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Old 12-15-2005, 08:19 AM   #81
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Peter, I completely understand your thoughts. I'm just happy to see something new come from the International.....anything that just shows that someone wants to stir the pot and that there is some thinking process beyond issues of when you wear red jackets.

From my viewpoint this is a make or break year for our local unit. We've been netting one new member a year for the past few years and we gotten pretty stale. This is in contrast to a local dealer who sells more Airstream trailers than any dealer in the country. Obviously we are not doing the job on retention since the folks doing the recruiting get the name of every new Airstream owner.

Our new president wants to shake things up, and to do that our youngest member couple and Patty and I volunteered to do two rallys which counter the old school way's of what we have done in the past. We will see who shows but I can guarantee you that my rally will have no 7:30 AM breakfast nor will we have the mandatory 4:00 PM social hour where everyone is encouraged to bring a snack to share. I also am breaking a few other unit traditions with the absence of a unit business meeting.

I'll either be an outcast after this or maybe a new core of membership who will ask for more of this new style.

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Old 12-15-2005, 08:30 AM   #82
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.....From my viewpoint this is a make or break year for our local unit. We've been netting one new member a year for the past few years and we gotten pretty stale. This is in contrast to a local dealer who sells more Airstream trailers than any dealer in the country. Obviously we are not doing the job on retention since the folks doing the recruiting get the name of every new Airstream owner. ....


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Not sure if you meant to but I think this is a very crucial point in the thinking of changing the name. Where is the best place to promot joining the "Club" to people who have NO idead of the history....yet. But as a saleperson it is a pretty hard sell if the name of the clube does not have the name of the product in it - a little different view point from my early post and sports names.

Quick sales folks that is what our society is about - so to explain WBCC
I might be a tall order - but pop the name of the rig you just bought in their now you have touch on a good cord with the new owners - something they can immediately relate too.

Then if people would just shut up about all the crapy things in this club and those into camping and what not - volunteer to be that new persons buddy - and the two of you go camping - then three then four and so on. Then you can let them make up their minds once they get to a big Rally.

Instead of saying this is crap - say we are working on making the club/unit more fun for people our age group and with various interests - and get them in the fold right away - the NEW fold that is.
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And the survey says...

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We had the opportunity to camp with many unit members at our forum rally in Otisville. I did get involved with that. A lot of our Northern unit resides in Florida this time of year. There is even a luncheon there. But come spring if there is not a conflict with our trips I hope to hookup with them again.
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Old 12-15-2005, 09:00 AM   #84
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Instead of saying this is crap - say we are working on making the club/unit more fun for people our age group and with various interests - and get them in the fold right away - the NEW fold that is.
That's my key point to our folks. Our local WBCCI rally structure is so ridged and formal that those who volunteer are tired both from the setup and planning to the execution required once they get to the rally. The older folks are tired since they shoulder the burden and get tired of dealing with the structure that the rally format has evolved to, and the younger members don't want any part of it. What should be fun becomes a chore.

You soon learn that if you do volunteer, you get paired up with an old timer who shows you "how to do a rally", and it goes on and on. Most of the new folk soon learn that you better not show up at the next few rallys since you will get that call to be the next sponsor. I told my folks that I wasn't interested unless I got to call the shots and do the rally the way I wanted. Hence my call for the coming year.

I've told them that as a working person, a rally is a mini vacation for me. That means no hard schedule, no awaking at dawn and nobody calling me on the cell phone asking me "where are you and why aren't we at the social hour?" (yes that has happened to me)...and the inevitable tours to the local points of interest.

That's what is so fun about the Forum rallies is that while we are there for the fellowship, same as WBCCI, none of us have that expectation that we need to be entertained, directed, or fed. Yea, we have a slight bit of organization but I can tell you that I've never been to a WBCCI rally that sat around a campfire and showed movies on the side of a vintage trailer, by means of an LCD projector and lap top computer, with another attendee poping pop corn for everyone in their microwave.

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Old 12-15-2005, 09:01 AM   #85
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Those who chose not to respond to the survey can't complain that they had no input. I welcomed the fact that leadership attempted to get the pulse of the membership.

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I still can't find a smidgeon of this information anywhere. I usually read the Beret, mostly in the hope that the new issue might have anything exciting in it.
Your phrase "chose not to respond" puzzles me.
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I still can't find a smidgeon of this information anywhere. I usually read the Beret, mostly in the hope that the new issue might have anything exciting in it.
Your phrase "chose not to respond" puzzles me.
That survey was a couple of pages to be detached and mailed in. Someone who remembers correct me, but I believe it came out in 2004. As a matter of fact there was a Blue Beret issue that dealt with the survey results in a generic fashion. I remember that International is willing to share the results in a paper format if you buy it from them. I sent them an email requesting as to why they couldn't post it on the web site in order to share the results with more people.

My phase "chose not to respond" was exactly that. They asked us to fill out the survey and mail it back to Jackson Center. I assume that those who saw it and didn't return it "chose not to respond". From what I had heard the response was fairly significant, although I don't know the actual numbers.

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Jack, come to a WDCU unit rally

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All we do is sit around a fire, talk, laugh, and watch movies! Very, very, laid back! Heck, one of our members even wears a Wally Byam bandana! Mostly all the illegal WBCCI baseball caps too! Not many berets, although we do have them!
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Old 12-15-2005, 10:09 AM   #88
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You know, it's funny, I've been following this thread closely. What I've gotten out of it, and I truly mean no disrespect to anyone on this board at all, is that you can tell a person's politics and whether he/she has ever been in the military, just by reading the post.

My opinion is that if you don't like the way the WBCCI is conducting its business, ie wearing the blue beret, or organizing rallies or whatever it is that requires volunteering, and if you don't like the name of the club, then START YOUR OWN CLUB!!!!! This board has over 10,000 members now. Don't you think that there are enough like-minded individuals here to form their own faction/group/club/whatever you want to call it?

Who cares if the club is official or not. What constitutes a club anyway? It's a group of people with like interests getting together to share in each others' lives. Does it really have to be sanctioned by Airstream for you to feel like it's a club? Okay, so you've paid your dues to the WBCCI for the year and you're dissatisfied with it. I'm sure that there are others in your chapter who feel the same way as you do.

The answer is to go renegade. What's to stop you from calling the others and saying, "Hey Bob, I'm thinking of having a weekend gettogether, call some of the others and we'll meet at (you fill in the blank)". What's the WBCCI going to do? Boot you out of their club? Wah, you aren't happy with it anyway, so who gives a hoot? As long as you're with like-minded people, then everything is groovy.

Let those who want to hang on to the nostalgia of yesteryear do so, and stop trying to make them change, because you're unhappy with the way things are. You know the saying: You can't teach an old dog new tricks.

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I joined WBCCI and VAC when I began to restore/repair vintage Airstreams as a hobby. The hobby turned into a (very) small business and I hoped to advertise in both the Blue Beret and the VAC Newsletter. Turns out that the rates charged would have been more than I could possibly justify and the readership of both publications were NOT anywhere close to my location in Washington state. Then, 6 months after I joined, I began receiving dues notices. Neither club had bothered to mention that dues are due in July no matter what time of year you join. So, for my "investment", I received 6 Blue Berets filled with rally schedules nowhere near here, details of intra-club doings, and two VAC newsletters (which were much more interesting). When I complained to WBCCI about this I received no reply. The president of the VAC responded with a vile email about how they could not possibly be expected to prorate memberships month to month. So, change your name if you wish - but until you get the message of "customer service" you're still in trouble. In our area, we have lots of vintage Airstream owners, many of which are my previous customers, and we try to gather at least once a year for a very informal and fun time. We are trying arrange something for July in the Salem area about the same time as the national rally. If we get it together, we'll let you know where so you vintage owners can come visit. Darol
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I have to agree with Darol on this one. When I joined with my 'Free' membership for buying a trailer, it was April, I think. I started gettin renewal notices in July! July! I had only been in the club 3 months, and they were asking me to pony up $70. Well, I refused, I wasn't sure I wanted to spend $70 a year to be in the club. Come November I finally relented and decided to try it for one more year, and again last year. But they almost lost me that first year, just because of a stupid rule about membership dues.

I still don't understand why the free membership with purchase of an Airstream didn't work out. I think that would have been a good way to get people to get their feet wet in the club. As long as there's something in the club to keep them.

I don't think change in the WBCCI is a matter of 'love it or leave it'. That's just un-American (no offence to international members). The club IS the people who are in it, and it should evolve to fit their new needs. I haven't heard any of the long-time members of our unit complaining about the changes. The trick is to make changes that everyone can enjoy.
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We just sort of evolved.......

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then START YOUR OWN CLUB!!!!! This board has over 10,000 members now. Don't you think that there are enough like-minded individuals here to form their own faction/group/club/whatever you want to call it?

Who cares if the club is official or not. What constitutes a club anyway? It's a group of people with like interests getting together to share in each others' lives. Does it really have to be sanctioned by Airstream for you to feel like it's a club? Okay, so you've paid your dues to the WBCCI for the year and you're dissatisfied with it. I'm sure that there are others in your chapter who feel the same way as you do.

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I guess the point is do we need another one? I consider the Forum a club in its own right. When we get together we are an organization as such. No red coats and no funny hats. Obviously a common symbol to recognize us is really all we need...and we will save that for another thread.

Unfortunately as an organization grows, the more rules they have to make to keep things organized....and folks then lament for the good old days when things were simple.

I asked one of the old timers if the rallys were always like they are today. He said , oh no, we used to go out to a local park and just sit out and build a campfire and the kids played together. We just sort of evolved to where we are today.

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The old-timers in my club have said the exact same thing. Now we just want the same sort of rallys they had when they were our age!
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Let those who want to hang on to the nostalgia of yesteryear do so, and stop trying to make them change, because you're unhappy with the way things are. You know the saying: You can't teach an old dog new tricks.
Well, I agree with you! However, I believe what has come out in this thread is that WBCCI has decided to change this long-standing name in an effort to attract new members. And, the concensus seems to be that, until the young pups come in, take over, and make some changes, the name change will mean nothing.

I think the Forums are the start of a more loosely-associated club that, when they get together for a rally, are more like the original Wally Byam Club.
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Our dues notices go out in October and you have to re-up by the end of November to have your name in the WBCCI directory and our unit directory. I can't fathom sending out dues notices in July.
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Like Forrest Gump said "...and that's all I gotta say about that."

This one has gone round and round and round and round.

If you want my opinion, use the search feature because I don't want to offend the WBCCI faithful on this forum (again) because I like most of the WBCCI folks I've met and spoken with individually on this forum. I just don't agree with the basics of the main orginization.

How's that for being PC.....did someone say Karma?
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Twink, I figured you must have been away on vacation! A WBCCI thread just isn't the same without you (it's so much more peaceful JUST KIDDING)
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Use the schwartz urr um search button Lonestar..... either that or click on one of the "similar" threads at the bottom of this thread.....we now return you to your regularly scheduled program........
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Love the Forum club, but no "red coats- no funny hats" !!!!!!!!!!
How we gonna recognize one another? I think we should poll the membership on this!
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Love the Forum club, but no "red coats- no funny hats" !!!!!!!!!!
How we gonna recognize one another? I think we should poll the membership on this!
I agree, it should be funny coats and red hats.
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