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Old 09-02-2021, 07:06 AM   #1
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I removed the dash yesterday and found that the center seal has been leaking for years. The metal under the windshields is rusted through in several places and the surface rust extends out from the bottom of the seal 4 inches inside and all the way across the base of the windshield. Does any one have any pictures of what the metal lip is supposed to look like. The metal plate looks to be pop riveted to the vertical inner dash. I need to replace the glass any way but I want to get an idea of how part is shaped under the seal before I start cutting away the old seal. Pics of one of these with the glass out would be great. Thank you.

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PS. Any idea where to get the replacement glass and seal?
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Old 09-02-2021, 02:00 PM   #2
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PS. Any idea where to get the replacement glass and seal?
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Old 09-05-2021, 02:11 PM   #3
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So there are no pics of classic AS with the windshield out?
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Old 09-05-2021, 06:19 PM   #4
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So there are no pics of classic AS with the windshield out?
Is this what you're looking for?

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Old 09-07-2021, 07:58 AM   #5
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Thanks blahler! That is very close to what I need. So sorry to see that you had such a damaging incident. Can you tell me what spans the distance from left to right under the windshields? I notice that the seal is still in place. What did it sit on? I see from your pics that the under dash panels have been removed back to where they rivet into the inner body panel. Mine is rusted out and needs to be replaced. Do you have close up pics of the inner and under panels? Was there an aluminum cross brace from left to right? I hope that everyone was ok. Thank you again.
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Old 09-07-2021, 08:46 AM   #6
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I bought the wrecked 345 from someone who found it on a property they bought in Oklahoma. I don't know who wrecked it or how they wrecked it and neither did the new property owners.

I'll look through my photos to see if I have any details of the firewall area.
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Do you not get the appropriate detail from the drawings in manuals? These are the 1977 shell and firewall drawings.

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Thank you Martin. That is helpful. What manual is that in.I would like to see it with better resolution. Is that a manual that can be purchased?
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When the Argosy was first launched (1974) there was no manual, 1975/76 Airstream published an Owners Manual, then from 1977 onwards there was an Owners Manual and a Service Manual. Those drawings are from 1977 Service manual but you should be able to get a Service Manual for your 1983 that will show for your model year. Many are available to download direct from Airstream, others you have to hunt around the internet for but all are out there.
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Old 09-28-2021, 11:32 PM   #10
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So I have found another road block. After talking to windshield companies and installers no one wants to work on the project with both windshields out at the same time. They say that the opening will not stay the same shape and there is a possibility that the windshields won’t go back into the opening. Both have to be out at the same time to remove the panel underneath so I am at an impasse. Has anyone had to pull both windshields like this. Did you have any problem replacing the glass? Thanks in advance.
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Old 09-29-2021, 04:32 AM   #11
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I believe your installers are blowing smoke. I think it's quite common for both windshields to be removed at the same time if for no other reason than its the only way you're going to be able to replace the rubber gasket. The rubber gasket is a one piece affair.
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Old 09-29-2021, 05:47 AM   #12
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If I remember correctly Coach Glass supply to a sister company (I think it was called RVGlassExperts, https://rvglassexperts.com/ )who had installers based around the country, including and main depot in Florida
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I had new windshields installed this year. No issues at all. I was fortunate to have a shop nearby that has done a lot of motorhome windshields. You need to find another shop.
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Thanks to all who have supplied insight and experience to these questions. I decided to remove part of the seal and see what was under it. The panel I need to replace is an integral part of the windshield system. It has a formed lip that fits into the seal. So the problem is can I find that original part. It is going to be a real hard thing to find. What would be the best possible source for such a thing?
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Old 10-05-2021, 10:15 PM   #15
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Martin, last year I ordered a manual. I was very specific on the coverage of model and years. But of course whoever sent it just assumed I had a trailer. It cost 60 bucks and I thought that that was all they had. Apparently they only have digital copies and print them as needed. So sort of gave up on getting the one I need. Could you send me a higher resolution picture of the first line drawing? I can’t quite make out the part number or text. I think that the piece I need is in that list. Also do you have a part number for the manual and where it came from? That might help me locate another one. Thank you.
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Martin, last year I ordered a manual. I was very specific on the coverage of model and years. But of course whoever sent it just assumed I had a trailer. It cost 60 bucks and I thought that that was all they had. Apparently they only have digital copies and print them as needed. So sort of gave up on getting the one I need. Could you send me a higher resolution picture of the first line drawing? I canít quite make out the part number or text. I think that the piece I need is in that list. Also do you have a part number for the manual and where it came from? That might help me locate another one. Thank you.
Here is a link to the service manual for the 1977-78 Argosy and the images where just 'snip' from that pdf, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B91...WrWb53bFEaZ7nQ. I don't have a high res copy of the images, but if you download the manual you will be able to zoom in.

Links for just about all the owners and service manuals have been posted on the forum in the past, tt is well worth searching the forum for those links. But if you do search you will find many references to them being available (obviously at a cost) from Airstream themselves.
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Well crap. This is disappointing…… l spoke to a shop that specializes in airstream repairs/restoration/modification. I was hoping that he had an old carcass lying around. No luck there. He said that there were no braker yards with these things in them. He added that ALL inventory from the pre Thor days had either been sold or sent to the scrap yard. He said that there were stories of dumpsters of parts being sent to the scrap yards. So most of the original panels are out of stock and none of the companies (including airstream) are not willing to help or even talk to you about them. So it’s all private fabrication from here on out. Well I knew there was a lot of that in my future anyway. So I guess it’s break out the saw and go to town! It’s sort of odd. I can go to an aftermarket co and get every piece of an old car. I can build a complete 1940 Ford or 1963 triumph spitfire.
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So I have found another road block. After talking to windshield companies and installers no one wants to work on the project with both windshields out at the same time. They say that the opening will not stay the same shape and there is a possibility that the windshields wonít go back into the opening. Both have to be out at the same time to remove the panel underneath so I am at an impasse. Has anyone had to pull both windshields like this. Did you have any problem replacing the glass? Thanks in advance.
I just went back through this thread and I guess the sentence in red above really hit me. Those statements were obviously made by someone who doesn't have a clue about these Airstream/Argosy motorhomes. I would give vendors like that a WIDE berth.
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Well crap. This is disappointingÖÖ l spoke to a shop that specializes in airstream repairs/restoration/modification. I was hoping that he had an old carcass lying around. No luck there. He said that there were no braker yards with these things in them. He added that ALL inventory from the pre Thor days had either been sold or sent to the scrap yard. He said that there were stories of dumpsters of parts being sent to the scrap yards. So most of the original panels are out of stock and none of the companies (including airstream) are not willing to help or even talk to you about them. So itís all private fabrication from here on out. Well I knew there was a lot of that in my future anyway. So I guess itís break out the saw and go to town! Itís sort of odd. I can go to an aftermarket co and get every piece of an old car. I can build a complete 1940 Ford or 1963 triumph spitfire.
Your best path forward is to remove the windshields yourself and tackle the fabrication/repair work. Once that's done then you can worry about the next step which is getting the windshields re-installed. Whether that means driving the rig with no windshields to a local installer or find someone that you can hire to come to your place to install the glass. The first option wouldn't be pleasant but could be doable or you possibly have it loaded backwards onto a trailer and have it transported to a glass installer. I've transported a 345 facing rearwards 1000 miles without windshields and had no issues.

It might help if you could post some pictures of what you've been describing to give us a better feel for what you're dealing with.

No matter what you're going to need a new windshield gasket so I would make certain you either have a good one on hand or have certain knowledge that one will be available when needed.
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Blahaler.,
You are correct. The people who donít wish to help will give some reason it cant be done. I think I have a willing installer. If I can put the piece in place. I have been thinking about my skill set. I think I will have to pull the piece out and copy it as best I can. So at least I have a clear path forward.
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