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02-10-2008, 06:07 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 23' Safari
1977 23' Safari
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Palmer Lake
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with just a little more thought it's obvious that there are a number of required refinements--access at one end (a main gate, if you will) for the poop pumper potentially eliminating the #9 position, space for evaporation ponds, etc.
Over and out...
Zep
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02-10-2008, 06:17 PM
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Head Animal Wrangler
2010 19' International
2015 Interstate Ext. Coach
Los Osos
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Nice job on the maps.
I like the first drawing for ease of access to everyone.
Last year was my first at Burnstream Court and even as a newbie the group seemed too large. As welcoming as everyone tried to be, I really only got to know my immediate neighbors. My view was of the back of someone's trailer so I really couldn't tell when anything was going on or even if anyone was in camp. The group was so large that there were people I didn't even meet. I understand why it was necessary to rethink and regroup.
I agree that the problem was in the presentation. It would be very understandable if the group wanted to take a year (or more) off to reorganize. To simply say that Burnstream Court would not be getting together as a camp this year and everyone needs to make their own arrangements would be fine. The presentation was such that Burnstream Court would be "limited to the elders and a few of our friends" and no one else was allowed to be part of their group. That seemed quite exclusionary which is the opposite of the all inclusive Burning Man Community spirit.
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02-10-2008, 06:17 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' International CCD
1954 22' Flying Cloud
1957 22' Flying Cloud
Simi Valley
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the main purpose of the access road is the threat of high winds and fire (i hadn't thought of the honey wagon or water truck). if memory serves me correctly (yikes!) it was an airstream moho a few years back that went up in flames. if you can imagine a 50+ mph wind and the rig next to you a blaze; an access road makes sense. somewhere up on the main orgs website is the rules for laying out a large basic camp (not the design, the health and safty requirements). k.
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Originally Posted by Zeppelinium
with just a little more thought it's obvious that there are a number of required refinements--access at one end (a main gate, if you will) for the poop pumper potentially eliminating the #9 position, space for evaporation ponds, etc.
Over and out...
Zep
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02-10-2008, 06:49 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 27' Overlander
1954 25' Cruiser
1990 34.5' Airstream 345
VC Highlands
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The org does not require a road down the middle of the camps but recommends access through large villages - that may be what you are thinking about. This camp will not be the size of the large 400+ person villages.
In this case a road through is not required but will be something to think about as some in the group leave earlier than others and being able to manage the trailers in and out will be an issue.
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02-10-2008, 06:50 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 23' Safari
1977 23' Safari
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Palmer Lake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevbo10
i do believe the main org will require an "access road" down the middle for emergency vehicles. i "believe". someone should check. k.
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If it's really 170' between the streets, then in the "eye" arrangement everyones' front bumpers (exceptin the "late comers", of course) are directly on a street. This formation is perfect for a "bomb burst" departure. The access "gate" is so the pump truck can get inside the "eye" to the the rear end of each trailer.
Zep
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02-10-2008, 08:35 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1984 31' Excella
Santa Barbara
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I will be arriving at Burning Man early as a DMV volunteer and can help with FRS radio contact to give directions to the selected campsite. Just let me know where the "golden spike" (thanks Monte for this term) is put in the ground and we can all march towards it.
Zep, thanks for getting the layout conversation started.
Mark
aka Konaboy
3 year burner
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02-10-2008, 08:44 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 27' Overlander
1954 25' Cruiser
1990 34.5' Airstream 345
VC Highlands
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Mark - do you remember discussions about a canopy????
If I had my wishes (and I have not committed to anything yet) I would hope for the 3:00 area for a location. It is quiet and close to where I will be working.
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02-10-2008, 08:52 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1984 31' Excella
Santa Barbara
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Kimber:
Don't know of any canopy volunteers yet, but that is a thought. I also like the 3 o'clock area and would recommend it for the proximity to entertainment venues.
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1984 31' Excella, mid bath, king size bed
1998 Chevrolet Suburban K2500, 7.4L/454 c.i., 4WD, Pullrite Hitch
AIR No. 2375
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02-10-2008, 09:09 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 23' Safari
1977 23' Safari
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Palmer Lake
, Colorado
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buttercup
Mark - do you remember discussions about a canopy????
If I had my wishes (and I have not committed to anything yet) I would hope for the 3:00 area for a location. It is quiet and close to where I will be working.
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I brought a canopy last year, but it never got set up. 20x12x10 high. 1-1/2" galvanized conduit poles. It seems strong enough for the wind, if tied down properly--it's not the lightweight 1-1/4" pipe. But it has never been tested in the high winds.
I am willing to bring it again. Fake grass carpet is cheap at HD and might make a nice floor. I'm not sure we want to put up two walls, but Buttercup, your canopy/tent thing did fine last year with semi-porous walls.
Dr Quark
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02-10-2008, 09:18 PM
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Rivet Master
1978 31' Excella 500
Genoa
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Some good thinking going on there about rig placement. Good to get this going in Feb.
In web blogs, I've learned that people seldom read thoroughly anyone else's remarks, so frequently you get mis interpreted or misquoted, misunderstood. Sometimes your print seems to get jumbled after you typed it. Then the flame starts, and everyone is puzzled why the other person doesn't understand. I've begun to accept its alright unless you are discussing parts tolerances in jet engines and rockets and neurosurgery.
I plan on being there, and plan on volunteering where I can. Still early to say on where to be camping yet, could be with the "new first annual rally" .
For those who haven't been to a BM yet, its an amazing event and you really need to read the first timers guide, and again. Dust Storms happen. Lightening happens. Very high wind happens. Double, triple, yes 4 rainbows happen. And that was in one afternoon.
We have some wonderful "old timers" BM volunteers in our midst that can give us great advice, I know of one that could chime in and say "15 years" but she's too modest to post that I've seen yet. (She must have started when she was very young).
Again, good thinking going on. Zep has a good idea there on gathering before zero hour to achieve placement. Maybe go in as two or three smaller groups would help. They don't let you in before 12:01Midnight, and they don't let you come and go willy nilly, and phones don't work past Gerlach. Amateur radio probalby would.
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02-10-2008, 09:20 PM
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Rivet Master
1978 31' Excella 500
Genoa
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Holey cow, 3 posts while I was composting.! and Shadow is on! Hi! I want 3:00 too.
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02-13-2008, 07:11 PM
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Tramp Streamer
Commercial Member
1995 28' Excella
Artist
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it starts
Zep, GREAT job on the drawings. Both designs have there advantages. You may remember the at BSC a conversion bus drove right into the fire access lane in the dead of night, dumped it's gray water and would not leave till a stink was made, (pun intended)
Defending space will be a full time job.
I think drawing #2 defends the perimeters with the least number of rigs.
As time progresses we will need to firm up on attendees and a meeting place. Pyramid Lake is a idea for folks who have a few extra days. There is also a gas station off the main hwy which we could rally at on the day of arrival.
This will be a "No Spectators" rally and volunteers will need to step forward for things like clean-up, flag making would be cool, parking markers, and some administrative duties like Honey pot sign-up and the like.
Zep mentioned a central shade structure! sounds like just the ticket. How about gen sets, who has um and who don't.
I'll come up with a list of tasks and you can choose which may suit your talents.
Over and out!
Michael
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02-13-2008, 08:55 PM
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Rivet Master
1978 31' Excella 500
Genoa
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I haven't signed on yet but will probably be, unless we come up with something for our local StoneyPlain owners group. Maybe we could be adjoining neighbors, to reduce the border patrol duties. Theme camp helps you get set up earlier, but there's so much more you gotta do to be a theme camp.
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02-13-2008, 10:07 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 23' Safari
1977 23' Safari
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Palmer Lake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtStream
...Defending space will be a full time job.
I think drawing #2 defends the perimeters with the least number of rigs.
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Michael, I have no experience on this topic, since I arrived on Wednesday last year as a Virgin. I was fantasizing that if 4 of us arrived and marked the "corners" that that would work for a day or so, enough time for others to arrive and fill in. You are right about #2 requiring the fewest space defenders, but if we arranged the first arrivals as "defenders," then it will be difficult to maneuver the later rigs into the inner circle, plus you penalize the early people by putting them on the border--maybe they want to be inner circle. Don't know.
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Originally Posted by ArtStream
...As time progresses we will need to firm up on attendees and a meeting place. Pyramid Lake is a idea for folks who have a few extra days. There is also a gas station off the main hwy which we could rally at on the day of arrival.
...volunteers will need to step forward for things like clean-up, flag making would be cool, parking markers, and some administrative duties like Honey pot sign-up and the like.
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Michael, you da man. I appreciate you taking on the task list, but what else would we expect from Da Leeda? We await your instructions.
Once we get a consensus on the parking plan, I would be pleased to bring the bigass tape (sorry, NevadGeo, it's only 250'), flags, pegs, etc. Do we need plastic yellow chain and Mace? Yellow police tape? Fierce bigdogs?
I would like some feedback [eventually] on how many rigs will use awnings, both Zip Dee and vintage rags. The awnings don't impact so much on the circle design (#2), but do on the eye design.
Dr. Quark
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02-13-2008, 11:08 PM
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2 Rivet Member
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walla walla
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Awnings
We have a old school awning with our 17' Bambi II, it will need room for the tie-downs. Also, I usually carry 1, and sometimes 2 - 10X20 shade assemblies. I only used one of them last year, so thats most likely what I will take this year. I can bring the other if needed. They are very strong and do not have issues with wind if tied down.
Our neighbors that are going with us here in the Walla are bringing their 26' Land Yacht with a large zip-dee awning and he usually has a 20X20 pavilion - perfect for group shade. Another friend is bringing our spare trailer, but it is not a Airstream, but a 1952 Western - old school cool. It has a big ole butt on it - we call the trailer "the Donk". That also has a old school awning.
If you wanna see these trailers, check out my pics from the burn at:
Burning Man 2007
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02-13-2008, 11:23 PM
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Rivet Master
1977 27' Overlander
1954 25' Cruiser
1990 34.5' Airstream 345
VC Highlands
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I just checked out your pictures - Are you a Mac couple? If so - kudos!!!
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02-14-2008, 08:46 AM
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Head Animal Wrangler
2010 19' International
2015 Interstate Ext. Coach
Los Osos
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Nice photos.
The first Bambi in your slide show is ME.
I was apparently out playing on the playa...
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02-14-2008, 07:34 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Arlington Hts
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Burnstream Court on hiatus
For those of you who don't know me, I am Arc, a 7 year burner and avid Airstreamer. I founded Burnstream Court in 2002, with a little list server and a notice in the Jackrabbit (Burning Man's email newsletter). A guiding principle of Burnstream Court was radical inclusivity...you didn't even have to HAVE an Airstream to camp with us, you only had to LIKE them, and we took all comers until our planned (or later, when we were a registered theme camp, assigned) space was full. Yes, we had folks in tents and boxy campers, too, and we met some really wonderful people that way.
I was happy to see this thread start, and I applaud the efforts of Michael and any other organizers to put together an Airstream rally at Burning Man this year. I wish them and all of you great success in putting together a rally-type event within the framework of an official Burning Man theme camp (spacial constraints and interactivity requirements, most notably). I regret that as a named Airstream rally, it is less likely that Airstream enthusiasts who don't actually own one will be included, but that is completely up to Michael and the rest.
For the record, here is the text of the announcement that we sent out over the Burnstream List before tickets went on sale for this year, as written by me and approved by the Elders (aka founding members) of Burnstream Court:
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Dear Past, Present and Future Burnstreamers,
The past several years of Burnstream Court have been an interesting experiment in nearly unchecked growth in our relatively ad hoc organization and community. In many respects, it has been an amazing success. From four silver twinkies camping together in 2002, last year we parked almost forty! During this time, we managed to display our Airstreams in some impressive formations, and presented some unique activities and attractive camp entrances to the citizens of Black Rock City. In that sense, it has been a wonderful and positive experience for all of us, and I think we all should be proud.
This past year, however, while things may have seemed to proceed smoothly on the surface, in fact the Burnstream Elders experienced quite a bit of stress managing our burgeoning size, encouraging participation from Burnstreamers, and negotiating our theme camp status and placement with the Burning Man organization. After six consecutive years of increasing amounts of these complications and workloads, many of us have reached the point of burnout, and feel we need to take a year off to recover and regroup a bit.
And so it is with a heavy heart that we must announce that for 2008, Burnstream Court will celebrate the American Dream in part by going home, returning to its roots as a small gathering of friends, unregistered and unmapped. Our intent is to spend a year on the playa less concerned with the details of our own camp, so that we have more time both to get out and experience and participate in the rest of Black Rock City, and to reflect a bit on our future direction and refocus our efforts for 2009.
As a result, camping with Burnstream Court will be limited to the Burnstream Elders and a few of our friends, however, we welcome and encourage other Burnstreamers and Airstream enthusiasts to seek us out and camp on their own nearby. We will be claiming a site in open camping territory as near as possible to a location that will be announced here. We'd love to see you in the neighborhood on the Airstream side of town!
And have no fear! This is NOT the end of Burnstream Court. We have every intention of regrouping and coming back as a badass theme camp for 2009. In the meantime, the Burnstream email list will remain active as a nexus for communication among Burning Airstreamers. We hope you will continue to use it as such.
Thank you all for your interest and enthusiasm. We apologize if we have dissappointed anyone's hopes for 2008, but we hope you all can understand our need for some rest, recuperation, and revitalization.
See you on the playa!
...Arc
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Pictures of past years at Burnstream Court can be seen at our web page, WWW.BURNSTREAM.NET, and the Burnstream email list can be joined under the the About Us tab there, though there isn't a lot of traffic right now.
Personally, I now have a three month old son, Graeme, so it is unlikely I will be towing an Airstream to the playa this year, though I hope to fly out for a visit to Burnstream Court for a few days. If I do, I look forward to visiting the rally and seeing some of you out there. And I encourage all of you to drop by and see whatever mandala formation we end up putting together at the Court.
To all of you considering attending, but still on the fence, I can only say that Burning Man is an Airstream destination like no other. The cross section of Airstreams and Burning Man seems to attract some really cool people, worth meeting and getting to know. Come with an open mind, and ready to boondock for a week in seriously harsh conditions both hot and cold, and you'll likely go home planning how to do it even better next year!
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02-14-2008, 08:30 PM
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Tramp Streamer
Commercial Member
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Arc,
Thanks for the well wishes and congratulations on the arrival of your son Graeme.
Michael
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02-14-2008, 09:11 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Arlington Hts
, Illinois
Join Date: Dec 2002
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Thanks, Michael, and thanks for taking this on!
Incidentally, the latest shots of Graeme are here:
A Brand New Kilovolt!
(proud Papa can't help showing off)
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