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12-28-2011, 01:43 PM
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#841
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Rivet Master
Airstream - Other
2016 Interstate Grand Tour Ext
Bosque Farms
, New Mexico
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 7,029
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Thank you for the info, Gene! You can, however, bet that I won't be burying myself in Robert's Rules and all the rest -- unless, of course, it's available for free as an ebook. (Please don't look. If you find it so available, then I'll be obliged to have to read it, and I don't want to.)
I did look back at the IBT docket this morning and found that the unseconded motion is one to amend the previous motion from last summer. I don't worry too much about it being unseconded since there are several people around who might do so. The only problem I have with with my memory: I don't recall a motion per se of this kind from last summer.
Lynn
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12-28-2011, 02:00 PM
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#842
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari SS SE
1969 27' Overlander
Martinez
, Georgia
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 759
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The Motorhome Amendment is a proposed change to the Constitution. The IBT can choose to bring these items to the Units for a vote (through the delegates meeting at international) OR they can choose NOT to take it to the membership. This was a recommendation from a special committee.
Amendments brought forward by a Unit, through their Region, must be brought to the Units (delegates meeting vote).
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WBCCI # 3518
TAC# GA-6
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12-28-2011, 02:28 PM
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#843
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,711
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eubank
Thank you for the info, Gene! You can, however, bet that I won't be burying myself in Robert's Rules and all the rest -- unless, of course, it's available for free as an ebook. (Please don't look. If you find it so available, then I'll be obliged to have to read it, and I don't want to.)
Lynn
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Lynn, no one can resist the "one forbidden thing":
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...YA6fwRfrL9DxWQ
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...xrOXajmdkMmVpQ
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...8ahdQCnruqcC3Q
These are just a few of the free resources available. The first 2 are free e-books. The last one is a free training video. Now all say "Point of Order, Mr. Chairman!". Google "free robert's rules" and you'll get a lot more.
Gene
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12-28-2011, 04:17 PM
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#844
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Rivet Master
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,803
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Open to all
Not that I would ever think of making a mockery of the WBCCI International , but during the amendment process it’s opened up to the floor to make changes to the wording as the Delegates see fit before voting.
May I suggest, a Delegate ask for the wording to be changed to include all makers of travel trailers, class A, B and C’s and any vintage trailer/coach/home unit made older than 25 years and another Delegate second it.
If we are going to open this club up, let’s do it right!
Enjoy,
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12-28-2011, 04:19 PM
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#845
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Rivet Master
1961 24' Tradewind
1969 29' Ambassador
1970 21' Globetrotter
Jamestown
, Tennessee
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,783
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Confused
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coloradobus
Tim,
Great letter. I got three responses from mine. One, was from Barry Heckensweiler
"Jim
I agree that the Airstream is an icon.
The motion to allow other brands into WBCCI is in the Delegates hands.
They will be asked to vote on June 30 2012 at the Delegates meeting.
I as President of WBCCI and have one vote just like you. I vote with
my unit and the Delegate represents the unit at the meeting.
Have a great Holiday
Barry"
The two other responses, were:
Two Region Presidents are on our side. No MoHo
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I am confused: The letter above states the delegates will be voting on it in June.
As I understand it, the motion in its present form goes before the IBT in January. Do they not have the power to vote it down so it does not go forward to the delegates?? Or is it a foregone conclusion they will pass it and we will have another 6 months of this before it is killed at the delegate level in June. Or will it be going forward in the original form limited to life time members?
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Rick Davis 1602 K8DOC
61 tradewind, plus a few others
13 Ram 2500 TD
99 Dodge TD 577K miles
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12-28-2011, 04:55 PM
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#846
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Rivet Master
Airstream - Other
2016 Interstate Grand Tour Ext
Bosque Farms
, New Mexico
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 7,029
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Gee, thanks, Gene. Just what I wanted. (I downloaded a copy, and maybe I'll even get around to sticking it into the Kindle one of these days.)
Lynn
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12-28-2011, 08:52 PM
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#847
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Rivet Master
Southwestern
, Ohio
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,671
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CrawfordGene
The amendment makes little sense to me and if it were up to me, it should be buried. But the main point was that it distracts from efforts to reform the club and people who care about the WBCCI should not let themselves get diverted.
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I would say that the main effect of repetition of this unpopular proposition is to convert people who care about the WBCCI into people who no longer care about the WBCCI. It's having that effect on me, anyway.
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12-28-2011, 09:08 PM
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#848
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Rivet Master
1977 27' Overlander
1954 25' Cruiser
1990 34.5' Airstream 345
VC Highlands
, Nevada
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,151
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Nuvi - I think you are right.....
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12-29-2011, 04:51 AM
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#849
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Rivet Master
1977 31' Sovereign
1963 26' Overlander
1989 34' Excella
Johnsburg
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,944
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Just as the Revised Constitution was an amendment from a presidential special committee, the SOB moho is also a special committee proposal. Last year, Norm Beu pulled the Revised Constitution at the last moment, before the delegates' meeting. The IBT has the power to not advance the moho or to pull it at any time they desire. Given the negative effects it is having on the club, I can not understand why they do not pull it. It must be they see it as more important to them than the health and preservation of the club.
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12-29-2011, 08:03 AM
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#850
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Silver Mist
Currently Looking...
Riverhead
, New York
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,011
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The IBT didn't pull the Revision, it wasn't their motion it was Norm's.
The MHO issue is the IBT's, it was brought by one RP voted on to move forward (and passed) it was proposed for a vote in '12, this is only an amendment to that same proposal from last June.
Rather than this amendment being made at the mid winter it could have been made at the delegates meeting without advance notice.
What you folks should be doing is working within your unit and RP to vote it down that's the way it will happen not asking the IBT to withdraw it, that will not happen.
You also should be sure other units that are not attending have an associate member cast their votes rather than simply not showing up.
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12-29-2011, 03:01 PM
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#851
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Rivet Master
1977 31' Sovereign
1963 26' Overlander
1989 34' Excella
Johnsburg
, Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,944
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Like I said above, "Norm pulled the motion for a vote on the Revised Constitution. Since the special committee that wrote it was apointed by him, only he could stop it. Since the MOHO amendment is a result of a special MOHO committee, voted on by the IBT, only the IBT has the ability to pull it. If enough members make enough noise to persuade the majority of the Region Presidents between now and June, the IBT can pull it. For the survival of the club is should be pulled sooner than later. Email your Region President as soon as you can, so we can stop this lunacy.
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12-29-2011, 03:07 PM
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#852
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Silver Mist
Currently Looking...
Riverhead
, New York
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dwightdi
If enough members make enough noise to persuade the majority of the Region Presidents between now and June, the IBT can pull it
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Not 100% sure that can be done, it was passed and I believe scheduled to be on the agenda.
You have a better shot getting the NO votes from the units.
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12-29-2011, 03:26 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer
, Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,080
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It sounded to me on the last simulcast of July 5th that they agreed to put the motion forward at the Mid-Winter meeting but with changes in the motion and wording to be determined before then. They can and must be still working in the interim so I wonder who all knows what will or will not be presented. However, it would seem that a highly motivated parliamentarian with the acceptance and approval of the IP that makes the final call of legitimacy of interpretation could find a reason or two to pull it...that's if they wanted to. But I don't think that they want to. Even those against it may be anxious to absolve themselves from culpability in the matter by merely passing it along to the units for memberships' decision. It keeps their "all about friends" friends off their back and doesn't require they agree or disagree with those pushing the hardest on them for it. Most don't truly believe it will be more than moot once it gets to unit level for their decision, imo. This seems a dereliction of duty for the officers and causes stagnation in regard to attending to matters of the club. The harm of controversy and inaction has taken a numbers toll and continues to do so on WBCCI membership and appears to be deserving of an ethics code violation by my understanding of the code's description.
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12-29-2011, 03:37 PM
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#854
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Silver Mist
Currently Looking...
Riverhead
, New York
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wheel interested
ethics code violation by my understanding of the code's description.
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How so care to elaborate?
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12-29-2011, 03:42 PM
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#855
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Rivet Master
2007 23' International CCD
Lapeer
, Michigan
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,080
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no Bob. One must make their own determinations as was clearly the case when formerly applied. As clearly demonstrated in the recent past, therein lies quite a lot of wiggle room for interpretation and application. It also helps to have friends in high places. Does it not?
CODE OF ETHICS
To be ever mindful of our responsibility to Wally Byam Caravan Club International, Inc., and through conduct, indicate to the public that membership in this organization is an assurance of our courtesy on the road and good will to all peoples and countries.
To be ever mindful of what we say or print with respect to the affect on others so as to avoid disharmony and ill feelings among club members and to dedicate ourselves to the work of cementing together the members of WBCCI in bonds of good fellowship and mutual understanding.
To conduct ourselves in a manner to inspire others engaged in recreational vehicle travel to a full appreciation of the intent and meaning of this code.
To maintain our camps in an orderly manner and leave them in the same way.
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12-29-2011, 08:12 PM
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#856
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Rivet Master
Aurora
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 645
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At mid-winter IBT meeting anyone on the board can move to "reconsider" the MOHO motion. From there, the entire motion could go away, but from what I've been told, June Ryan, Treasurer, is instead going to move to amend the motion so that anyone can join with any brand of Thor motorhome. The question for the parliamentarian then would be, can Ryan do that? The answer is yes, but only with some parliamentarian maneuvering.
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Forrest
Out for coffee!
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12-29-2011, 08:19 PM
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#857
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Rivet Master
1979 23' Safari
1954 29' Liner
Orange
, California
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,850
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If that happens, and that is probably a good bet, then perhaps there will be enough cool heads on the IBT to vote the change down and hopefully the amendment also.
Bill
Quote:
Originally Posted by Forrest
At mid-winter IBT meeting anyone on the board can move to "reconsider" the MOHO motion. From there, the entire motion could go away, but from what I've been told, June Ryan, Treasurer, is instead going to move to amend the motion so that anyone can join with any brand of Thor motorhome. The question for the parliamentarian then would be, can Ryan do that? The answer is yes, but only with some parliamentarian maneuvering.
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Just my personal opinion
1973 Dodge W200 PowerWagon, 1977 Lincoln Continental, 2014 Dodge Durango
1979 23' Safari, and 1954 29' Double Door Liner Orange, CA
https://billbethsblog.blogspot.com/
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12-30-2011, 07:26 AM
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#858
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Rivet Master
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,803
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Once again, the IBT/EC7 members using their powers to run the club in their best interest while using your cash to run around the country to do so.
So let's think about. How many folks will not "re-up" their membership because of the constant crap like this? How many will not join the club because they keep seeing the constant crap-festival between the IBT/EC7 and the general membership?
I'm sure all the leaders of this club are very nice people, but as a group they stink when it comes to running the club in the best interest of its general membership and not the IBT/EC7's best interest.
They will continue to beat the membership down until they get this through, like it or not. The question becomes, how long will members keep funding the WBCCI IBT/EC7 USA tour until they do so?
Enjoy,
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Paul Waddell
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12-30-2011, 08:09 AM
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#859
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,711
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The usual procedure is that only someone who voted for a motion can move to reconsider.
The ethics code's says to "avoid disharmony". That's the same language China uses to put dissenters in prison.
Gene
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