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Old 01-09-2017, 11:51 AM   #1
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Not antique enough!

Just received by annual vehicle registration notice from the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). I had been told that as my 350LE was a 1990 model year, it was obviously over 25 years old and would seem to qualify fro Texas "antique" registration. Apparently not unless it is classified as an auto, a truck, a motorcycle or a bus!
My argument that in effect, this was a truck (as in Chevrolet P30) went nowhere as the "motorhome" is registered as a "motorhome" and clearly is not a truck (some of us would suggest it really is a truck!)
Has any Texan motorhome owner been able to succeeded in registering their Airstream motorhome as an antique" vehicle? I've provided a PDFof the application form.
A bottle of Dom Perignon if someone can provide the "key"
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Old 01-09-2017, 12:22 PM   #2
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Why would you want to put the Antique plate on it? In Texas you have a restricted use clause. So yes, you skip emissions and get lower taxes, but now you place limitations on how you can use it.

Also Texas very clearly states how it handles motorhomes. 96 and newer or 95 and earlier. Wish I had a better answer for you, but I also faced this dilemma when I was in Texas and was going to put antique plates on a sports car I had at the time, but was using as a daily driver. Unlike your situation, the car was eligible, but if I opted to use it, I could no longer have it as a daily driver.
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Old 01-09-2017, 02:49 PM   #3
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I can't speak specifically for Texas but most states get a lot of $$ for weight fees for trucks. Motorhomes and trailers get a break on the weight fees. A collector, antique, historical, or similar plate on a truck usually prohibits carrying any load. Some states get hung up on the presence of living accommodations with collector plates. My state licensing lady issued a collector plate for my moho but said they were not permitted for recreational trailers.

It all comes down to how some bureaucrat feels about RV's. If a fan you may get a break, if he or she was recently cut off by a RV on the highway, maybe not.
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Old 01-09-2017, 04:13 PM   #4
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All of Chevrolet's official service manuals class our vehicles as a truck. My 250 is actually registered as a Chevrolet. You know all this already, but maybe those official Chevy Truck manuals are a way in......our chassis was simply a variant of that. Goo luck with that.......

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Old 01-09-2017, 04:34 PM   #5
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Hey guys..many thanks for the replies. Unfortunately my MH Texas registration clearly states that it is a "MH"..a fact which the DMV clerk pointed out so no chance of a "Chevy Truck" designation I'm afraid. Further research, although showing a much reduced antique registration fee of $55 for 5 years did, as you'all pointed out, severely restrict use to rallies, parades, club meets etc. Not for summer vacations though!
Really pleased to see you chaps watching the Forum..my 454 (now 468 cubic ins) with its Doug Thorley headers, Crane cam and tbi overhaul is due back from the re-builders this week. Also replacing hyro-boost, master cylinder and ps pump...will post some pics when "photogenic"
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Old 01-09-2017, 05:01 PM   #6
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I had a similar experience here in NM. There is a statute that you can put on a tag from the year of manufacture (in my case 1971) on a motor vehicle if it is unassigned. So I found a 1971 New Mexico "House Trailer" plate which would be the correct plate.

The local DMV said since a trailer does not have a motor it is not a motor vehicle and the YOM law does not apply. I contacted my state representative who contacted the state DMV director who said "of course it applies" and sent a memo to the local DMV and I got the plate assigned.

My other piece of advice is play dumb go to DMV and get on line. A different bean counter may give you the plate you want.
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Lumatic has a point. If you go into the DMV to a different teller and show all your paperwork for an antique plate along with the print out of everything you need from the website you might be able to pull it off. I would recommend trying on a saturday if they run saturday hours as the most junior personnel will be there. If they do not do Saturday hours, I would recommend Monday morning or Friday afternoon to prey upon their bleary-eyed return from the weekend, or their optimistic mood for its beginning.
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:18 PM   #8
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Like the way you devious chaps think...worth a try..I have the right manual showing truck chassis detail..I'll fill-out the form for a truck and hope for a obliging DMV clerk...I'll keep you posted...hope no DMV types are monitoring this forum stuff
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:44 PM   #9
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When I bought my 1983/82 chassis I actually thought about registering it as a classic to bypass possible annual diesel emission testing.....turns out my AS has a 6 cylinder gas motor, so it is exempt from E-testing.........

John did just as well when he phoned me in a bit of a panic about E-testing diesels and his 325 turbo diesel that he bought just after me; turns out he has an 8 cylinder diesel but turned up as a gas motor on the government listing for his VIN number; so he's exempt as well.

We have the same regulations governing use of classic or vintage tags; not used for daily use and only to and from car shows......wellllll officer the car show is in Tennessee this year, and there's always one in Grand Bend, and Sturgis, and somewhere in California.

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Old 01-09-2017, 11:08 PM   #10
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Chris - I would be really keen to know the part numbers you used for the headers, hydroboost, master cylinder etc. Our coaches should be identical (both 1991) and experience tells me it's worth cross checking replacement parts with someone who has actually fitted them and got them working, as opposed to relying purely on the VIN. Your upgrades sound great.

Good luck with the DMV.

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Old 01-10-2017, 07:11 AM   #11
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Hey now... it's not devious... it's maximizing the likelihood of your desired outcome.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:26 AM   #12
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Great quote from the "rivetmaster"
Nick...I'll get you those part numbers but I will warn you that the retail parts suppliers here in the States like O'Rilley's Autozone and Advance Auto play games with the part/item numbers specifically to avoid price comparisons. In most cases, the item numbers they use have no cross reference to GM/Chevrolet equivalents. Anyway, I'll get something to you in next few days
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Criscraw is correct no cross comparison, as for #s asked for use manf. of items wanted then shop. Part # seldom needed at any auto parts stores just tell make model # what part same from dealer then compare prices I rec. pur a ford part from Orileys came in ford packaging less than 1/2 price as fords price. lots of dif. in prices as #2 son owns repair garage for auto, trucks, landscape equip. construction etc. plus fab. and welding. Prices make dif. in profits and job price quotes.
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:09 PM   #14
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Nick...because the subject of my reply to you fits more under a more appropriate classic motorhomes thread, I'll put a sort of list together and post it in the sort of "mechanics corner". Matybe one of the rivetmasters could direct me to the appropriate thread.
In the meantime, if you PM me with your email, I'll email the list directly to you..if you have access to Google gmail, I could even link you to my Google Drive spreadsheet which includes labour (sic) hours and overall costing (in US dollars of course)
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Old 01-11-2017, 09:15 PM   #15
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Criscraw is correct no cross comparison, as for #s asked for use manf. of items wanted then shop. Part # seldom needed at any auto parts stores just tell make model # what part same from dealer then compare prices I rec. pur a ford part from Orileys came in ford packaging less than 1/2 price as fords price. lots of dif. in prices as #2 son owns repair garage for auto, trucks, landscape equip. construction etc. plus fab. and welding. Prices make dif. in profits and job price quotes.
Right-on featherbedder...This is why I never buy GM parts...we are fortunate (well in one sense anyway) that Airstream built their Classic motorhomes on the much maligned P30 "bread van" chassis...at least here in the USA we can rely on vast after market manufacturer availability. However, each manufacturer will assign a different part number as will the wholesaler and retailer. Thanks to the internet we can sort-out the better deals.
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