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Old 07-05-2011, 12:41 PM   #421
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Never one to let the opportunity to pass to make bad jokes on this meaty matter, let's get to the meat of the issue, perhaps meating at a "meet up" sometime before we meat our makers and bite into this. Over vegieburgers, let's chew the fat and spit out the chaff, mixing metaphors on Meatless Mondays. Once we cut the WBCCI's budget to the bone on these tendon-acious problems, we can muscle into IBT meatings and change it all.

Can we invite Lady Gaga to sing a song of motorhomes?

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Old 07-05-2011, 02:51 PM   #422
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Maybe we move this over to the ARGUE THREAD. Anything is allowed over there.

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Beef cake, lacivious expression (or not,) or just plain bologna aside, today's IBT simulcast had concern over the costs of motorhome owners becoming lifetime members to qualify for SOB moho member status and the lifetime membership fund going bankrupt as it now stands in the near future and projected to cost the club even more money as the amendment is currently worded, (subject to change however, before the delegates meeting.)
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:48 PM   #425
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Let's not forget the words of the MoHo committee,

"It was also suggested that if Thor motor homes were allowed in the club, the owners could not hold office in WBCCI, and, in fact, could only be affiliate members. The majority of this committee's members judged that to be extremely biased and prejudicial."

All you people who are opposed to opening the floodgates to non-Airstream products without restriction are "extremely biased and prejudicial." Now aren't you ashamed?!
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I have added "feeling ashamed" to my list of things to do and hope to get to it as time permits
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Might I suggest a self-flagellation rally where we can expunge our shame, bias, and prejudice as true MoHo penitents?
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Might I suggest a self-flagellation rally where we can expunge our shame, bias, and prejudice as true MoHo penitents?
Self flagellation can take many forms—may I suggest hitting yourself in the head with a dead fish:
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Can anyone who attended the last IBT meeting, or sat through the live streaming, tell me what they decided to do about the MoHo committee recommendation? Did they move to let Thor mohos into the club, and if so, any restrictions?
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(live streaming...) They voted 11-1 to bring it to the membership for a vote at the delegates meeting in 2012. The wording is subject to change, but it stands now as a current lifetime member qualifies to own any Thor Class A as a member in the WBCCI.
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Arrow Let's speak in terms of the facts

As proposed by June Ryan.


WBCCI Constitution, Article VI, be amended as follows:

Section 2 - Insert paragraph C as follows:
“Regular members who are Life Time Membership may, upon request, retain their membership as Regular Members if they replace their Airstream manufactured recreational vehicle with a Class A motor home manufactured by a division of Thor Industries, Inc. the parent company of Airstream, Inc,”
The existing paragraph C becomes paragraph D with the following changes:
Replace “manufactured by Airstream, Inc.” with “as defined in paragraphs B and C above”
The existing paragraph D becomes paragraph E.
The existing paragraph E becomes paragraph F.

Sec 4 after Airstream, Inc and before who, insert or a division of Thor Industries, Inc. the parent company of Airstream, Inc” and after Airstream, Inc. and before owned vehicle, insert “ or a Class A motor home as defined in this article”


Article VI would then read:

Sec. 2
C) Regular members who are Life Time Membership may, upon request, retain their membership as Regular Members if they replace their Airstream manufactured recreational vehicle with a Class A motor home manufactured by a division of Thor Industries, Inc. the parent company of Airstream, Inc,
D) Regular Members, who were in good standing when they sold their recreational vehicle as defined in paragraphs B and C above may, upon request, retain their membership as Regular Members, provided such members do not own another brand of recreational vehicle, except such Regular Members may own another brand of recreational vehicle that is parked in a permanent or semi-permanent location to be used by the members as a vacation facility or as a home.
E) Such Regular Members shall possess all the rights and privileges of the International Club, including the right to retain their membership number, except that those who have relinquished their membership number and are to be reinstated as regular Members in a Unit and the International Club shall be assigned a new membership number by International Headquarters.
F) A Unit shall not establish other requirements for an applicant to be a member of a Unit.

Sec. 4 Notwithstanding the requirement that ownership of a recreational vehicle, as defined in Section 1 of this Article, is a prerequisite for membership; not more than ten officers and employees of Airstream, Inc. or a division of Thor Industries, Inc. the parent company of Airstream, Inc, who do not own such a recreational vehicle, may be members at any one time, provided they have the use of such an Airstream, Inc. or a Class A motor home as defined in this article- owned vehicle in which to participate in International Club activities.
Rationale: RATIONALE We are losing members as their Airstream Motor homes age and become no longer road worthy. Not being able to purchase a qualified motor home they may choose to purchase another brand and drop their membership. If they are Life Members it would be a commitment to WBCCI.


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My fact was correct only less words. All current members would have an Airstream now. Thanks for posting the actual proposal. That is helpful. I don't think I had access to it, had to go from paying attention as I heard it. Or perhaps it is posted on the IBT site. When will the archived simulcasts be posted Bob?
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As proposed by June Ryan.


WBCCI Constitution, Article VI, be amended as follows:

Section 2 - Insert paragraph C as follows:
“Regular members who are Life Time Membership may, upon request, retain their membership as Regular Members if they replace their Airstream manufactured recreational vehicle with a Class A motor home manufactured by a division of Thor Industries, Inc. the parent company of Airstream, Inc,”
The existing paragraph C becomes paragraph D with the following changes:
Replace “manufactured by Airstream, Inc.” with “as defined in paragraphs B and C above”
The existing paragraph D becomes paragraph E.
The existing paragraph E becomes paragraph F.

Sec 4 after Airstream, Inc and before who, insert or a division of Thor Industries, Inc. the parent company of Airstream, Inc” and after Airstream, Inc. and before owned vehicle, insert “ or a Class A motor home as defined in this article”


Article VI would then read:

Sec. 2
C) Regular members who are Life Time Membership may, upon request, retain their membership as Regular Members if they replace their Airstream manufactured recreational vehicle with a Class A motor home manufactured by a division of Thor Industries, Inc. the parent company of Airstream, Inc,
D) Regular Members, who were in good standing when they sold their recreational vehicle as defined in paragraphs B and C above may, upon request, retain their membership as Regular Members, provided such members do not own another brand of recreational vehicle, except such Regular Members may own another brand of recreational vehicle that is parked in a permanent or semi-permanent location to be used by the members as a vacation facility or as a home.
E) Such Regular Members shall possess all the rights and privileges of the International Club, including the right to retain their membership number, except that those who have relinquished their membership number and are to be reinstated as regular Members in a Unit and the International Club shall be assigned a new membership number by International Headquarters.
F) A Unit shall not establish other requirements for an applicant to be a member of a Unit.

Sec. 4 Notwithstanding the requirement that ownership of a recreational vehicle, as defined in Section 1 of this Article, is a prerequisite for membership; not more than ten officers and employees of Airstream, Inc. or a division of Thor Industries, Inc. the parent company of Airstream, Inc, who do not own such a recreational vehicle, may be members at any one time, provided they have the use of such an Airstream, Inc. or a Class A motor home as defined in this article- owned vehicle in which to participate in International Club activities.
Rationale: RATIONALE We are losing members as their Airstream Motor homes age and become no longer road worthy. Not being able to purchase a qualified motor home they may choose to purchase another brand and drop their membership. If they are Life Members it would be a commitment to WBCCI.


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Blah blah, blah, Vote NO!
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:24 AM   #434
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There are plenty of low mileage Airstream motorhomes still out there. The "Boys" (PIP's) just want a "new" toy. It is all about wants and image and not needs. Those big monsters look down at us little trailers. The Jim's are unanimous about this. It will never end until we get our way or die.
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So, June Ryan is a Class A Airstream owner, huh.
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I think most on the motorhome committee are motorhome owners too but they failed to give the number of actual members that would want to avail themselves of this proposed change in membership requirements. There has to be someone or two mighty high up the pegs. They speak of lost members but give no statistics. For an initiative that has been running three-four years straight now you would think they would have documentation, except that it may be the only facts they can present are that one or two very influential folks want it badly and the lost and losing membership claims are just that... claims... without facts of who would benefit, who dropped out, who will drop out, and who it is that will buy a Thor Class A. From the smoke and mirrors you would think it affects a large number of the WBCCI when in fact I doubt it truely does affect very many. But I do believe if the amendment passed to end the single brand identity of the club, very many members would be affected and to the point of many non-renewals and very few recruits. To show those facts, we do have several surveys that have been taken by WBCCI and also the vote against the amendment in 2007.
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Yep, Carol, if June Ryan has her way allowing THOR Class A's into WBCCI as non-Airstreams, then we will not renew.
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Here's a question for those that like to speculate. IF, (and I doubt it could pass,) but if the motorhome amendment to allow other RV brands and types into the club passed and if as many suspect membership will sharply wane in that scenerio, do you think that the dues will increase for the remainder of members proportionately to cover all the lost revenue, or will the spending have to be drastically cut at long last to balance the income and spending levels? Will the present leadership merely opt to run off the last of WBCCI assets in the usual fiscal manner? Taking away the directory index and an issue of the Blue Beret and making campgrounds pay to offer discounts to members and charging members to publish their own candidacy statement for office and denying unit caravan status to save on printing costs, to back charging general membership for the cost of copier rental and paper at the IBT seminar, among other ineffectual revenue saving ideas have been and most likely will continue to be unsuccessful. It seems they have tried everything including reducing the region presidents' reembursement without their very consult; everything but actually giving something up themselves and sharing in the reduction of spending. Now the latest weenie of an idea is to provide a waiver and special privilege of membership restriction to lifetime members when it was stated that the lifetime membership fund is in danger of bankruptcy within a few short years. If this concept is embraced it will cost the club much more money. This is but another unsound if not ludicrous idea and a feckless grasping at straws to get the present International Club through a few more seasons of their tour and privilege.

Moderators can I say the "F" word, feckless as a descriptive qualifying adjective? I too think leadership has been feckless.
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... making campgrounds pay to offer discounts to members ...
They've been doing this for some years now. That was when we dropped out of the JC program (but continuing to offer the discount independently).

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