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Old 02-12-2006, 10:10 AM   #1
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Talking Remove all Propane items...and replace with all electric

any thoughts..

i would like to pull all gas equipment and replace with all electric equipment...stove top...heater...fridge...hot water heater...

your thoughts are greatly appreciated...and any items you could point me to would be appreciated...as well...

30 year old lines tank and open flame...my wife and i fast asleep and not waking up....i always look at the worst and do what i can to prevent that...

thanks

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also any items removed would be available for pickup in central florida to forums members
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Old 02-12-2006, 10:43 AM   #2
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Wow, if it worries you that much then I don't think there is anything anyone can say to change your mind. All the appliances can be checked by trained service people. The lines can be inspected an pressure tested. There are also gas detectors which work similar to smoke detectors.
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Old 02-12-2006, 10:49 AM   #3
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any thoughts..

i would like to pull all gas equipment and replace with all electric equipment...stove top...heater...fridge...hot water heater...

your thoughts are greatly appreciated...and any items you could point me to would be appreciated...as well...

30 year old lines tank and open flame...my wife and i fast asleep and not waking up....i always look at the worst and do what i can to prevent that...
It shouldn't be a problem but I guess you can forget about boondocking and you may limit your resale for someone who might need or want that ability.
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Old 02-12-2006, 12:10 PM   #4
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Lee, Lee, Lee...(sigh)

You will no longer be able to "strive endlessly to stir the venturesome spirit that moves you follow the rainbow to its end... and thus make your travel dreams come true." Instead, you will be tethered like a dog on a short chain only as free as the length of your 120 volts AC umbilical, a denizen of crowded parks with other 120 volt junkies. You will be unable to visit the North Rim of the Grand Canyon and myriad othe National and State Parks in some of the most beautiful places in our great Nation. What would Wally say?

Besides, how many Airstreamers have ever died in their sleep from inhaling propane. The WBCCI membership roster is living proof that old Airstreamers never die.

Snap out of it, Lee! Wake up and smell the propane. You have just as great a chance of your wife dropping a 120 volt hair dryer in the bath tub while you are taking a bath as you do taking that eternal propane induced nap you fear.

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Old 02-12-2006, 01:10 PM   #5
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Gotta have a backup

Just thought, but the propane comsumers in the nearly 40 year old GT still work. Never had a problem with any leaks inside the coach.
If the idea of an untimely death by propane is a great concern close the valve at the tank.
You may find yourself way behind schedule, traffic, weather, breakdown, having to pull into a county park or even a Wal-Mart with no AC. You won't have to end up cold, or hungry with the stove hot and the furnace warm.
Been there, done that.
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Old 02-12-2006, 01:27 PM   #6
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Being careful!

If you're very, very careful, nothing will happen to you,-------good or bad!

A ship is very safe in the harbor-------but that's not why they built the ship!

Some caution is good, but you and your wife are going way overboard.

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Old 02-12-2006, 02:06 PM   #7
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Lee,

I think you are overly paranoid. Have your LP lines and appliances checked by a qualifled service tech. Then install a couple of propane detectors at or near the floor of your TT. They are very sensitive and will warn you of any leak. Plus, the odorant in the LP is strong enough to wake the dead if it is leaking!

Also, the economics and logistics involved in converting your trailer to an all electric coach are huge, with major battery banks, inverters, generators, etc.

Just get your propane system certified and sleep well at night under the stars without another soul in sight. That's the true spirit of Airstreaming.
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Old 02-12-2006, 02:38 PM   #8
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Sell the trailer. Stay home. Lock the door. Get a gun. Order in. Get a gas mask.
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Old 02-12-2006, 05:56 PM   #9
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Smile Don't give up! Propane is a good thing!

Lee, seriously as a 4th generation professional worrier and mother I feel ya on this, when I'm hearing the h/w heater flame come on, the univolt buzz, etc. I can follow that scary train of thought for a bit... you know but you can think of good things to balance that out, what fun you have camping, how great your campsite is? How good those biscuits taste coming out of that propane oven...hmmmm
But I gotta say that it gives me peace of mind to know that the stuff is inspected and maintained. Perhaps it will put your mind at ease to have the furnace, stove, h/w heater, fridge professionally inspected/maintained?
Whatever decision you make is the right one for you! Good luck!
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Old 02-12-2006, 06:37 PM   #10
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I once saw a travel trailer with the gas bottles removed and a generator mounted in their place. I guess they decided to go total electric.
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Old 02-12-2006, 07:18 PM   #11
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GREAT!! Then you either have to carry around a gasoline tank (not the safest fuel out there) or you still need propane to fuel the generator. Just stick with the LP appliances and heve them properly inspected and maintained!
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Old 02-15-2006, 12:36 AM   #12
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I agree with the majority here. 80% of the propane lines are outside the trailer first thing. So any leak that MAY happen will most likely be outside. Second have the appliances thoroughly checked out by a certified tech. Third, get a propane detector.

IF you really want to switch out all of the propane appliances for electric go for it but, it will reduce the resale value and limit your choice of camping spots.

Chris

PS - switching out the old lines for new will cost less than replacing the appliances.
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Old 02-15-2006, 05:13 AM   #13
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Emergency Shelter

Also - Just a thought -

I don't know where you store your Bauxite Beauty, but in a disaster (power lines down) you can use her as an emergency shelter. Propane will give you heat and cooking ability and refrigeration. No power lines, no electricity unless you buy a generator.

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Old 02-15-2006, 07:59 AM   #14
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I don't always catch everything on the threads so forgive me if this has been said, but here goes. When I sometimes don't have enough amps to run my A/C on a hot summer day due to a borderline power capacity at the RV Park, how can you get along cooking, heating water, running the fridge, and the A/C?

That being said, the first time I ever camped in anything other than a tent I borrowed a pickup camper from a friend. When I tried to light the water heater I had a minor explosion that scared the daylights out of me. The tank was leaking and when I lit the match to light the water heater adjacent to the propane bottle--BOOM!

Just be cautious, safety conscious, keep everything maintained, and enjoy your Airstream the way it was built.

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Old 02-15-2006, 08:38 AM   #15
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Lee,

If you have a fear, act on it. If you do not like propane, get rid of it.

I cook, dry clothes and heat water at home with propane, that is the way my wonderful wife wants it. If Momma ain't happy, nobody's happy.

Life is too short to live with somthing you do not feel comfortable with. Make the adjustment, it will not be too difficult.

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Old 02-15-2006, 01:34 PM   #16
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Once again, The Fuel Cell

If the Fuel Cell were available today, it would provide an all electric environment for any recreational vehicle. However the issue remains that something still needs to fuel it. Which could be propane or hydrogen. Until the solid oxide fuel sources are worked out or perfected and made available, a gaseous fuel will still be required to make the thing work. But if you're planning to just hang out at electrified locations only, then an all electric trailer can be yours.
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Old 02-19-2006, 07:13 PM   #17
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Just my 2 cents worth here:

My trailer is a '63 and the copper gas lines are about in the same condition as they where in some 40 years ago. The 43 year old 110v wiring actually worried me more.

My local RV service center will check out the propane system for 1-2 hours of labor (so about $130) total, which is about the price for a used 110v minifridge.

The nice thing about propane, is that its heavy and stinky.
So in the event of a leak, it will stay near the floor if the leak is inside.
The lines should be run under the trailer, so a leak there will just vent away.
If you do get a leak inside, your nose will wake you pretty fast, aslo there are gas dectors that will go off with a dog fart (yes I have a boxer )

The most likey reason to wake up dead when using gas is carbon monoxide, which is the bigger killer in RVs Boats and houses, and scares the hell out of me personally.

I recently "installed" (ie screwed into the wall) a combination fire and carbon monoxide detectore from home depot that ran about $35. Its battery powered and wil allert you before the battery dies, so its seperate from the trailer power.

IMHO you will spend far less by having a pro check out and maintain your gas system than you would in converting everything to electric.
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The biggest problem you will have is that your trailer is limited to 3600 watts of power.

A furnace would more than consume that much by itself. A water heater will consume another 1500 to 1800 watts. If you ran just some of the electric equipment that you mentioned, you wll not have any power left for any lights.

If propane is that much of a worry, then we would suggest that you forget about RVing, and it's enjoyment.

Propane is very safe, but don't "assume".

Have the system checked out and serfviced by a dealer. Make sure that dealer also tells you the LPG pressure within your Airstream. If they don't know what your talking about, then find another dealer.

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The biggest problem you will have is that your trailer is limited to 3600 watts of power.

A furnace would more than consume that much by itself. A water heater will consume another 1500 to 1800 watts. If you ran just some of the electric equipment that you mentioned, you wll not have any power left for any lights.

If propane is that much of a worry, then we would suggest that you forget about RVing, and it's enjoyment.

Propane is very safe, but don't "assume".

Have the system checked out and serfviced by a dealer. Make sure that dealer also tells you the LPG pressure within your Airstream. If they don't know what your talking about, then find another dealer.

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Andy,

Good advice but quality service is in no way limited to a 'dealer'. I have spent considerable time and expense to get an RVIA/RVDA Master Tech certification as well as a Florida Propane installers license and several 'factory authorized' service center designations. There are many 'dealers' out there that don't have the certifications and qualifications for their service people that I have simply because they don't have the time or desire to get them, nor do they feel that it's necessary! I have had several poor experiences with dealer techs that led me to get these qualifications and go into the RV service business solely to offer quality service to those interested.

When seeking service, ask questions about the qualifications and experience of the service techs and be certain that the level of service and professionalism is what you are looking for.
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You are absolutely correct.

A dealers reputation is one thing, a techs knowledge and experience, is the long run issue, and preference.

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