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Old 08-13-2018, 08:40 AM   #1
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Useful Speed Trap Info

The National Motorists Association www.motorists.org offers The National Speed Trap Exchange: https://www.speedtrap.org. These are user submitted, but I've found they are beneficial. 2 weeks ago, we were attending grand-daughters' basketball event in Suwanee, GA. in less than 36 hours, we encountered 3 incidences of revenue enhancement opportunities which were listed and avoided contributing to the revenue stream.

In addition, they are very proactive re: red light cameras (IMHO,principally a revenue generator for the governing body as they provide no reduction in accidents) & speed cameras as well as other driver-related topics.

If you aren't using the WAZE app, it is very useful in helping avoid traffic tie-ups and may offer info re: police presence as well as potential hazards on your chosen route.
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Old 08-13-2018, 09:14 AM   #2
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The poster boy for speed traps used to be Waldo, Florida. There was even a billboard just outside town put up by AAA warning drivers.
Hwy. 301 is a divided four lane, and the speed limit was 65. It then went 65, 55, 45, 55, Boom, 35. That's where the cops sat.
However, I think the city finally got tired of their national reputation for corruption and it's better. I still drive at or below the limit anywhere near there or Starke.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:24 PM   #3
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I used to work out of Denver International Airport. Worst revenue enhancement program in Colorado.

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My recommendation is slow down and enjoy the ride. Less stress
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Old 08-13-2018, 07:03 PM   #5
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yeah, I've never been pulled over in my Jeep TJ. Straight six, three speed auto. 50 feels like 80 mph. LOL ( I don't drive it on the interstate)
Here is a tip. Interstate 77 Carroll county, Virginia. Just over the border from NC. The town of Hillsville has about 400 yards of interstate 77 and a exit on the edge of their town limits. Speed limit is 65, and you better be close to it or below. Northbound is a slight downgrade and a gentle turn to the right. The 'revenuers' will be low in the median behind the grass, as you round the turn, running radar,, waiting. They will be waiting with either their Dodge Charger ( black), SST Silverado High performance truck, ( Black), the high performance Chevrolet Tahoe (black) Ford Explorer (guess the color). subdued star on the car door


They like the 'Northbound' the best, but will pick a lone antelope or grasshopper running southbound, not in the pack.

There, saved you a $100 bucks, easy.
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Old 08-13-2018, 07:46 PM   #6
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Stay away from Montgomery Co. Maryland, traffic camera capital of USA. Always have a fellow speeder .75 miles in front of you when speeding. You need a rabbit to draw out the wolf.
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Old 08-14-2018, 01:29 AM   #7
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I agree but there are some areas in this country that seem to put a higher emphasis on revenue than traffic safety. Talk to any DOT Engineer about the effect a few tenths of a second difference of the length of a Yellow light can have on compliance.

It seems that some local governments are funded primarily by traffic fines and that is a poor business model IMHO.
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Hannibal Missouri is the only city in Missouri with red light cameras. Very short yellow light.. it’s a costly gotcha, which includes points against your drivers license. Or, you can spend an additional $300 and have a lawyer reduce it to a non moving (no points) violation. It’s all about $$.
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Old 08-14-2018, 04:59 AM   #9
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Bristol, Virginia along I-81 has very efficient traffic cameras.

Since getting the Airstream, I kind of enjoy driving the speed limit, and wave to the nice officers wherever I am.
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Old 08-14-2018, 05:08 AM   #10
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I agree but there are some areas in this country that seem to put a higher emphasis on revenue than traffic safety. Talk to any DOT Engineer about the effect a few tenths of a second difference of the length of a Yellow light can have on compliance.

It seems that some local governments are funded primarily by traffic fines and that is a poor business model IMHO.
Those same officers respond and scrape up the aftermath of idiot drivers. My hatís off to them. Weíre pushing 1000 fatalities in a Michigan and the year is only half over. People blow through lights after cars have gone through on the green so itís not about timing the yellow.

We have unmarked and semi marked cars locally looking for distracted driving and aggressive driving, as well as speeding and traffic signal violations. Thereís no excuse for the fatalities I see on 35mph local roads. No, itís not all about revenue.
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Old 08-14-2018, 09:57 AM   #11
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Those same officers respond and scrape up the aftermath of idiot drivers. My hatís off to them. Weíre pushing 1000 fatalities in a Michigan and the year is only half over. People blow through lights after cars have gone through on the green so itís not about timing the yellow.

We have unmarked and semi marked cars locally looking for distracted driving and aggressive driving, as well as speeding and traffic signal violations. Thereís no excuse for the fatalities I see on 35mph local roads. No, itís not all about revenue.
Fully agree.

We have a provincial program underway to expand the use of red light cameras, based on frequent crash locations. I'm all for it. The revenue doesn't go to the local municipality.
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Old 08-14-2018, 10:22 AM   #12
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The National Motorists Association www.motorists.org offers The National Speed Trap Exchange: https://www.speedtrap.org. These are user submitted, but I've found they are beneficial. 2 weeks ago, we were attending grand-daughters' basketball event in Suwanee, GA. in less than 36 hours, we encountered 3 incidences of revenue enhancement opportunities which were listed and avoided contributing to the revenue stream.

In addition, they are very proactive re: red light cameras (IMHO,principally a revenue generator for the governing body as they provide no reduction in accidents) & speed cameras as well as other driver-related topics.

If you aren't using the WAZE app, it is very useful in helping avoid traffic tie-ups and may offer info re: police presence as well as potential hazards on your chosen route.
I live in the Pensacola area and lived in Gulf Breeze for 15 years. GB is a peninsula in-between the City of Pensacola and the Pensacola Beach that many like to visit and some camp at Fort Pickens. GB is a very small town and heavily relies on radar and for several years Photo ticketing at the three major traffic lights in the town or the town of Proper. Ironically the only light that does not have a camera is the entrance to the elementary school which clearly indicates the city cares little about the youngsters and more about raising revenues at the three major intersections. They are not ashamed of their position to and for the most part, this is the extent of their business. They will get you if you fly over the 3-mile bridge and hit their 35 MPH streets or coming back from the beach down a steep grade of the Bob Sikes bridge looking at the pretty sea and not your speedometer and go over 35MPH. And to be fair Pensacola police watch the beach side of the Bob Sikes bridge where after sitting for long lengths of time to pay the toll you may find yourself bolting out and the speed limit of 30 MPH and not hard to go over. There will be a sheriff sitting right there to give you just enough time to speed up before hitting the only traffic light on the beach. Beware is all I can say. I see people pulled over every day without exception and no matter the time of year.
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Old 08-14-2018, 11:09 AM   #13
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I find this subject quite amusing. Especially from Airstream owners. You’re constantly professing that it’s not about the destinations it’s about the beautiful journey.
Speed most certainly does KILL .My prayer and hope for all of you is a safe journey, building new relationships & living the Airstream dream of adventure.
Please leave speeding to those who do it professionally and those doing it this week at the Bonneville salt Flats in Utah third day of speed trials. Where they have had land speed records this week of over 450 mph. Let’s all watch that and make it home each day.
Enjoy the journey! Live the dream! And let kindness rule!
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Old 08-14-2018, 11:45 AM   #14
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I don't think this thread is about speeding. It's more about speed traps and warnings about areas that are set up to make you fail if you are not meticulous about slowing to the posted speed by the time you reach the sign. Were talking about 5 or 6 thousand pounds of trailer pushing you down a 6% grade into some little hamlet at the bottom of the hill that wants to diligently enforce a 25mph speed limit. Cuba, NM is renown for doing this.



Also, many cities partnered with third party companies that would install red light cams, shorten the yellow, and issue fines to any perpetrator that happened to be in the intersection when the light changed red. These companies collected the fines and then shared the funds with the city. Many were challenged in court and have been removed, but not before fleecing thousands of dollars from motorist attempting to make a left turn at a busy intersection. It was not about safety, but more about entrapment.
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Yup. The California courts have refused to enforce third-party speed trap cameras and red light cameras. Its a revenue game, does not improve safety at all...

The cameras are gone in my neighborhood--city discovered the third-party monthly fees outpaced the revenue, especially when people started ignoring the 'violation notices' that were NOT real tickets--just entrapment attempts. Most irritating part is that the shortened yellow light durations have not been corrected, either.
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I don't think this thread is about speeding. It's more about speed traps and warnings about areas that are set up to make you fail if you are not meticulous about slowing to the posted speed by the time you reach the sign.
Fair enough. Then the discussion should perhaps be about laws designed to entrap people, and not about red light cameras (which often aren't set to measure speed, but can be).

The tool itself (red light camera) isn't bad. The use of it may be, particularly if amber light intervals are shortened, and there is no advance warning of a posted speed reduction. These are separate issues. Better to focus on the behaviour, and the implementation, and not broad brush a useful tool as something it isn't, IMO.
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Oh my goodness! It's hardly a trap when they post a sign.

Speeding cars and traffic enforcement is the most common across the board demographic complaint in municipalities.

We want traffic laws enforced but don't want to be at the other end of it.

"It's more about speed traps and warnings about areas that are set up to make you fail" (sorry mojo used part of your quote) Really, how does one get set up to fail. This almost sounds like we're parents talking about all kids getting trophy's.

Come on people. The speed is posted!

We choose to ignore it. We don't see it. We know it's not a heavily enforced area. We've never seen enforcement here before. We were only trying to pass another vehicle. We're running a couple of minutes late. We never speed.

I DO like the idea of a thread where we inform other people of particular traffic scenarios. Bad grades, windy roads, steep drop offs, cameras, red light intersections, School Bus pick-up areas, school zones etc.
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New Jersey installed red light cameras some years back. The justification for the funding for this was an effort to reduce collisions at selected red light intersections. I had an in with one nearby town and was able to get the inside scoop on the one camera they had installed. The frequency of red light violations was not especially high BUT the right turn on red violations was the real money maker. In the end the NJ supreme court here found that there was no significant reduction of collisions at the camera intersections and since that was the point of the camera enforcement they have all been removed. So that's the story here in NJ.
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IIRC, California has a law that speed limits can't change more than a certain percentage over some reasonable distance.

A "speed trap" would be defined as a LARGE change in speed limit over a very short distance. Many municipalities in places like Florida, Alabama, and Georgia that I'm familiar with pull that stunt. A great reduction in speed limit over a VERY short distance. There are plenty of examples given.

One I saw in Louisiana was a change from a 55 MPH limit down to 15 MPH right when you crossed the town boundary. It was more than a little difficult to get slowed down if you were not familiar with the trap location!

And, every day, there was a local cop parked on the other end of the town (100 yards or so from the speed limit sign), running his radar while reading comic books (yes, I saw this), then writing nice expensive tickets when the alarm on the radar woke him up. Even the locals, including the one that kindly warned me of the scam, went through that town at 10 miles per hour or less when the (one) town cop was on duty.

The supposed justification was to not run over the guys crossing the road to get from the boats sitting tied up at the side of the road in the bayou over to the row of bars and restaurants on the other side and back. Yeah, maybe.
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There are no Speed Traps for ATV's, Motorcycles or someone towing an Airstream in the Manti-La Sal Mountains of Utah.

No speed limit signs, anywhere, to be found. Barely any road signs to designate where you may be on a map.

My average speed varied from 0 to 20mph. Why be in a hurry? You might get there, eventually.

Ditch Enforcement costs nothing.

I suppose, enforcement is left to the trees, and narrow roads, unpaved for 45 miles. Well... much like some of the Interstate Highway west of Flagstaff, Arizona last year, but without a passing lane.
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