 |
|
03-04-2010, 08:15 AM
|
#21
|
"Cloudsplitter"

2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,129
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS
 Hi, there is an old saying. "If the factory didn't do it when they designed, tested, and assembled it, you needn't do it either." My vote for anti-seize on lug nuts, is no.
|
Agree.....
IMPORTANT!
Service technical publication
"Proper installation requires that the wheel lug torque be set to the recommended specification for your vehicle. Sometimes these torque specifications can be found in your vehicle's owner's manual, however more often than not you will need to refer to your vehicle's shop manual or obtain them from your vehicle dealer/service provider.
Unless specifically stated otherwise, wheel lug torque specifications are for clean and dry threads (no lubricant) that are free of dirt, grit, etc. Applying oil, grease or anti-seize lubricants to the threads will result in inaccurate torque values that over tighten the wheels.
A thread chaser or tap should be used to remove any burrs or obstructions of the threads allowing the lug hardware to be turned by hand until it meets the wheel's lug seat. Once lugs are snugged down, finish tightening them with an accurate torque wrench. Use the appropriate crisscross sequence (shown below) for the number of wheel lugs on your vehicle until all have reached their proper torque value. Be careful because if you over torque a wheel, you can strip a lug nut or hub, stretch or break a stud or bolt, and cause the wheel, brake rotor and/or brake drum to distort."
__________________
I’m done with ‘adulting’…Let’s go find Bigfoot.
|
|
|
03-04-2010, 08:25 AM
|
#22
|
Rivet Master 
1984 31' Airstream310
Dunsmuir
, California
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,336
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Agree.....
IMPORTANT!
Service technical publication
"...
A thread chaser or tap should be used to remove any burrs or obstructions of the threads allowing the lug hardware to be turned by hand until it meets the wheel's lug seat. ...."
|
Has anyone ever seen a tire shop do this? I sure haven't.
__________________
If you want others to be happy, practice compassion.
If you want to be happy, practice compassion - The Dalai Lama
1984 310 Limited Motorhome
Courtesy Parking (W/S/E/Wi-Fi) on I-5 in Northern California, 70 miles from Oregon border
|
|
|
03-04-2010, 09:29 AM
|
#23
|
"Cloudsplitter"

2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,129
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by guy99
Has anyone ever seen a tire shop do this? I sure haven't.
|
 Granted not too often, but when I was 'bust'n knuckles,(dealership) if I couldn't turn the wheel nut by hand it was time to clean/chase the threads.
When I asked an old-timer years ago why it was so important to use a torque wrench on free turning wheel nuts he explained that you should think of the threads as springs. Proper torque stretches the spring to keep things tight, over tightening with lubricant can stretch the spring to the breaking point.
Something even I could understand...back in the '60's
__________________
I’m done with ‘adulting’…Let’s go find Bigfoot.
|
|
|
03-04-2010, 09:34 AM
|
#24
|
Kmpro
Currently Looking...
1984 31' Airstream310
Lubbock
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 301
|
Hard Nuts Solution
I have never seen any tire shop with a set of thread chasers or taps either one. Back in the day and still now I have a full set of the stud chasers and taps in my toolbox. I specialized in front-end alignment and chassis type stuff during the time I was turning wrenches. These tools were indispensible as far as I was concerned because I would be called on nearly every week to repair the damage done to a stud or lug bolt by some untrained person at a tire shop. I had to replace some of the studs, but thread chasers saved some of my customers additional expense.
To use or not to use Anti-Seize on your lugs is a choice you can make for yourself. I have used it for over 30 years on my stuff without any problems, and the same was true for my 100s of customers who had work performed in my shop. If you ever have to change that tire at the side of the road, you will appreciate the anti-seize enabling you to use those Mickey Mouse tools furnished with the vehicle to remove that wheel with less hassle.
__________________
A Man has got know his limitations-Dirty Harry
That's Some Bad Hat Harry-Jaws 1978
|
|
|
03-04-2010, 09:39 AM
|
#25
|
3 Rivet Member 
1982 34' Limited
1975 31' Sovereign
Grovetown
, Georgia
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 107
|
I use an industrial brand that states it will not effect torque. The main problem is over torquing and over stressing bolts. Once a bolt has been over torqued it can weaken. Any lubricant left on the bolt can cause problems with torque and anti-seize working. The job of anti seize is to stop parts from rusting together, stop galvanic action of dissimilar metals and corrosion. I have fitters and millwrights apply it with greasy hands drop bolts in the dirt and give it that extra tug. The procedure we use is to clean threads completly and use a contact cleaner to remove any oils left.
__________________
"Humans get a lot done,not because we're smart, but because we have thumbs so we can make coffee." Flash Rosenburg
"Decaffinated coffee is the devil's blend."
|
|
|
03-04-2010, 09:52 AM
|
#26
|
Kmpro
Currently Looking...
1984 31' Airstream310
Lubbock
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 301
|
Hard Nuts Solution
Halleujah! Gives me encouragement that others have had good results too!
__________________
A Man has got know his limitations-Dirty Harry
That's Some Bad Hat Harry-Jaws 1978
|
|
|
03-04-2010, 10:13 AM
|
#27
|
1 Rivet Short
1989 25' Excella
By The Bay
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,632
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by kmpro
If you ever have to change that tire at the side of the road, you will appreciate the anti-seize enabling you to use those Mickey Mouse tools furnished with the vehicle to remove that wheel with less hassle.
|
It would be considered…foolish?...to travel without a full tool kit. As we have multiple campers, I keep mine under the truck rear seat so it is with me at all times. This includes a decent torque wrench, 4 way lug wrench, spare parts for my WD hitch, etc. It has been under my seat for many years and I cannot tell you how many times I have called upon it to fix something on the camper. Also have additional camper specific tools and parts in each camper. Must be something to do with all my years in Scouting…
__________________
*Life is Good-Camping all around the Continent*
*Good people drink good beer-Hunter S Thompson*
|
|
|
03-04-2010, 10:52 AM
|
#28
|
Rivet Master 
1960 22' Safari
in the wilderness
, The great Mojave Desert
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,077
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS
 Hi, there is an old saying. "If the factory didn't do it when they designed, tested, and assembled it, you needn't do it either." My vote for anti-seize on lug nuts, is no.
|
Let's not forget that the engineer's are often overruled by the accountants.
__________________
I'd rather be boon docking in the desert.
WBCCI 3344 FCU
AIR# 13896
CA 4
Yes, we have courtesy parking for you. About an hour North of Los Angeles.
|
|
|
03-04-2010, 01:31 PM
|
#29
|
Kmpro
Currently Looking...
1984 31' Airstream310
Lubbock
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 301
|
Hard Nuts Solution
Enough good tools make the solution easier. The refurb I'm currently involved in is being done with the tools I usually have on board the m/h. All my good stuff is in Denver. I did have enough tools (breaker bar, extension, 1" socket and cheater bar to make up 6ft) in my kit to break the lugs loose after much strain. If I had been at Denver, my CP Impact wrench would have done nicely. I have checked with 3 truck alignment shops and 2 Chevrolet truck dealerships here and all said that anti-seize will allow the proper torque and they have NO bulletins warning against the use of it on lug nuts/studs.
__________________
A Man has got know his limitations-Dirty Harry
That's Some Bad Hat Harry-Jaws 1978
|
|
|
03-11-2010, 06:57 AM
|
#30
|
Kmpro
Currently Looking...
1984 31' Airstream310
Lubbock
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 301
|
Hard Nuts Solution
Update: Worked on passenger side Lugs today. Same idiot with the air wrench must have installed lugs for FO. It took a breaker bar and a 9 foot cheater pipe to loosen the lugs. Two or three of the lugs would crack and pop as I loosened them. The good news: no stripped studs or nuts. They are now properly installed and torqued to specs. And yes, I used Anti-Seize on them. Since all the differing opinions, I am going to monitor the situation and update everyone on the results. Thanks for your feedback and comments on this!
__________________
A Man has got know his limitations-Dirty Harry
That's Some Bad Hat Harry-Jaws 1978
|
|
|
03-11-2010, 06:02 PM
|
#31
|
Rivet Master 

2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,438
|
Mixed opinions.
 Hi, I see the opinions are strong on both sides of the fence for lubing or not lubing the lug nuts/studs. So I will stand my ground on the opinion of not lubing them, but on my side of the fence, we don't have rust problems here like you may have in other parts of this huge country. And maybe if I worked or lived in your side of the fence I might lube them too.
 Many years ago when I was a new car dealer mechanic, I worked next to a guy from Canada; He said it was great to be working on cars where when you turned a bolt, it didn't break off, or have to be torched out, Like when he was working in a dealer in Canada.
__________________
Bob 2005 Safari 25-B
"Le Petit Chateau Argent" Small Silver Castle
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
|
|
|
03-11-2010, 08:58 PM
|
#32
|
Kmpro
Currently Looking...
1984 31' Airstream310
Lubbock
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 301
|
Bob, I respect your position on the Anti-Seize and understand. I think all the peeps on this forum are going to defend a position. That's ok by me and you are still welcome at my campfire regardless of position.
Mike
__________________
A Man has got know his limitations-Dirty Harry
That's Some Bad Hat Harry-Jaws 1978
|
|
|
03-11-2010, 09:07 PM
|
#33
|
"Cloudsplitter"

2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,129
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
When I asked an old-timer years ago why it was so important to use a torque wrench on free turning wheel nuts he explained that you should think of the threads as springs. Proper torque stretches the spring to keep things tight, over tightening with lubricant can stretch the spring to the breaking point.
Something even I could understand...back in the '60's 
|
Me too Bob..and we from the North Right Coast.
__________________
I’m done with ‘adulting’…Let’s go find Bigfoot.
|
|
|
03-15-2010, 11:33 AM
|
#34
|
Kmpro
Currently Looking...
1984 31' Airstream310
Lubbock
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 301
|
The torque wrench will serve you well on lugs as far as I can see. Note on torque wrenches: be sure the wrench has been calibrated and is stored properly to maintain accuracy.
__________________
A Man has got know his limitations-Dirty Harry
That's Some Bad Hat Harry-Jaws 1978
|
|
|
03-15-2010, 09:49 PM
|
#35
|
Rivet Master 

2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,438
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by kmpro
The torque wrench will serve you well on lugs as far as I can see. Note on torque wrenches: be sure the wrench has been calibrated and is stored properly to maintain accuracy.
|
 Hi, and by storing your torque wrench properly, we mean turning down the adjustment to zero or the lowest number on the scale. [mine stops at 20 lbs.]
__________________
Bob 2005 Safari 25-B
"Le Petit Chateau Argent" Small Silver Castle
2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
YAMAHA 2400 / AIR #12144
|
|
|
 |
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|

Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|