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Old 10-31-2012, 05:03 PM   #1021
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'89 mirror location

Finally, I remember to take a photo of this before it too dark to do it. By taking these photos, I realize that I'm mssing some sort of trim part on passenger side. As well, passenger side is missing a screw! Something else to add to my 'buy' list.
Steve, as far as your Fantastic Fans, check with the company, I'm pretty certain their replacement policy would take care of your broken parts, at least I hope so, as mine has quit working all-together!
Good Luck, Derek
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Old 10-31-2012, 07:17 PM   #1022
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Finally, I remember to take a photo of this before it too dark to do it.
Well, that's the third type of mirror mounting system that I've seen on Classic/Argosy motorhomes. The 86 345 that I dismantled had mounts that were upside down triangular shapes that had studs sticking through the skin and nuts on the inside of the wall. I'd have so I would prefer either of the other two styles if I had to make a choice between one of the three.

One thing I found rather interesting this evening was the configuration of the mounts for the Argosy (and I assume Classics that have this style of mount) is they are handed, road side and curb side. I had to hold them up to each other back to back to realize the back side is curved to match the contour of the shell.

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Steve, we were discussing earlier the placement of the drivers seat and how it might impact the mirror location on the outside. If you check out the pictures below you'll see why I'm glad the mirror mount on the Argosy is 3" or more farther forward compared to the Classics. Since I can't slide the seat any farther back if the mirror had been in same location as on our 310 I would have to really turn my head to the side to actually see the mirror. My real concern now is the location of the passenger mirror and how well I will be able to see it from the driver seat. I'll temporarily mount the passenger mirror tomorrow and see what it is like.

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The Velvac mirrors that I have for the Argosy are the 2025 bases with turn signal indicator and the VMax heads with remote control of the flat mirror and they are heated. The mount in the picture has the turn signal removed so I can access the wiring connector. The VMax mirror definitely gives a lot of viewing area as it is 4" taller than the standard mirrors. Based on the angle I have the bases mounted at the moment I'm not sure that a 1/2" space at the top wouldn't be too much. Right now I think I have about 1/4" difference between top and bottom. What makes it so hard to determine that is the passenger side is jacked up somewhat and the left front tire is low on air.

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The mirrors that will be installed on the 310 are the Velvac Revolution series which have a pivot mechanism which lets you swing the mirror forward or backward for best placement. I almost wish I could use these on the Argosy but they are slated for the 310

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Old 10-31-2012, 07:50 PM   #1023
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Thanks for that Derek!
Wow, the pass side looks way further fwd than I would have expected...
When you get a min, take a shot of your view from the drivers seat please?

And I thought I had my plate full Brad!
I guess those revolution mirrors cure the bodyside curve issue!
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Old 10-31-2012, 08:18 PM   #1024
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And I thought I had my plate full Brad!
I guess those revolution mirrors cure the bodyside curve issue!
Which is why I'm going to lobby to use them on the Argosy
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:02 PM   #1025
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What a crappy day...
If you had a crappy day too... leave now!

Edison had advised us of a scheduled local power outage to upgrade some hardware..
Power was out at 10am.
By 2pm I was pulling my hair out, I had studied until my brain hurt...

I thought... I need some AS time...

I took the genset Facet fuel pump I had stripped, cleaned and bench tested back and refitted it.


It failed in situ.. no fuel flow.. so no onboard genset..
Whats the?

I pulled out my backup 3500w portable genset... which thwarted my attemps to start, and it turned out to be a blocked jet... stripped the carb to clean... installed a fuel filter now!

Its gonna go good now.. right?

Not.
I attempted to finish polishing the bodyside above the bathroom with my home made polish...
It was looking real good...
Then POP... the compounding buffer quit....
Will look at the bushes, or return it to HF for a replacement.

Ok, onto the next item..
I have decided to remove the mid body mouldings, so I started drilling out the rivets...
I swear I was being careful, and bang... the drill bit snapped off, the drill slipped and punched a hole in the skin...
I was mortified, but what is done is done...


Undaunted, and being a glutton for punishment...
Up on the roof I went to try to make some progress on the TV antenna replacement...
This is what I have... antenna is gone, just an ugly mastic bedded plate..
All the screws were out, but it would not come off!


After about an hour of gentle easing, it was off..


Here is what I got for the replacement..


I part assembled it and put it up on the roof for a trial fit.


Lining up the original antenna's crank hole made me realize there is a problem...


The new antenna encrouches on the forward vent..


Now what!
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:05 AM   #1026
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To solve this problem on mine; I increased the height of the standoff that the antenna rests on when it is in the down position. I riveted the extension onto the existing one, it allows the vent to be opened when the antenna is in the down position.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:24 AM   #1027
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What a crappy day...
If you had a crappy day too... leave now!

Now what!
Have some Bluebell Icecream !!
There is this commercial...old farmer gets kicked by the horse, tractor runs over him and the barn burns down. All singed and beaten up he sits at the dinner table enjoying blue bell icecream, when his wife asked "How was your day?" "Turned out good, turned out good" he replies...
The hole you drilled was supposed to have an olympic rivet anyways. they just forgot to put it there.
This my thought and experience with the 70/80 generators: Boat anchors, at least that is what an Onan rep told me, when I tried to get some NLA parts. It seems and I have proven it myself many times, they always quit when you need them most.
That is the reason why a new generator has always been on the top of my list when i restore one of these puppies. I know and hear you, its a lot of money, but if you live in the south, its part of doing business, the dash A/C doesn't cut it.
Just my thoughts and I hope you have a great day !

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Old 11-02-2012, 01:48 PM   #1028
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Gunner...
Thanks for that!
I was looking at that little M shaped receiver/standoff, and wondered if I could use it!
Did you have the same original setup and use the same/similar replacement?
I am worried about the coax... They come up rearward of the antenna hole, and it looks like the new one was designed to be forward. I dont want to start pulling the inner skins to rework that!
I also have a pair of small 12v cables emerging up top.. What were they for?

Thanks for the support Peter... I am ok today... just seemed like I was getting the rough end of the pineapple yesterday!

On a good note...
I fixed the fantastic fan lift mechanism!

Based on info I got in the vent section, here is the fix...

I removed the inner raise handle, and then the 4 screws holding the trim panel, and let it hang down.

Instantly, I could see the roll pin was pushed off to the side...
I removed the assembly..


Lift mechanism with pin out of place!


It seemed a little loose, so I tweeked the roll pin open a little with a flat screwdriver, to make it a tighter fit.
Put it in position on the arm and pinched the pin back thru with pliers.


And put it back in position.


Fixed!
just missing a couple of screws...


Feeling good that now I can lock it down!
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Old 11-02-2012, 02:05 PM   #1029
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Also found replacement lenses for my melted interior lights...
Look for "Progressive Dynamics Dome light"
They were $3.95 per pair off Ebay.



Slightly different, but its good..
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:39 PM   #1030
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We have rain coming in, so grabbing time to get some of these things pushed forward.

Antenna time..
Opened up the roof hole to allow the base to seat down..

Need some feedback on my options here...

Mount it straight on and make a stand off to keep it off the vent, as you suggested Gunner..


Or twist it slightly off to curbside like this...


Also would like some opinions on how to connect the coax that emerges from the roof at the rear, to the antenna connection at the front?



I test mounted it and checked the raise function...

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Old 11-07-2012, 09:53 PM   #1031
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As I said i would, began removing the bodyside trims... upper first.
Cannot believe how much junk there was trapped behind it!!







Cleaned off the dirt, and removed the sealant, and began to polish...



Finished the upper bodyside over the bathroom and gave the whole area a go over.



Then started on the front roof.

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Old 11-07-2012, 10:47 PM   #1032
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Great decision. Other than having to accept the misalignment of the rivets that you'll have to install to fill the off centered holes left behind by the removal of the moulding fasteners, you'll never regret getting rid of that trim. Polishing is easier, and in my opinion the whole coach just looks so much cleaner without it. Sometimes I wonder why it was ever installed in the first place, but I figure it was a decision made by the same design team that applied the faux wood stripe.
I can understand faux wood in the context of the early 60's on station wagons, but I can't imagine what anyone was thinking in the 80's when they were applying it to an aircraft inspired motorhome?? I'm pretty sure the Astronauts weren't using it on their Airstream.

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Old 11-08-2012, 06:22 AM   #1033
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Steve,
As always I admire your incredible energy and drive to perfection, but I feel like without the trim, you are loosing some of the classic features that make these coaches so unique. Plus you are adding countless rivet holes to a very uneven line of buck rivets. A polished trim with a new insert would imho look awesome, but I like to preserve the original look as much as I can.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:27 AM   #1034
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Always appreciate the input guys!
Actually, aside from my mishap, the rivets look pretty straight.
The are a few reasons I am choosing this course of action.
If you look at what I started with, the finish was already toast, and the paint was horrible. my attempts to remove this paint from the trim and get it looking even half decent was time consuming, with variable results. I also have severeral pieces damaged on the curbside.
I realized long ago that originallity was not an option, and I also disliked the faux wood..
This 345 is odd, in the fact it has no dinette and as a result no windows across from the galley. This further adds to its visual length. I want is to look strong and tall, and any horizontal lines or features draw your eye along, giving the impression of lowering it and lengthening it. I also think it will look cleaner and as you state, Charly, the repolish will be simpler.

You would not believe what was trapped behind that trim... it was a thick poultice of black gunk. Horrible... I wondered why everytime it rains(like right now!) I had black lines below the trim.
The lowest trim, the wide one at the rocker line is staying.

As for my energy Peter... I have my days!
I just try to do my best on everything I touch. Its been a rough week and not felt well with some visual disturbances from my eye issue, so it was nice to have a few hours to get some things done.
This rain was forecast, and I know there is more coming.
Gotta get that front roof cleaned up so I can get the lights back on and all the joints sealed before winter.
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:35 PM   #1035
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Many thanks for posting all of the great pictures on removing trim - I've been toying with taking this same project on over the winter and now that I have decided to go polished I think I'm leaning towards removing the trim also. My 24' looks so similar to a classic trailer from the rear going down the road that I think removing the trim will bring it that much closer to the trailer look. My exterior is pretty clean and with minimal blemishes I think it could turn out great.

Looking forward to more photos.
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Old 11-08-2012, 11:39 PM   #1036
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Thanks 240!
Hey, if you have not seen it, look at my thread in the polishing section... and check out MaryContrary's post and RIPPED 310 gallery upload pictures sans trim...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f441...ome-81748.html
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:59 PM   #1037
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Got most of the bodyside moulding off...
Pictures of what is hiding behind...





Front too...



Looking better, I feel!




Cant help feeling those tail lamps could look better...
Triple pod LED trailer lamps, behind a smooth red cover...
That blink like the new Mustang units...
Dreaming....
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:40 PM   #1038
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Took a break from studying to try to get a couple of areas finished...

Front roof is a MESS.
At least 3 big soft dents and what looks like hail damage too...
Its amazing what that horrible dull oxidized finish was hiding...
I will have to pull the interior trim out and massage it back from the inside in the future.

I got most of it rough cut quickly, but stuggled with the combo of silicon and other sealants around the top of windshield seal... trying to get it off without damaging the seal, or the aluminum was a pain!
Needed a scraper I have at home, so gave up.

Anyway... here is the ugliness... lucky its not so visble from the ground!


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Old 11-15-2012, 12:51 PM   #1039
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Spent the rest of my limited time on the areas where the waist trim was..
I like the smooth look!
Wiped off the crud, then carefully scrapped off the sealant tape and glue, then compounded with coarse paste, the went over the whole thing with the HF DA buffer with coarse paste on a wool pad..
It works good!

There are still some deep scratches along where the trim was... I suspect that original faux wood decal was trimmed in position with a knife...

Front...




Rear.

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Also removed the lower trim on the rear corner so I can begine to figure out the repair on the ABS trim.
I think the bumper will need to come off, whicg is fine because it needs welding and refinishing.



Forgot to post this before...
Grabbed a couple of Chevy badges form the Junkyard last time I was there...

Trying to decide between this Blue one...
The center is cracked, so thought I could replace it with a new piece of perspex and back light it...


Or a simple traditional Gold/Chrome one..
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