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Old 04-24-2006, 07:03 PM   #21
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Great Idea

This sounds great. We had debated on joining a group, but after I spoke with the local president (90 miles away) and he explained they were all granparents and nicely explained not many children. I took his hint and did not join. But I would be glad to join a cyber unit and think it is the greatest idea.


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I spoke with the local president (90 miles away) and he explained they were all granparents and nicely explained not many children. I took his hint and did not join.
That has to be the most awful thing I've ever heard! I can't believe someone would tell you that!

So to be a cyber unit, we could just join the WDCU for $1 and let them do the work they're already doing, and then get them to 'sponsor' forum rallys, which would otherwise function the same way they always have? With guests and non-members and tin hats and everything? Sounds good to me. I hate reinventing the wheel.
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Old 04-24-2006, 08:55 PM   #23
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Heck - joining the WDCU is a deal in the first place. Several of us SaveWally folds have mulled over a cyber unit and I have reviewed the Blue Book on this. I can't see any real reason this couldn't be done. Only stumbling block seems to be structuring officer positions and writing a constitution that covers the unusual operations for a cyber club. WDCU has an operating base but has done a wonderful job of expanding beyond that and will surely be one of the fastest growing units in the org.


I will say that I will donate the server space and domain name registration to a cyber unit if needed and/or will be happy to extend myself towards building that infrastructure if there is indeed enough interest in having a cyber unit built.


Until that time every member who is a MAL should seriously consider joining the WDCU if not for having the voting privileges then for being included in the overall experience of being a WBCCI member.


WBCCI's structure is needlessly exclusive of these members and is another example of why a modernization to infrastructure is what will help revive the club.
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Old 04-24-2006, 09:11 PM   #24
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My idea of a cyber unit would be more along the lines of what we already do on the fourm, plan opportunities to get together. I don't care about voting, rules, officers, constitutions and bylaws, any of that stuff that gets in the way of the real purpose of the club. I just want to make contact with other Airstreamers and go camping.
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I don't either but the WBCCI does spell out what constitutes a unit and it does have to have some infrastructure in these areas. It does have to have officers and a constitution, etc... It is an annoyance but a requirement for any unit to exist.
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That's the sort of thing that makes me think I'm just not cut out for the WBCCI - anything that adds a layer of 'annoyance' to my fun time is something I'd like to avoid at all costs.
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Old 04-24-2006, 10:19 PM   #27
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Count my electronic vote in favor..

Stef and Janet-

Another willing supporter, down in Silicon Valley where local Unit is of the mature nature...

I actually traded messages a while back with Cindy Reed of WBCCI HQ (she occasionally lurks here...) and she'd indicated that a Unit could be formed with 10 members in a Region, so long as minimal formalities followed. I suspect Region 12 would be OK with concept, but would like to toss up notion of mega-region Cyber Units, rather than one single national unit. Whether New England, So-Cal or Nor-Cal, Northwest, or mid-America, there are certain geographies that would have more in common than a national Unit, and higher probability of actually getting together for some rallies..

I'd be supporter either way, and continue to look forward to a Unit website, posted schedules, and e-mailed newsletters.. I think there'd be a common theme among these cyber units leaning towards younger members with families, more flexible approaches to rally schedules and activities, and perhaps a return of some of the national event-based rallies at lower levels of organization and effort.

Will stay tuned with interest...

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Well that is the beauty of a unit like WDCU, catering if you will to the MAL. Nobody has to get involved in all the stuff but it is encouraged when necessary (if you know what I mean). The point is that everybody contributes where and how they can. Not everybody has to do the politics thing.


If a cyber unit could provide a way of ending the WBCCI disenfranchisement of MALs I say go forward and do it. WDCU already has the infrastructure in place. MALs can join and know they have not only a voice but a home as well.


Don't let politics dissuade you from being a part of the group. There is a way you can contribute to the WBCCI in the area of voting by casting a vote in the first place. MALs don't have that luxury but they should because they are part of the group.
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Meld of concepts!?

Hello all -

Like, actually LOVE the idea of the cyber unit thing. Also really am curious about the 'cyber/mega' unit idea....

Is there a way to meld those 2 concepts into 1. Have the 'mega region' "Cyber" unit(s) be a force for those that are currently cut out of the process. There are plenty of people to draw from, the 365'ers, the MAL's, the 'don't like the local unit' folks, etc....

Seems like there aught to be a way.... I don't see "it" exactly but then I defer to the experts....! Fire away.

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I have been mulling over the "What makes a unit a good unit" issue and have a couple of thoughts....

A good unit has regular communication, rallies, member participation, diversity, encourages new folks to join and carries out the mission of the parent organization. it's members have voice and vote and feel valued.

So... how about a Cyber unit? Forums members are already acting as a WBCCI unit. we plan and hold rallies, we meet regularly (online), heck we vote on polls! We work out our differences, we (many of us) are willing to support the forums with cash...
I don't get it? Sounds as unsatisfying as cyber sex!

I think the real spirit of a good unit are fun caravans & rallies to scenic and interesting places. You need a physical unit for that.

I think Airstreams Forums is the Cyber exchange, a perfect place for everyone to have a voice and exchange opinions and information.
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Stephanie,
I think we think the same way. We bought the Airstream to camp and we love to camp and I love to be with fellow airstreamers when we camp (not many in our area) But I dont want to have rules, told if I can or can't use party lights, where to park because I'm not an officer, If my awning can be up or down etc. To me all that stuff just takes the fun out of why I bought my Airstream.



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I don't get it? Sounds as unsatisfying as cyber sex!
How do you know that's unsatisfying? (JUST KIDDING!!!)

Obviously you are very involved in your unit, and I don't know if you are retired or not, but I think this may be more of an issue for those who are not. Since we are not retired, we often cannot make it to far away rallys, or to ones that spread over weekdays (we have discovered that rallys that start during the week are often wrapping up by the weekend so folks can get home and go to church on Sunday, so why bother showing up on Friday), and Caravans are out of the question. The result of this is that we only see the members of our unit a couple times a year.

On the other hand, I am online every day. I chat with my online friends, and write back and forth with them on the forums, and occasionally see them when we have a forum rally. And I have to say, I do everything I can to get to the forum rallys, even if it's just for a day, because they are a blast. And the friends I meet there, who I know from online, are as real as the local AS Unit folks, just I know my online friends better and are more relaxed around them. Also they tend to be closer to my age so we have no end of topics in common to gab about all night.

I don't see any reason why a cyber unit wouldn't work just fine. The members would stay in better touch with each other, and it would be even easier to organize rallys and get-togethers.

And Becky, I agree, sounds like we think just alike. Down with the flag rules!
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Please, please, PLEASE do not let young/old, non-retirees/retirees, and so on be defining, segregating descriptions when developing this delightful full-of-potential idea. So much of the past WBCCI "debates" have focused on that, yet as you surely see, you have some "well-seasoned" forum members here who are just as uninvolved in traditional WBCCI unit activities as the younger set, for much the same reasons. Many of us too have the AS for simple travel and camping, enjoy AS folks and AS talk, with NO tolerance for formal meeting junk. Now, if this cyber unit flies, let's come up with open, inclusive language and make no pre-conceived assumptions about older = stodgy! Please don't shut doors in the designing stage, but keep the welcome mat out for all who share these common ideas. THanks for considering this ~G
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I never said older means stodgy, but older and retired does mean you have different freedom to use your time, and probably different interests, than people who are still working. And lets face it, young or old, if you think flag rules are a necessity to having a good rally, then I WILL have a difference of opinion with you

Our lives revolve around computers, everything we do. It is only natural to make friends, stay in touch, and plan get togethers using the computer. Anyone else who fits that description might find it just as convenient to do things that way.
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I don't get it? Sounds as unsatisfying as cyber sex!

I think the real spirit of a good unit are fun caravans & rallies to scenic and interesting places. You need a physical unit for that.

I think Airstreams Forums is the Cyber exchange, a perfect place for everyone to have a voice and exchange opinions and information.
Cyber Unit

Amen Airstream25! The purpose of an RV group is to get out in your RV preferably in the company of other RVr's. That is why Wally Byam started caravans and that is why WBCCI was formed. Geographically organized units facilitate members getting together. Our Unit was formed specifically because the travel distance to rallies was just too great. There are no restrictions or rules that say you HAVE to join any particular Unit, that you can't join more than one, or that you can't visit other Unit rallies that may be closer or of more interest. My grandparents full timed. They belonged to several Units and visited many others. Wherever they happened to be they met up with other Airstreamers at official rallies as well as impromptu gatherings. They always had a great time and one of the main reasons was because they were physically enjoying a shared experience with other Airstreamers.

It sounds to me in reading through this thread there is contradiction. On the one hand it is sited over and over that people don't attend local Unit activities because they are too far away. Then on the other hand they are excited about a cyber unit that would have rallies all over the country. As Steph says there already are forum rallies and they don't have or need all the infrastructure. The Internet is a tool. It can and is being used to augment and encourage communications, planning, and participation, not only in geographically close Airstream activities but those farther afield from your home base. There are already quite a few Units using at least some web based technologies effectively and more are experimenting successfully all the time. Once again, neither WBCCI , or anybody else has ever done a well designed survey of Units to find out what exactly they are doing, why, and how. Nobody, at least as far as I know, has ever set a realistic standard to evaluate the use and effectiveness of Unit web based functions. The assumption seems to be that there are one or two Units who got it and the rest are still in the dark ages. Pretty sad to decide to create something without a decent evaluation and understanding of what is currently in place. Sounds a lot like the name change issue.

Creating a Cyber Unit is a distraction from the real issues. Why not help established Units become better users of the tools and technologies that are available? Why not look at working together to become more inclusive and diverse instead of creating more splinters? Why not look at what already exists, including forum rallies and see what changes or modifications might make them even more effective? Why not go back to Wally's original idea of getting out and enjoying your Airstream and figure out how encourage that rather than creating a venue that doesn't require you to clean your wheel bearings, fill up the propane tanks, load the frig, and hitch up your rig and get out and enjoy it?

I know all about time constraints. Most of our members are still working and some have kids. Also some have older parents they are caring for. I also know that if a rally of any sort, excites people's interest and fits their expectations most people will do what they can to participate regardless of how busy, how far, or with in reason, what the cost is. You see that right here in this thread. People say for a variety of reasons they aren't interested in local Unit activities but are willing to make an effort to go to a forum or cyber unit rally. If a Unit is open and flexible and willing to work with ALL members, it can create an environment that does encourage participation.

As to MAL's, as has been said before, that is a choice, not a disenfranchisement. Nobody forced people to decide to be MAL's and nobody is preventing them from paying dues and joining a Unit if they want to have more of a voice. Unless they chose not to learn what the benefits and restrictions of being a MAL were before they made the decision, they knew the limitations including not having a vote.
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I think we think the same way. We bought the Airstream to camp and we love to camp and I love to be with fellow airstreamers when we camp (not many in our area) But I dont want to have rules, told if I can or can't use party lights, where to park because I'm not an officer, If my awning can be up or down etc. To me all that stuff just takes the fun out of why I bought my Airstream.
They've got to be kidding! If a person's idea of fun is living under authoritarian rules, might I suggest a caravan to North Korea?

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I never said older means stodgy, but older and retired does mean you have different freedom to use your time, and probably different interests, than people who are still working. And lets face it, young or old, if you think flag rules are a necessity to having a good rally, then I WILL have a difference of opinion with you

Our lives revolve around computers, everything we do. It is only natural to make friends, stay in touch, and plan get togethers using the computer. Anyone else who fits that description might find it just as convenient to do things that way.
I have seen several posts in which the poster is upset with the flag rules, what rules are the problem? Is it showing respect for and proper display of the flag or something else? We plan on flying four flags this year in Salem, the American flag, the California flag, we live in Calif, our unit is from Calif and I am a native, an Oregon Flag, the international is in Oregon and my wife is an Oregon native, and a Vintage Airstream Flag.

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Creating a Cyber Unit is a distraction from the real issues. Why not help established Units become better users of the tools and technologies that are available? Why not look at working together to become more inclusive and diverse instead of creating more splinters?
I don't see why you think this is a devisive idea. The only way it could be divisive is if people weren't included. Anyone can be included, regardless of where they live. Existing units are happy with things the way they are. None of the older folks in our unit come here to the forums, they don't get the news about things like the MHs being discontinued until it hits the Blue Beret. If you email them, 90% never respond, and others respond with several days lag time. We had a unit webpage for a year before most of them knew about it, despite it being brought up repeatedly. A lot of the older folks just aren't very techno saavy and don't want to be. If there are people who are, and they want to form a unit, why is that a threat to anyone?

And it's not a way to avoid getting out and camping, it's a better way to stay in touch with the people you will be camping with.
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Existing units are happy with things the way they are.
How do you know that? Are you saying that about a specific Unit or all units? Can you speak for all units?

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None of the older folks in our unit come here to the forums, they don't get the news about things like the MHs being discontinued until it hits the Blue Beret. If you email them, 90% never respond, and others respond with several days lag time. We had a unit webpage for a year before most of them knew about it, despite it being brought up repeatedly. A lot of the older folks just aren't very techno saavy and don't want to be.
This is lumping everyone in the same group and that is not fair to a growing number of "older folks" who are techo saavy and do use the internet.

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If there are people who are, and they want to form a unit, why is that a threat to anyone? And it's not a way to avoid getting out and camping, it's a better way to stay in touch with the people you will be camping with.
You are extrapolating from what I said. I didn't say anything about a threat. If another Unit wants or needs to be formed, fine. I do realize that a proposed cyber unit would hold rallies. My point is still, what really is the reason and the need to form such a unit. Why not find out what is already in place and expand on that. Is it because it is too much trouble to work with or around the old guard and the established system. Too much trouble to find out what Units are doing already. Easier just to take off on something new.
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Thumbs up Sounds great, I'd be tempted to join a cyber unit

Kudos Janet and all who wrote in this thread. I really enjoy reading about the WBCCI, though have been reluctant to join for reasons stated in other threads. I think this idea is very appealing and would be something I would seriously consider. In other words, this sort of unit would get another member (family) into the WBCCI.

Hoping to hear more.
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