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Old 11-02-2010, 08:22 PM   #41
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I hope you will visit us again sometime, Alan. There are several of us who love your rallies and would welcome you to the Top of Ga. Change, with respect for our traditions, is in progress. That doesn't mean SOB Motorhomes.

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Old 11-05-2010, 02:42 PM   #42
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Don't want to be controversial here () but right before Airstream stopped producing mohos I was in Jackson Center having some work done. There was a nice couple with one of the new motor homes (square box fiberglass style) having warranty work done... for the third or fourth time! One of their big issues was that the windshield had cracked AGAIN, and that the had more leaks AGAIN. As it turned out, the television mounted above the drivers window was too heavy for the frame and it's vibration was cracking the windshield and creating leaks in the roof and around adjacent seams, etc. The TV was a CRT - this was before flat screens became reasonably priced. There were also unrelated leak problems.

They'd been there 4 or 5 days when I arrived, and were thoroughly disgusted with the build quality of the moho. They'd bought expecting a Prevost like experience and had one issue after another. By that time they felt that if Airstream couldn't fix the problems for good and all, Airstream should send a driver to pick up the moho, drive it to the factory, and return it and absorb all of those costs too.

The repairs were going to take over 2 weeks. The angry owners got boxes, packed all of their stuff and shipped it home, and told me they were putting it up for sale immediately. They'd decided to buy a Prevost. I dare say it would be grossly unfair to judge the quality of the whole line of mohos by that one story... but have you ever looked on ebay or our classifieds to see what the later model mohos sell for? Depreciation isn't even the word for it.

Airstream has enough quality issues with their trailers - deciding to stop making mohos at least gave them the CHANCE to concentrate on refining the design problems with their trailers. (That they haven't followed through as much as they should have... is a separate issue.)

I saw the prototype model for a new moho - and frankly if "Airstream" ever decides to build one I HOPE they outsource it to a company that specializes in manufacturing mohos, and does it right.

Maybe they should get the local Honda generator plant to teach Q.C. on their trailer production line!

(Shameless self promotion combined with analysis of what "QC" costs) I am one of two owners of a company called Answer Center - we are a small company but we've won national recognition for quality for the last six years running. I've got to tell you it isn't cheap, and it isn't easy to achieve. It's also a never ending pain in the tookus effort. The old saying:

People don't do what you expect, they do what you INSPECT!

certainly applies. Only the smallest minority of people will do excellent work if they aren't supervised into it, and rewarded for it. We also have to FIRE real lugheads from time to time to "convince and remind" the rest of the workforce just how serious we are about quality.

My pragmatic side says that for the answering service industry - our customers use us every single day and every call we handle correctly is likely to result in a sale for the customer - so being a QC freak works!

The problem with Airstreams is that they ARE yard art for a lot of folks. I know of three within a 20 mile radius that haven't moved in years. If they're going to rot in the yard, why make them better?

Of course there is one good set of proofs Airstream should consider - Casita. Casitas depreciate $500 per year. So? So why bother looking for a "gently used" one? My sister wants one, and there is a waiting list MONTHS LONG to get one - in a recession - with NO dealer network and little advertising. Ever seen one at an RV show? You have to drive to the "hatchery" and pick it up. If you want it delivered, you find a transport company or a driver and you pay for that. Build it BETTER and they will come!

Would I wait months for an Airstream with guaranteed sealed seams, filoform solved, a Nyloboard floor and a sturdy frame that wouldn't pop rivets if you hit a pothole? Why yes I would.

Will I ever buy a third new Airstream? Only one of two ways:
  1. they build them better
  2. or I win a lottery and the money is totally not an object...
Even then I'd spend scads to have the factory custom build one with a heavy duty frame, nyloboard floor... etc. Think the factory won't do it? MONEY TALKS especially in a recession. If they wouldn't do it, P & S trailer would probably take say $150K to buy a shell and do it "my way".

OK, back to the real world. Adios and happy trails.

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Old 11-05-2010, 02:56 PM   #43
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so I said to myself... self I said...

I think I just talked myself into taking "Foiled Again" to P & S Trailer for a remodel. Now where will I live while that happens?

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I think I just talked myself into taking "Foiled Again" to P & S Trailer for a remodel. Now where will I live while that happens?

Maybe you should rent a Motorhome. Just to try it out you see.
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Old 11-07-2010, 07:07 AM   #45
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Maybe you should rent a Motorhome. Just to try it out you see.
So I don't pollute the other thread you posted on;
We get the MOHO thing, most of us would say we like Airstream motorhomes. What we don't want is the oldest single brand RV club filled with non-airstream products. I don't pick up on the "Motorhomes are horrible" thing on this thread as you stated in your post on the membership thread. This is an Airstream product vs a non-airstream product issue.
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I'm one of the "solid against" for non-AS mohos in the WBCCI.

That said, a couple of the perspectives offered in this thread do make things a bit more complicated.

Ok, if AS were simply to stick an AS badge on somebody else's moho, I'd kick and scream. No dice.

But if AS buys an empty shell, completely does the interior and some exterior, and sells it as an AS, what then? It'd be kind of on par with the B-van, no?

I guess the question is not quite as black-and-white as I'd imagined it. And ultimately boils down to making fine distinctions on a scale: Just how much of the new moho must be of AS origin for us then to accept it into the club?

All I can say at this point is this: For me, it'd better be primarily an AS product. A whole lot of primarily.


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Ok, if AS were simply to stick an AS badge on somebody else's moho, I'd kick and scream. No dice.

But if AS buys an empty shell, completely does the interior and some exterior, and sells it as an AS, what then? It'd be kind of on par with the B-van, no?



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I agree, rebadge a Thor, no deal. Fill a shell with Airstream, title it as an Airstream and service available by Airstream its then all good.
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I'm one of the "solid against" for non-AS mohos in the WBCCI.

That said, a couple of the perspectives offered in this thread do make things a bit more complicated.

Ok, if AS were simply to stick an AS badge on somebody else's moho, I'd kick and scream. No dice.

But if AS buys an empty shell, completely does the interior and some exterior, and sells it as an AS, what then? It'd be kind of on par with the B-van, no?


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I agree completely with all of these statements.

I cannot imagine Airstream simply sticking their name onto someone else's motorhome product. Why on earth would they do that? It wouldn't be an Airstream.

As B-Van owners, we consider ourselves an Airstream, and that is the name on the front of our vehicle.


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AS has little to say, THOR is the real mother ship and has all the power. If they choose to rebadge another Thor product as an AS we can like it or not. zz
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AS has little to say, THOR is the real mother ship and has all the power. If they choose to rebadge another Thor product as an AS we can like it or not. zz
Yes, you're right on this, but it still seems rather unfathomable to me that they would do this. It wouldn't be an Airstream.


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Not necessarily, each Thor division is run independently. Rebadging one division's product to another division also creates warranty issues.

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Larry Huttle, at the Sugarcreek Rally.said they would take a partially finished motorhome and finish some of the interior at Jackson Center and sell it through the Airstream dealers with Airstream warrentee and service. They will do only if there were sufficient interest to be able to make it economically viable. He was not specific on just how many units it would take to make it worthwhile.
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There is an IBT meeting in Robeston, TX January 24-28. I am driving 1700 miles one way to represent Region 3's interest. I will vote on issues there the way my region has expressed their concerns to me. I would encouorage anyone that has a view on whatever subject to let your Region President know your views. I put my name and how to contact me on the region site and make no effort to hide it from anyone, but the number of communications I get regarding IBT issues are few and far between. The contact that I have had within Region 3 is that if it is an Airstream then we welcome it to the club. If not an Airstream then it belongs somewhere else. That is how I will vote on the issue unless directed to do otherwise. Contact your officers and let them know your feelings, you are the ones that elected them and they need to know your position.
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When will the meeting agenda and motions be available for the members to review? Other than the general comments and complaints about the club, the agenda will allow members to focus their comments on the business before the IBT.

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There is an IBT meeting in Robeston, TX January 24-28. I am driving 1700 miles one way to represent Region 3's interest. I will vote on issues there the way my region has expressed their concerns to me. I would encouorage anyone that has a view on whatever subject to let your Region President know your views. I put my name and how to contact me on the region site and make no effort to hide it from anyone, but the number of communications I get regarding IBT issues are few and far between. The contact that I have had within Region 3 is that if it is an Airstream then we welcome it to the club. If not an Airstream then it belongs somewhere else. That is how I will vote on the issue unless directed to do otherwise. Contact your officers and let them know your feelings, you are the ones that elected them and they need to know your position.
I wonder if Region 7 is listening to her membership? NO non-Airstreams, it is very simple.
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I am the proud owner of a '95 Classic Pusher and know that they really were the last of "true" AS mohos.... that being said I would be extremely interested if they were to consider coming out with a new Classic moho but they won't.... economics are simply against it for the big corporate bottom line. So, I also have a few investment buddies that are considering picking up where THOR left off about a decade or so ago with a lot of the advances since then incorporated. We'll see!
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Yes, you're right on this, but it still seems rather unfathomable to me that they would do this. It wouldn't be an Airstream.


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Hi, I agree with you, but there are and have been many motor vehicles that have been re-badged. Isuzu, re-badged as a Honda. Nissan, re-badged as a Mercury Villager. Ford Ranger re-badged as a Mazda B-2000. And the latest re-badge is a Chrysler mini-van, re-badged as a VW. [many more, I'm sure]
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Cool WBCCI MOHO issue

OK folks I have read with some interest this issue. I as you know, own a classic AS MOHO. In my MOHO escuderia the 310 is #13 RV. I have not owned an AS fiberglass unit, so am not that familiar with them. AS elected to stop making MOHOs in 2006 and I don't think the current economic climate will encourage them to start making motorized units again. Don't think the issue is something AS is considering seriously because of cost to manufacture and price point to market a unit.
Having served in the industry as a factory rep for several MOHO manufacturers, I know that the engineering necessary is very expensive and changes in the industry have been unreal since 2006. AS needs to carefully consider the demographics of the market, and if they do, the price of the unit alone will halt any move in that direction.
I do appreciate that we all love the AS look and the prestige that comes with owning an AS, but honestly, my 1984 310 is lacking compared to other units I owned of the same era. I have spent considerable time and money getting my 84 closer to a real MOHO. Given time, I will get it up to speed except for the tin can construction and poor insulation. Its OK for a 3 season camper but I expect a MOHO to be an all year round unit.
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I think this year AS has introduced a Chevy based class B MH, but still produces the MB based class B. zz
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