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Old 06-18-2020, 07:45 AM   #1
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Clarion radio/CD player

During our most recent trip, I discovered that the Clarion unit in our '19 Flying Cloud 27FB will not power on. Also, the USB ports in the same cabinet are not working as well.
I've attempted to troubleshoot the issue by checking all the breakers/fuses in the control panel with no success.
I've had others comment on another forum (FB) that they replaced their Clarion with another device, and I'm certainly willing to do this.
I'm seeking input as to how to remove/replace the Clarion with another radio. TIA
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Old 06-18-2020, 07:52 AM   #2
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During our most recent trip, I discovered that the Clarion unit in our '19 Flying Cloud 27FB will not power on. Also, the USB ports in the same cabinet are not working as well.
I've attempted to troubleshoot the issue by checking all the breakers/fuses in the control panel with no success.
I've had others comment on another forum (FB) that they replaced their Clarion with another device, and I'm certainly willing to do this.
I'm seeking input as to how to remove/replace the Clarion with another radio. TIA
I will be interested in your progress on this subject. I am newbie and can't find usb port. I might be interested in a better sound source as well. I enjoy my audio with collection of music and lectures on cds and usbs. USBs do not play tracks correctly often when I put them (numbered tracks in sequence) on the USB myself. Works better on music copied to USB. Speakers seem adequate.

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Old 06-18-2020, 08:27 AM   #3
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I don't have any problems with the Clarion, but it is anything but intuitive to use. I'd be interested in something else too. I've changed car units, but the TV connection here makes this different. I would love to hear from someone who has found something better.
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Old 06-18-2020, 08:32 AM   #4
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Often these automotive units have an in-line fuse in the power wire...behind the unit. You have to remove the unit to get to the fuse holder. I am not familiar with the Clarion but the standard automotive bracket typically requires two litttle flat tools, one on each side to release the catches in the bracket. You take the faceplate off then insert the tools until you hear a click. My radio came with the tools.
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Old 06-18-2020, 09:46 AM   #5
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Typical you don't see inline fuses in these anymore, they are normally mounted to the back of the unit itself. It sounds like you have a power feed problem since you say your separate USB ports are not functioning - either power or ground. If you know how to use a DVM this could be check very easily but the stereo may have to come out to check power - I am not familiar with the way this is configured.
So check power (12V) to a known good ground and then check your ground to a known good power. You should see something like 12-14V (depending if you have shore power on/ solar panels / state of charge of the batteries / current load draw etc.

If you do need to replace the unit (doubt you will find this is the problem), I would go with either a Kenwood or Pioneer. Clarion is NOT the brand that it once was and my 3 cents not made as well as once was.
Hope this helps...


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Old 06-18-2020, 10:16 AM   #6
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During our most recent trip, I discovered that the Clarion unit in our '19 Flying Cloud 27FB will not power on. Also, the USB ports in the same cabinet are not working as well.
Still under warranty? Maybe you could get it fixed if you can't find the problem. It does sound like a wiring or power issue.
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Old 06-18-2020, 11:09 AM   #7
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Could very well be a wiring issue. Definitely check that first.

Then do yourself a huge favor and replace the Clarion with something that is more enjoyable to operate (if you find the user interface as annoying as my wife and I did with Bluetooth connecting, etc) and get some nicer usb charging ports. More than half of the usb charging ports in our trailer failed. New ones will allow for more/quicker charging capacity as well. Be aware when installing them that the positive and negative wires might not be accurate as ours weren’t. Meaning positive was wired as negative and vice versa from the factory on one or two of the usbs. Whatever!
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Old 06-18-2020, 12:02 PM   #8
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Could very well be a wiring issue. Definitely check that first.

Then do yourself a huge favor and replace the Clarion with something that is more enjoyable to operate (if you find the user interface as annoying as my wife and I did with Bluetooth connecting, etc) and get some nicer usb charging ports. More than half of the usb charging ports in our trailer failed. New ones will allow for more/quicker charging capacity as well. Be aware when installing them that the positive and negative wires might not be accurate as ours weren’t. Meaning positive was wired as negative and vice versa from the factory on one or two of the usbs. Whatever!

Or as I say "Trust but verify"
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Old 06-18-2020, 07:53 PM   #9
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:59 PM   #10
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I have hearing aids with blue tooth control of aid settings.
Question: With the sound quality of the internal speakers on my 24" Samsung "dumb" TV, How do I set up Clarion Radio so I can hear through the Clarion Speakers?
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Old 07-01-2020, 08:39 AM   #11
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I have hearing aids with blue tooth control of aid settings.
Question: With the sound quality of the internal speakers on my 24" Samsung "dumb" TV, How do I set up Clarion Radio so I can hear through the Clarion Speakers?


If it’s a factory install with the Television connected to the radio, you just select the input to Aux.

If not lots of wiring etc.
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Old 07-02-2020, 06:36 AM   #12
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I have hearing aids with blue tooth control of aid settings.
Question: With the sound quality of the internal speakers on my 24" Samsung "dumb" TV, How do I set up Clarion Radio so I can hear through the Clarion Speakers?

You could do something like this...


https://www.amazon.com/HERCHR-Blueto...a-841204294042
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Old 08-04-2020, 12:41 PM   #13
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Just brought my 2012 International out of storage and the radio (Sony) does not come on at all. Checked the fuse and there is no wire at the # 9 location. No modifications by me, and I bought it new!
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Old 02-16-2021, 05:14 PM   #14
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I know this thread has been idle for some time, but I just resolved this issue in my 2016 27FB flying cloud. Apparently, the previous owner (or the dealership) had seen this issue too. When I bought this camper, the radio was powered by a small inverter plugged into the shore power AC outlet above the DVD player. I thought this is so inefficient to power a 12v car stereo with an inverter. The dual USB ports (12v to USB adapter) was not getting power either, Hmm.

In the rats nest behind the radio, I found a spare 12v and ground wire pair from circuit #8, the grey wire, that had been snipped and taped. Now I'm feeling like a forensic engineer. According to the label in the DC distribution panel, the radio and USB ports are both powered by DC circuit #8 (the grey wire). There is indeed 12v available on the grey wire in the DC distribution panel, but the circuit is broken (not shorted) before reaching the cabinet above the dinette. I accidentally found that bouncing on the steps would intermittently restore 12v on this grey wire. I tried for days to find the loose/broken connection on the grey wire. I finally gave up on the grey wire (circuit #8).

I saw that circuit #7 (the black wire) also runs through the same rats nest as the grey wire. You know where I'm going with this solution? Circuit #7 powers the reading lights/dome light above the dinette and the sub-woofer. Using the Victron 700 DMV I installed with my LiFeP04 drop-in battery upgrade (another story), I measured the power draw of each of the components on circuit #8 (with a new wire run along the cabin floor) and circuit #7. The current draw (including the radio) of all of these components are well under the 15 A fuse protecting each circuit.

So, I simply cut the grey wire before it was split into four wires and tied it into the black wire (circuit #7). Even if I'm wrong with the load, the black wire is protected by it's 15 A fuse. I removed the 15 A fuse for circuit #8 in the DC distribution panel to avoid any potential issues with the suspect grey wire.

I am an Electrical Engineer, so I can steam into this issue with supreme ignorance, I mean confidence.

Now the radio (also changed out, also another story) is powered directly by 12v as it was originally intended. The dual USB charging ports also work without issue.

Hopefully this was helpful.

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Old 02-16-2021, 07:13 PM   #15
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Correction: Wherever I said "inverter" it should have read "converter".
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Old 02-17-2021, 11:36 AM   #16
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Last year as a COVID project I took inspiration from a thread started by the poster wulfrat on this forum and upgraded the Clarion head unit, plus speakers and subwoofer.

I cut out for a larger (double DIN) radio unit and put in a touchscreen that is much more intuitive than the Clarion, which was my main purpose. That and the Clarion just failed to look very nice compared to the rest of the interior.

I am not an Electrical Engineer, but it isn't that hard if one reads all the instructions and information about the process.

Also took up leather working and dog breeding as COVID projects and this one was on the easy side.
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Old 02-18-2021, 12:23 PM   #17
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Nice setup Al,

Which speakers and subwoofer did you use?
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Old 02-18-2021, 04:00 PM   #18
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That really looks good, nice job. The Clarion (which we feel is useless) is one of those 'I'll get to it later' projects for now, but your work is inspiring.
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