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Old 08-24-2017, 06:50 AM   #61
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When I did all the windows on the 325LE, I broke one or two of the screws....my best results after "practicing" was to use a dremel with a pencil pointed tip to remove the broken screw. I then found out by using an impact driver that would break the screws loose first, I replaced all the screws with #4 x 5/8" stainless screws and will repeat the process with the 370LE over this coming winter. Regards, Bob
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Old 08-25-2017, 11:57 AM   #62
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Whew! I manged to get all the little screws out without breaking any; it took me all day working at it and I had to leave four of the hardest until this morning.....patience is the thing with these, especially as the heads on my were rusted to a point that the Phillips cut out was also no more.

However obviously someone had mucked around with two of my front passenger windows before as there are six of these socket headed screws in the framework. They are stainless steel.

Yes, they are an 1/8th" longer with the cutter portion of the screw but I could grind that off. Very easy to get in and out.

Should I replace screws with these?

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Old 08-25-2017, 12:12 PM   #63
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Whew! I manged to get all the little screws out without breaking any; it took me all day working at it and I had to leave four of the hardest until this morning.....patience is the thing with these, especially as the heads on my were rusted to a point that the Phillips cut out was also no more.

However obviously someone had mucked around with two of my front passenger windows before as there are six of these socket headed screws in the framework. They are stainless steel.

Yes, they are an 1/8th" longer with the cutter portion of the screw but I could grind that off. Very easy to get in and out.

Should I replace screws with these?

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I prefer using alu rivets, but stainless works too
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Since a PO had already replaced a number of screws with a N06 socket head machine screw and I noticed that some of the N04 OEM steel screws were a little loose going back in, I decided to replace all the screws with a N06 Robertson pan head stainless steel screw. This also allowed for a N06 screwdriver as opposed to a N04 driver which will have more bite. I did drill out some of the holes with a drill bit that matched the N06 screws but for the most part the drill bit went straight in, so the new screw bit in better and went in without a problem.

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Old 08-25-2017, 06:58 PM   #65
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Since a PO had already replaced a number of screws with a N06 socket head machine screw and I noticed that some of the N04 OEM steel screws were a little loose going back in, I decided to replace all the screws with a N06 Robertson pan head stainless steel screw. This also allowed for a N06 screwdriver as opposed to a N04 driver which will have more bite. I did drill out some of the holes with a drill bit that matched the N06 screws but for the most part the drill bit went straight in, so the new screw bit in better and went in without a problem.

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Sounds like a winner, as long as the screws thread length does not mess with the function of the sliding window. Those windows don't need any more restrictions.
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Old 08-25-2017, 07:02 PM   #66
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Sounds like a winner, as long as the screws thread length does not mess with the function of the sliding window. Those windows don't need any more restrictions.
Screw legth is the exact same as the OEM......just a N06 versus N04.

Thanks for your help Peter.

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Old 09-25-2018, 12:17 PM   #67
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Just an fyi, peters favorite link no longer works
Googling the AS1268 number, it comes up on a few other online stores
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Old 09-25-2018, 12:23 PM   #68
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Just an fyi, peters favorite link no longer works
Googling the AS1268 number, it comes up on a few other online stores
Yes, the track that Peter favors is available from a variety of other sources including Amazon.

Just so there is no misunderstanding, the newer AS1268 style of track does NOT work in the Argosy windows. After much trying and failing we found that on the Argosy style of window the older track is the only thing that works.

There are huge differences in the window design of the Classic compared to the Argosy. Bottom line is if you're working on Classic windows use the stuff that Peter recommends. If you're working on an Argosy use the original metal backed style.

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Old 04-13-2019, 07:30 PM   #69
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Window channel AS 1268

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I have been using this for many years:
AS1268 Flexible Flocked Lining All-Rubber | Hi-Tech Glazing Supplies
Its cheaper than the Schlegle material Airstream dealers sell and makes the windows operate much easier. Just don't forget to cut the drain holes.
The other vertical seals are available from Airstream dealers
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l would like to get some of this channel but this link to Hi-tech show no part. Is there another number they use now? I thought the cockpit windows needed the metal ones mostly for the support that the others don't have, but apparently not. I am putting together what all I need for my '78 28 and all the windows. I have Brad's parts list but I can't find your choice. Pointers welcome.
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l would like to get some of this channel but this link to Hi-tech show no part. Is there another number they use now? I thought the cockpit windows needed the metal ones mostly for the support that the others don't have, but apparently not. I am putting together what all I need for my '78 28 and all the windows. I have Brad's parts list but I can't find your choice. Pointers welcome.
Jay,

Actually the metal backed window Schlegel is the best choice for all of the Argosy windows. Last summer Ernie and I spent a frustrating few weeks trying to get the all rubber type track to work on a 77 Argosy with no luck.

Once we switched back to the original style metal Schlegel we were able to get the windows to function properly.

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Old 04-13-2019, 10:28 PM   #71
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Metal vs non-metal fuzzy channel

Brad,

Wow, you just saved me from some head banging, so thank you!
The second after I posted, I was taken to the end of the thread and I saw your comment that Peter's favorite won't work in an Argosy but I thought I you had also said you tried his and liked it in one of yours but you didn't like it and.....what the?? My eyeballs started bleeding about then, re-reading the whole thread ( I had only recently realized the thread doesn't end just cause the page does).

So on your list, should I use Inland's stuff for all the windows and what the heck is the difference in the lip seal and the Trim seal? Does the trim only go in the cockpit window, and the Lip seal goes around the coach windows? I saw some vendor pic of a seal on the slanted part of the cockpit window, no where else tho.

Obviously, if I can't even navigate the threads, I'm in dire straits on this one. I most certainly appreciate the help of all you wise men.
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Old 09-14-2020, 11:03 AM   #72
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the vertical is available here :
VERTICAL LIP SEAL GRAY #6010-12 MOTORHOME SLIDING WINDOW
the trim piece (most worthless piece) , it barely does anything but look pretty and it shrinks:
GRAY TRIM SEAL - #6032-20FS MOTORHOME SLIDING WINDOW
the fuzzy that goes between the 2 pieces of glass:
Fuzzy Seal for windows and doors 683946 [683946] - $1.59 : Out-of-Doors Mart!, More Airstream Parts on-line than anyone!

I think Inlandrv.com carries them all, as well. Just don't buy the Schlegle channel stuff.
Good luck and be careful with sliding window when you pull it out
I have a question about the fuzzy seal, the 683946 part# is a glue on seal and the factory seal goes in a groove in the aluminum, (like all the other seals). OODM is out of it anyway but wondering if anyone has a part# for the original stuff? Maybe I can find it somewhere.

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I have a question about the fuzzy seal, the 683946 part# is a glue on seal and the factory seal goes in a groove in the aluminum, (like all the other seals). OODM is out of it anyway but wondering if anyone has a part# for the original stuff? Maybe I can find it somewhere.

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Search for AS1268 . That is the right material, especially for the cockpit windows. Brad sent me some of the stuff he used (it didnt work for him in the Argosy) and it was a substitute for 1268 with different dimensions. I tried Brads in the cockpit windows and it locked them up tight.
AS1268 or AS1268-96
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Search for AS1268 . That is the right material, especially for the cockpit windows. Brad sent me some of the stuff he used (it didnt work for him in the Argosy) and it was a substitute for 1268 with different dimensions. I tried Brads in the cockpit windows and it locked them up tight.
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Does the stuff inland stocks not work for the cockpit windows on a classic?

https://inlandrv.com/product/fuzzy-schlegle-channel/

I knew the argosies had trouble with it but I thought I remembered reading it worked on classics. I could easily be remembering incorrectly.
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Does the stuff inland stocks not work for the cockpit windows on a classic?

https://inlandrv.com/product/fuzzy-schlegle-channel/

I knew the argosies had trouble with it but I thought I remembered reading it worked on classics. I could easily be remembering incorrectly.
Yes, the schlegle works, i just prefered to use the all rubber/felt type, because its cheaper and works better imho. Others may not agree. And again the rubber is AS1268, anything similar will not work and make your cockpit windows inoperable
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Search for AS1268 . That is the right material, especially for the cockpit windows. Brad sent me some of the stuff he used (it didnt work for him in the Argosy) and it was a substitute for 1268 with different dimensions. I tried Brads in the cockpit windows and it locked them up tight.
AS1268 or AS1268-96
AS1268 is the channel run seal, which I have a lot of, thanks to your advice previously. It looks like it will work great, once I clean all of the old glue and corrosion out from the nasty original stuff, which had a metal ribbing that rusted badly. Why couldn't it have been aluminum, in true Airstream fashion??

When I said, "fuzzy seal," I meant the fin seal that goes between the two pieces of glass. The stuff that AS dealers seem to be selling is a glue on type and the original had a soft/vinyl rib that went in a groove in the aluminum sash, like all of the other seals. The present type seems to be unavailable anyway, so it might be a moot point.

Thanks so much for your help so far, really appreciate it!
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Just an fyi, peters favorite link no longer works
Googling the AS1268 number, it comes up on a few other online stores
The best price I've found for AS-1268 is here: https://www.perfectfit.com/15594/156...ed-Lining.html

I found it important to include the hyphen between the letters and numbers in my search.

Just about exactly half the price of Amazon. And the dollars start adding up quickly when working on this rig.
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The best price I've found for AS-1268 is here: https://www.perfectfit.com/15594/156...ed-Lining.html

I found it important to include the hyphen between the letters and numbers in my search.

Just about exactly half the price of Amazon. And the dollars start adding up quickly when working on this rig.
Buyer beware. There are several products out there with the same AS1268 designation. Back when I was doing my Argosy I found that the AS1268 would not work so I reverted to the original style seal.

After discussion with Peter on this subject he found that the AS1268 that I bought had a different profile than the AS1268 that he was used to using. Hopefully Peter will chime in and clear things up.

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The best price I've found for AS-1268 is here: https://www.perfectfit.com/15594/156...ed-Lining.html

I found it important to include the hyphen between the letters and numbers in my search.

Just about exactly half the price of Amazon. And the dollars start adding up quickly when working on this rig.
That is about half of what I paid, let us know if they work!
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Buyer beware. There are several products out there with the same AS1268 designation. Back when I was doing my Argosy I found that the AS1268 would not work so I reverted to the original style seal.

After discussion with Peter on this subject he found that the AS1268 that I bought had a different profile than the AS1268 that he was used to using. Hopefully Peter will chime in and clear things up.

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