward ones as well. As cheap as cameras and sonar have become, I would expect some more legislation in the future.
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