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Old 01-19-2020, 04:52 PM   #761
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The only experience I had removing these panels was in the Argosy, and it was a pain in the a$$ job to do, as the rear of the panel was tucked in behind the side sheet aluminum, and the front, tucked tight beside the dash. IIRC I removed rivets at the back and had to tilt the panel up towards the window to get it out.

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Old 01-20-2020, 07:23 PM   #762
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These are the symptoms (supposedly with a 480le trans):
1. In park the wheels are not locked
2. The rear view camera is on in R and P
3. Auto leveling systems light "Brake/park" is red (not ready) with the emergency brake engaged and the shift lever in park
First quick glance at linkage appears to be ok.

Any thoughts what to look for?
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Old 01-21-2020, 01:17 PM   #763
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These are the symptoms (supposedly with a 480le trans):
1. In park the wheels are not locked
2. The rear view camera is on in R and P
3. Auto leveling systems light "Brake/park" is red (not ready) with the emergency brake engaged and the shift lever in park
First quick glance at linkage appears to be ok.

Any thoughts what to look for?
First question that comes to mind is whether or not your 4L80e has the parking pawls installed. Above a certain GVWR parking pawls are not included in the transmission due to the excessive weight that would place on the pawls. I believe in this case there would be an external parking brake of some kind.

My particular 4L80e came from a 14,000 lb vehicle and it had the parking pawls.

The other symptoms you describe are probably related to a switch that is tied in with the neutral/park position selector on the side of the transmission.
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Old 01-21-2020, 05:06 PM   #764
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First question that comes to mind is whether or not your 4L80e has the parking pawls installed. Above a certain GVWR parking pawls are not included in the transmission due to the excessive weight that would place on the pawls. I believe in this case there would be an external parking brake of some kind.

My particular 4L80e came from a 14,000 lb vehicle and it had the parking pawls.

The other symptoms you describe are probably related to a switch that is tied in with the neutral/park position selector on the side of the transmission.

This may take care of the first question. But there sure isn't some special external parking brake, other than the drum behind the trans
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Old 01-22-2020, 04:54 PM   #765
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This may take care of the first question. But there sure isn't some special external parking brake, other than the drum behind the trans
That drum is your parking brake. It's all you have to keep from rolling down a hill when you're in Park. To me that sign kinda points to no parking pawls.
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Old 01-22-2020, 05:20 PM   #766
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Of note.......

I fixed the emergency brake in a real hurry after spending 2 1/2 hours with my foot on the brake holding my rig on a 30% grade. The parking pawls don't hold doo-doo.

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Old 01-25-2020, 10:21 AM   #767
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found three transfer switches. Could the third one be for the onboard inverter only powering some of the outlets?

Finally figured out what the third transfer switch does. It is indeed for the Inverter. Generator is boss, then 30 amp shore power and then the inverter.
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Old 01-25-2020, 08:57 PM   #768
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all but headlights LED's
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Looking good Peter glad you finally got a coach good luck k with it.
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Old 01-25-2020, 09:06 PM   #770
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Still room for you and your coach anytime you decide to stop by. Just bring enough cash, so we can blow it at the parts store
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Old 01-26-2020, 11:42 AM   #771
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One would think that 20+ years of building Classics, they could have done better on the window frames
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Oh, see the problem there is you are using a straight edge to check if something is straight, rather than the Airstream technique of looking down the edge of your thumb.

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Well within AS building code tolerances, if you ask me.
Nothing wrong here, moving along.

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Old 01-26-2020, 03:50 PM   #774
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Oh, see the problem there is you are using a straight edge to check if something is straight, rather than the Airstream technique of looking down the edge of your thumb.


Works "well enough" most of time, unless you have a straight piece of glass trying to make a seal. This window will not close in the center and I dont think it ever did. Funny thing, Martin, is that I put in one of the news fuzzy window seals, which didn't work on Peanut. Started to doubt my sanity when I was unable to completely close the window until I investigated...
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I'm really glad Brad spent the time to work out the broad classifications of the window types/types of fuzzy....trouble is the Airstream factor then gets applied and even if a new type fuzzy should work, they then use a 'persuader' to make stuff fit and everything goes out the window. I have never come across a company that make stuff fit a hole rather than make the hole correct in the first place!
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Of all the things on the these Classic and Argosy motorhomes, the windows are the most baffling. It's painfully obvious each window is hand crafted. Not that the workers did anything wrong, it's probably more about the jigs that were used. If the jig is off slightly then the windows will be off slightly. All it takes is a few intolerance's to make the window almost non usable, especially as it ages and wears.

I think the passenger cockpit window is probably the worst that I've found so far. It seems that none of them work smoothly. Granted my Argosy is one of the first so it probably shouldn't be too surprising that mine had a lot of tweaks and bends to the window frame to get it to semi-work. However Peanut's window exhibited the same issues as does the 75 25' Argosy parked beside my shop. On my Argosy and Peanut the curve of the glass on the slider pane of the cockpit window does NOT match the curve of the window frame and I think the frame does not match very well with the curve of the shell. Mix those three things together and you get a window that doesn't open and close well at all.

Someday I hope to spend some quality time with my cockpit window to see if I can find a workable resolution. Until then, the window stays closed!

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.....which reminds me I need to catch up with Keith Fossey and find out how he is doing with his cockpit windows swap.

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Of all the things on the these Classic and Argosy motorhomes, the windows are the most baffling. It's painfully obvious each window is hand crafted. Not that the workers did anything wrong, it's probably more about the jigs that were used. If the jig is off slightly then the windows will be off slightly. All it takes is a few intolerance's to make the window almost non usable, especially as it ages and wears.

I think the passenger cockpit window is probably the worst that I've found so far. It seems that none of them work smoothly. Granted my Argosy is one of the first so it probably shouldn't be too surprising that mine had a lot of tweaks and bends to the window frame to get it to semi-work. However Peanut's window exhibited the same issues as does the 75 25' Argosy parked beside my shop. On my Argosy and Peanut the curve of the glass on the slider pane of the cockpit window does NOT match the curve of the window frame and I think the frame does not match very well with the curve of the shell. Mix those three things together and you get a window that doesn't open and close well at all.

Someday I hope to spend some quality time with my cockpit window to see if I can find a workable resolution. Until then, the window stays closed!

Brad
Considering that these are the 4th cockpit windows, I am resealing, I started to think that you put a major curse on those fuzzy seals
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Considering that these are the 4th cockpit windows, I am resealing, I started to think that you put a major curse on those fuzzy seals
No curse, just lots of cursing.....
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I am finished with my resto, done! Well, at least with the rear storage compartment In the mean time, I decided to replace the subfloor in the front due water damage. Wet OSB makes a nice solid floor until it dries out. Then it turns into dust.
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