Free 7 Day Trial RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Free 7 Day Trial ×
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 02-17-2013, 07:16 PM   #1
Rivet Master
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
2005 30' Land Yacht 30 SL
Oakland County , Michigan
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 506
Self-Install M&G Toad Braking System?

Has anyone self-installed installed the M&G Engineering Car Braking System?

I have a gas MH with hydraulic brakes, so I would need to install both the "air cylinder" in my Wrangler and the "Power Pack" in the back of the MH.

I'm not too worried about the power pack, but the air cylinder in the Jeep, with all of the adjustments could cause some frustration.

I am very mechanically inclined and think I could do it myself.
__________________
Bob & Nancy
2005 ASLYG 30 SO
2009 Wrangler Toad
Michigan
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 08:03 PM   #2
Rivet Master
 
gloran's Avatar
 
1993 33' Land Yacht
Midland , Michigan
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 508
No I haven't, but would be interested in how you make out and the advantages of this system.
__________________
gloran - 1993 LY MH 33' - Banks System, Steer Safe, IPD front stabilizer, Super Steer - Bell Cranks, Motion Control, Coil

https://s1290.photobucket.com/user/gl...58808196506793
gloran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-17-2013, 08:32 PM   #3
Rivet Master
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
2005 30' Land Yacht 30 SL
Oakland County , Michigan
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 506
There's a place nearby that will install it but he wants over $600 for labor PLUS an additional $640 for the brake system PLUS an additional $195 for a breakaway system which I don't even want or need.

That comes to $1435 MORE than if I bought the unit myself straight from the factory.

I think I'll bite the bullet and install it myself.
__________________
Bob & Nancy
2005 ASLYG 30 SO
2009 Wrangler Toad
Michigan
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2013, 07:31 PM   #4
2 Rivet Member
 
jrkeef's Avatar
 
1994 30' Excella
1955 22' Flying Cloud
2000 31' Land Yacht
Lafayette , Louisiana
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 84
Good luck with the install Bob, I am anxious to know how it goes. I have an appointment to have my base plates installed on my toad and figured I would discuss braking with the installer then.
jrkeef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2013, 08:44 PM   #5
Rivet Master
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
2005 30' Land Yacht 30 SL
Oakland County , Michigan
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 506
M & G Install

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrkeef View Post
Good luck with the install Bob, I am anxious to know how it goes. I have an appointment to have my base plates installed on my toad and figured I would discuss braking with the installer then.
Thanks for the encouragement. I plan to order the system tomorrow after I have another conversation with Monty at M&G.

BTW, I did install the baseplate on our Wrangler by myself. Had to drill a couple of holes in the frame and cut some of the plastic rock guard to fit around it. I enjoyed doing it and it turned out great!

Will keep you posted.
__________________
Bob & Nancy
2005 ASLYG 30 SO
2009 Wrangler Toad
Michigan
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 11:17 AM   #6
2 Rivet Member
 
jrkeef's Avatar
 
1994 30' Excella
1955 22' Flying Cloud
2000 31' Land Yacht
Lafayette , Louisiana
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 84
I am curious how different the Blue Ox Base Plates are from car to car. Once I have the base plates put on my current toad I guess you have to buy new ones if you change toads?
jrkeef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-19-2013, 12:07 PM   #7
Figment of My Imagination
 
Protagonist's Avatar
 
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over , More Than Anywhere Else
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,868
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
PLUS an additional $195 for a breakaway system which I don't even want or need.
Check the laws for the state in which the toad is registered. You need to check the weight of the toad vs. the weight of the trailer that would require brakes. In Louisiana, where I live, trailers over 3000 pounds require brakes. Therefore, toads with a GVWR over 3000 pounds require supplemental brakes. Likewise, if a trailer requires a breakaway system, a toad with supplemental brakes requires a breakaway system, too.

I just went through this on my toad, which has a curb veight of 2600 pounds, but a GVWR or 3400 pounds and so needs a supplemental brake system. Because it has a supplemental brake system, it needs a breakaway switch, too.

Seems silly to have the breakaway switch; in order for the toad to break away, I would need to lose the towbar and two safety chains before the breakaway switch would even activate, so it's one step beyond triple redundancy. But that's the law, so what can I do?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jrkeef View Post
I am curious how different the Blue Ox Base Plates are from car to car. Once I have the base plates put on my current toad I guess you have to buy new ones if you change toads?
Blue Ox and Roadmaster baseplates are model-specific. Anything installed BEHIND the front bumper has to be bought anew for any new toad. Anything mounted IN FRONT OF the bumper should be interchangeable from vehicle to vehicle.
__________________
I thought getting old would take longer!
Protagonist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2013, 01:02 PM   #8
2 Rivet Member
 
jrkeef's Avatar
 
1994 30' Excella
1955 22' Flying Cloud
2000 31' Land Yacht
Lafayette , Louisiana
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 84
Marilyn and I dropped our LY at Premiere RV in Scott, LA this AM. They will repair/replace my hydraulic levelers this trip and order my Blue Ox Base Plates and a braking system for my toad. Phase II will be the Banks System install.
jrkeef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2013, 05:55 PM   #9
Rivet Master
 
DaveFL's Avatar
 
2000 31' Land Yacht
Central , Florida
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,489
Images: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by jrkeef View Post
Marilyn and I dropped our LY at Premiere RV in Scott, LA this AM. They will repair/replace my hydraulic levelers this trip and order my Blue Ox Base Plates and a braking system for my toad. Phase II will be the Banks System install.
Since you mentioned your hydraulic levelers but not the cost of repair or replacement, probably same price for labor as either a repair or replacement means they have to come off the MH, would you mind giving the quoted prices and the final outcome. thanks.
DaveFL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-26-2013, 09:31 PM   #10
Rivet Master
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
2005 30' Land Yacht 30 SL
Oakland County , Michigan
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 506
My M&G brake controller arrived a couple of days ago. I'm studying the install instructions and plan to do it myself. Will,keep you posted.
__________________
Bob & Nancy
2005 ASLYG 30 SO
2009 Wrangler Toad
Michigan
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-27-2013, 07:38 PM   #11
2 Rivet Member
 
jrkeef's Avatar
 
1994 30' Excella
1955 22' Flying Cloud
2000 31' Land Yacht
Lafayette , Louisiana
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 84
I will let you know Dave. The shop is really back up and running behind. Fortunately I don't need it back until March 8th. My levelers work fine they just make noise going up and down. Hopefully it is fluid and grease.
jrkeef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2013, 10:46 PM   #12
Rivet Master
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
2005 30' Land Yacht 30 SL
Oakland County , Michigan
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 506
M&G Install

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
Thanks for the encouragement. I plan to order the system tomorrow after I have another conversation with Monty at M&G.
Will keep you posted.
Let's get this thread back on track.

Today, I installed the toad portion of the M&G braking system with the help of my son who photographed it step by step. He went back to school this evening and will email me the photos later, which I will post soon.

It took a while, but went smoothly.

Overall, I am quite impressed with the engineering.

Stay tuned.
__________________
Bob & Nancy
2005 ASLYG 30 SO
2009 Wrangler Toad
Michigan
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2013, 08:33 AM   #13
Ready to go campin?
 
wvabeer's Avatar
 
1992 33' Land Yacht
Evans , West Virginia
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 349
Images: 49
How does it apply the brakes at breakaway?
__________________
92 Landyacht 33, 454 tag axle
wvabeer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2013, 11:29 AM   #14
Rivet Master
 
Michigander's Avatar
 
2005 30' Land Yacht 30 SL
Oakland County , Michigan
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 506
M&G Breakaway

Quote:
Originally Posted by wvabeer View Post
How does it apply the brakes at breakaway?
There is a separate breakaway kit option that M&G sells that needs to be installed if you choose to buy it.

It is comprised of a separate compressoir and air tank that gets installed under the hood of the toad that sends air to the M&G cylinder that I installed yesterday (in the case of a breakaway). I chose not to purchase it.

Thus far, we have towed our Wrangler over 20,000 miles with no toad brake and no breakaway, so I figure why go to the added installation hassle and expense.
__________________
Bob & Nancy
2005 ASLYG 30 SO
2009 Wrangler Toad
Michigan
Michigander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2013, 11:47 AM   #15
Figment of My Imagination
 
Protagonist's Avatar
 
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over , More Than Anywhere Else
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,868
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michigander View Post
Thus far, we have towed our Wrangler over 20,000 miles with no toad brake and no breakaway, so I figure why go to the added installation hassle and expense.
Maybe because you want to be legal? I'm not going to repeat what I said in post #7, this thread, but it still applies.
__________________
I thought getting old would take longer!
Protagonist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2013, 06:42 PM   #16
Rivet Master
 
DaveFL's Avatar
 
2000 31' Land Yacht
Central , Florida
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,489
Images: 15
I was wondering why members of this group were so apprehensive about being overweight, not tons but pounds, but while talking to a long term RVer he said a number of years ago RVers had a wakeup call when the insurance industry picked up all the pieces of wrecks and weighed, over the limits they cancelled their coverage. Same would apply to brakes, only it would also be the police, out of pocket and in deep $..t with the courts, just to save a few bucks.
DaveFL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2013, 08:41 PM   #17
2 Rivet Member
 
jrkeef's Avatar
 
1994 30' Excella
1955 22' Flying Cloud
2000 31' Land Yacht
Lafayette , Louisiana
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 84
Bob sounds like your self install was a success and money saver. I wound up buying the SMI Stay-in-Play Duo Proportional Towed Car Breaking System with break-away activation. The unit was $1100 and they charged $129 to install it. Works great (it should considering what it cost). I also had them install the Blue Ox base plates and wiring system on my 2008 Taurus X. That works great too.
jrkeef is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (0 members and 2 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.