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Old 11-20-2020, 05:38 AM   #1
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EV comes closer......

I have written previously about a short range RV solution already being available, well now Chevy have got in on the act....

I present the eCrate E10, using Chevy Volt batteries (60kWh)

https://electrek.co/2020/10/29/gm-19...onversion-kit/



All we have to do now is find somewhere to house the extra two batteries for it to have a useful range and we are getting there
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Old 11-20-2020, 06:18 AM   #2
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Very cool

It's getting there, just a matter of time. That might get one of the 20' Argosies about 50 miles

Will be interesting to see where the tech gets in another 10 years, I'm guessing most new cars will be electric by then
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Old 11-20-2020, 06:24 AM   #3
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I'm going to hold off until we get a Mr. Fusion
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I wonder what the cost will be and if the kit includes some sort of thermal management like the Volt, Tesla, etc.

In the pic, perhaps they repurposed the Volt batteries, but that image does not look like the factory Volt battery pack. The Volt battery pack is "T" shaped.

Regardless, very cool stuff and I personally am looking very forward to the expansion of EVs.
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My wife and I bought our first EV this year. It’s a game changer. Once you get used to driving an EV, a vehicle with an internal combustion engine seems antiquated. I can’t wait to see how the technology improves over the next ten years.
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Very cool

It's getting there, just a matter of time. That might get one of the 20' Argosies about 50 miles

Will be interesting to see where the tech gets in another 10 years, I'm guessing most new cars will be electric by then
Its actually a Chevy Bolt battery pack not Volt (my bad).



Only about 6months ago I was quoted $40k for a similar spec to this ($100K to get to 300miles).

Must be the way my brain works but I look that the battery pack as a 4in raised floor with the 'kick-up' under a sofa or bed. If those 3 packs (180kWh) total can get me to 200 miles it becomes viable. 180kWh plus an invertor should be able to run anything I need so the generator tray is a good location of the electronics

In the UK they have announced that by 2030 (9 years) there will be no single fuel (petrol or diesel) vehicles sold, so we will either be walking or the infrastructure has to come rapidly.
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Old 11-20-2020, 10:41 AM   #7
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My favorite photo....



Drive, 4 speed transmission and torque box all in one package. Bye bye small block, TH475 and GearVendors overdrive.
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One small hurdle, that bolt battery pack weighs 960lbs...

You'll want some suspension upgrades for sure. Again, for a 20' argosy on a p-30 chassis, not overcomeable if you beef it up to the capacities of a 310.

I would think the tesla style slab packs would mount underfloor, unless you plan to keep the engine and driveshaft, the motor would mount right to the rear diff. On the 310 at least, eliminating the driveshaft propane and exhaust frees up a lot of space underneath.
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One small hurdle, that bolt battery pack weighs 960lbs...

You'll want some suspension upgrades for sure. Again, for a 20' argosy on a p-30 chassis, not overcomeable if you beef it up to the capacities of a 310.

I would think the tesla style slab packs would mount underfloor, unless you plan to keep the engine and driveshaft, the motor would mount right to the rear diff. On the 310 at least, eliminating the driveshaft propane and exhaust frees up a lot of space underneath.
You'd be eliminating 400-ish lb of fuel and tank, and the electric motor drivetrain probably weighs a couple hundred pounds less than the old V8 and transmission...
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One small hurdle, that bolt battery pack weighs 960lbs...

You'll want some suspension upgrades for sure. Again, for a 20' argosy on a p-30 chassis, not overcomeable if you beef it up to the capacities of a 310.

I would think the tesla style slab packs would mount underfloor, unless you plan to keep the engine and driveshaft, the motor would mount right to the rear diff. On the 310 at least, eliminating the driveshaft propane and exhaust frees up a lot of space underneath.
Its is, but the little 20ft's only weight 7000lb on a 11000lb chassis so we have more head room than anything short of the coach chassis motorhomes, plus batteries, fuel tank, exhausts etc all go. 3 Bolt batteries should take the weight upto that of 26ft (although a 26ft is on a 12500lb chassis).
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GM intend to sell crate EV engines to Hotrodders and other Classic enthusiasts.

The game changer may be their Ultium stackable EV battery technology. The intention is to allow you to match battery requirements to your application. My prediction (for what its worth) is that battery costs will plummet and range will increase faster than people think. My intention is to see what the market is doing in five years.

'One Hummer EV boast that requires no caveats is its impressive 800-volt DC fast charging, compatible with chargers of up to 350 kilowatts. Credit GM’s Ultium batteries here, which can swap from parallel to series mode while charging, adding up to 100 miles of range in 10 minutes. GMC hasn’t announced the battery’s size just yet, but the 24-module, double-stacked pack provides an estimated range of 350-plus miles.'

The second-generation line of Ultium batteries, which GM is working on now and predicts will be ready by mid-decade, will result in even more cost savings, boasting twice the energy density at less than half the cost of today’s Ultium chemistry.


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I was listening in on an EV conference today. They are looking at +1 MW charging speeds for E-Trucks. It's not too far away either.
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I keep getting my hopes dashed and think EV will wait until Bella has her next 'body off' to let the batteries mount in the frame.

After the Chevy eCrate was announced I went back to Electric Classic Cars (the guys featured on the Vintage Voltage TV show) and they basically laughed at the spec. It is the engine and battery tray from a Bolt hatchback and they simply would not use it.

They are holding with the 100K ($130K) plus estimate to get 300 miles using a Tesla 450hp motor.

Also, for me LPG, is now off the table as Autogas is in decline at many 'gas stations'.

Hence my teaser on the 2021 motorhome thread.....looks like the OM904/Allison 3000RP (6 speed incorporating a Thelma type retarder) is in Bella's near future. The remaining issue seems to be final drive ratio. The diesel runs at a 2200rpm cruise, which would give a 45mph top speed and which can't be solved in the overdrive ratios rations. It could be the entire Mercedes drive train is required.
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One small hurdle, that bolt battery pack weighs 960lbs...

You'll want some suspension upgrades for sure. Again, for a 20' argosy on a p-30 chassis, not overcomeable if you beef it up to the capacities of a 310.

I would think the tesla style slab packs would mount underfloor, unless you plan to keep the engine and driveshaft, the motor would mount right to the rear diff. On the 310 at least, eliminating the driveshaft propane and exhaust frees up a lot of space underneath.
We jumped on the electric vehicle bandwagon, not with an actual EV but back in November we grabbed some Quantumscape.🤓
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Solid state maybe the future but it is a long way from proof of concept to deployment, and future may change before that happens.
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Solid state maybe the future but it is a long way from proof of concept to deployment, and future may change before that happens.
So you're saying sell it now at a big gain?
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So you're saying sell it now at a big gain?
What I am saying is it has taken 10 years to reach prove of concept (because of the challenges, not a lack of investment and good ideas), but the next stage is even called the 'innovation gap' (people think innovation is the initial idea - when actually it is the deployment of that idea) because of the attrition rate from R+D to deployment.
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I drive a Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Electric car here in LA. Had it for coming up 3 years. It's the best car I have owned. 5 min to fill and 320 miles. Fast, clean and quiet. The challenge is of course there isn't yet a national network of hydrogen stations. But. For bigger vehicles, buses, trucks and of course RVs its a fantastic solution. Toyota are already in trials with buses, trucks etc. And there are big plans to install a fuel network. Love the idea of electrifying my 345LE. I'll do it the instant it's a viable solution.
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The question is not if, but when. I know there are the naysayers, and I appreciate their skepticism, but those in the 20th century who had stock in horsewhips felt similarly, and though the technology many not yet be there quite yet, again, the question is not if, but when.

You can disagree, you can hate it, but as time moves on, you won't be able to deny it.

Sure, for the next 5-10 years, ICE (Internal combustion engines) may have their place and may not fully disappear in the most conservative of estimates, however you are going to see a paradigm shift and there is every indication that will **start** to happen sooner than later... how far and in how short or long of a time is widely open to debate, but the if is not really open to interpretation if you see what nearly every manufacturer is claiming to put out there the next 2-5 years from now.

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