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Old 07-28-2006, 08:05 AM   #21
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Here is another from Southern Colorado

Ken,

We are in southern Colorado and can't get down to the Land of Enchantment often enough. We would enjoy having others in the area share their favorite spots in the Southwest. We are not yet members of any chapter but would me most interested in Southwest region organization.
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You know, I don't recall for sure -- don't have a blue book at hand -- but it seems to me that the standard units are defined by region; only the intraunits are defined by interest.

Now, the idea of creating a new unit down here is a little problematic because, as the discussion has shown, there's interest from areas that cover a couple of different existing units.

Ok, I don't think it's a good idea to "kidnap" folks into a new unit from several existing units when using the geographic definition. On the other hand, starting a new intraunit brings on its own issues; perhaps someone else can work on this angle.

Note, though, that it is not at all necessary to live in a region in order to be a member of the unit defined by that region. (Back when we had NM as our main membership, I recall seeing a membership list: There were folks from all over creation listed as members there.)

Perhaps, then, it's perfectly fine to start a new, non-encroaching, geographically defined NM unit. Just state in its goals what the unit is up to, what it's purpose/goal is. I mean, if you've got a NM unit that digs on camping in Alaska, that's perfectly legit!


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Thanks for the kind words, Brent.
All I need is the names of ten Airstream owners who want to charter such a unit and who are willing to pay their $55.00 International Dues through said unit. The way I see it, it can be "win-win"... we stay with WBCCI and we help improve and evolve into a relevant organization for today's Airstreamers. In so doing we will compliment and support the existing, traditional units. PM me with your contact information if you want to help get this concept off the ground.
If you build it, we will join....
Let me know what I need to do.
Would I have to join now as a MAL and then transfer?
Could I join the WDC Unit ($1.00) and then transfer?
Should I wait for your provisional charter?
Can anyone tell me it the number 1024 (my bday) is being used?
Ken, I still like the name that I PM'd you.
Since this unit will be centered by NM, AZ, CO & UT
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The usual way to start up a new Unit is to have it grow out of group campouts - or at least that's the way it was back in the sixties and earlier.

i.e. Schedule your outings, publicise them, see who shows up. If you can get ten or so to show up on a regular basis, then you know you have sufficient interest to organize as a Unit in WBCCI.

It is a common trap to depend upon what people say rather than what they do. This is why you need to depend upon attendees at events and not 'cyber' BS. Talk is cheap. Getting people out camping is priceless.

From the 'tude I often see here, I fear misplaced motivations that could lead to misperceptions and longer term disapointments. The group has to form with its intent on camping and not on a "I'll show you" ethic. Camping has longevity. Confrontation evaporates over time. Watch out for those who are supporting the group for the wrong reasons.

Your name needs to include the name of the State where most members have residence. That might be a WBCCI bylaw to change but there are interesting arguments on both sides of the issue.

I also suggest separating governance from function and from training. You need all aspects but they don't have to be enshrined together as, for instance, a whole slew of VPs and offices as in the Unit Planning Guide. This is another paradigm shift to work on with WBCCI.

If you need help with bylaws and a history of a Unit that has 'been there, done that, and is doing it' along the lines you are talking, send me a PM.

But, first and foremost, get your group together and start by doing what you want to do. The organization will follow. Don't put the cart ahead of the horse.
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Your name needs to include the name of the State where most members have residence. That might be a WBCCI bylaw to change but there are interesting arguments on both sides of the issue.
What about these units?
Paso del Norte
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Good point. In going back to the Blue Book I note that the 'name to include state' clause is a _policy_ and not a bylaw.

This underscores how important it is to read carefully when browsing the Blue Book!

The stuff of interest in forming a unit is in section VI of the bylaws and policies "Club Organization" http://wbcci.org/documents/ACF2154.pdf

Very interesting to compare what is bylaw and what is policy. I can see a good source for confusion. (and some interesting implications)

Thanks!
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However...

"Paso del Norte" is officially listed as "Paso del Norte Texas"
"El Camino Real" is officially listed as "El Camino Real California"
"White Mountains" is officially listed as "White Mountains New Hampshire"
"Cape Cod" is officially listed as "Cape Cod Massachusetts"

There really are only two or so "non-state/providence name" Units - New England & Midwest

Then there is "Delmarva" which is a combo of the state names Delaware/Maryland/Virginia. So put those thinking caps on "New Aricoltah" doesn't quite roll off my tongue...but then, maybe it does!!!

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I would be willing to join as a full member, but enjoy the "easterners" too much to ever leave WDCU. If I could join through both units, I would. (Two votes? Two Save Wallys? Why do I think that would go over like flatulence in the choir loft?)

We already have the blue beret, the blue baseball cap and the blue bandana. How about the blue Stetson?

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Well, you could help us get this unit off the ground as a "Regular Member" and become an "Affiliate Member" of WDCU. Actually, I have promised not to recruit from existing units, but we would love to include you if you want a geographically closer "cyber home," although Sedan, NM is darn near on the East Coast.
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Arrrgh! We Aren't Pirates, Lynn!....

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Ok, I don't think it's a good idea to "kidnap" folks into a new unit from several existing units when using the geographic definition.
Perhaps, then, it's perfectly fine to start a new, non-encroaching, geographically defined NM unit. Just state in its goals what the unit is up to, what it's purpose/goal is. I mean, if you've got a NM unit that digs on camping in Alaska, that's perfectly legit!


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Please rest assured we intend to kidnap nobody. We will, however, rescue the disgruntled, disenchanted members who would not otherwise remain in WBCCI. At the same time, we will try to capture the imagination of those who want to go camping, hiking, fishing, biking and anything else they like except holding meetings and conducting flag ceremonies.
I have promised not to actively recruit anyone from an existing unit. But I could make an exception for anyone who owns an RV park in Northeastern NM...
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Please rest assured we intend to kidnap nobody. We will, however, rescue the disgruntled, disenchanted members who would not otherwise remain in WBCCI. At the same time, we will try to capture the imagination of those who want to go camping, hiking, fishing, biking and anything else they like except holding meetings and conducting flag ceremonies.
I have promised not to actively recruit anyone from an existing unit. But I could make an exception for anyone who owns an RV park in Northeastern NM...
Oh, I understand that! And I understand why, given the nature of the current NM unit.

You know, maybe it would be good advice just to start camping with some of the prospective Nuevo WBCCI New Mexico members and go from there. That'll give the whole idea a good shakedown and give folks a chance to pursue what comes next. (Seems like I read in the bylaws that the region head honcho has to approve the whole thing. Or?)


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PS: Had to edit. My knowledge of Spanish is minimal, and my Spanish spelling is even worse.


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Here we are just three days and a few hours after we began exploring the feasibility of a dynamic new WBCCI unit in the Southwest U.S. Here are the numbers so far:

Arizona 3
Colorado 2
New Mexico 6

Of these prospective 11 charter members, 6 are currently members of WBCCI. The other 5 were waiting for a unit like this and will be new members of WBCCI.

We need about five additional committed charter members to get this going. I would like to demonstrate to Region 11 that we can generate the requisite 10 members for a new unit over and above current members.
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Here we are just three days and a few hours after we began exploring the feasibility of a dynamic new WBCCI unit in the Southwest U.S. Here are the numbers so far:

Arizona 3
Colorado 2
New Mexico 6

Of these prospective 11 charter members, 6 are currently members of WBCCI. The other 5 were waiting for a unit like this and will be new members of WBCCI.

We need about five additional committed charter members to get this going. I would like to demonstrate to Region 11 that we can generate the requisite 10 members for a new unit over and above current members.

Congrats klevan,looks like you are well on your way and in a very short time.Stay committed and overcome any bumps in the road ahead and you will reach your goal.Best of luck to you.
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"Of these prospective 11 charter members, 6 are currently members of WBCCI."

Ken ---- For anyone who might think you are proselyting from other units they should know that one of the 6 that current WBCCI members had decided to not renew until you started this.---Pieman
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What Would Wally Do?...

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"Of these prospective 11 charter members, 6 are currently members of WBCCI."

Ken ---- For anyone who might think you are proselyting from other units they should know that one of the 6 that current WBCCI members had decided to not renew until you started this.---Pieman
That's correct, Mike. All six have decided to move on the other units, become members at large, or drop their membership completely. I had coffee with a member this morning who has quit attending unit functions because he and his wife were treated rudely, but he continues to pay annual dues because he really likes his Airstream and most fellow Airstreamers. He and his wife are avid bicyclists and have little use for business meetings and regional rallies where everyone gets crammed together in confined space.

I was reminded to today by another member of the article on page 67 of the Winter 2006 Airstream Life. Here's a quote:

"He (Wally) liked State and National Parks because they generally met his privacy and quietness requirements… But too many trailer parks, he discovered, suffered from a lack of privacy and quiet. And a too great concentration of humanity in a small area…”


Don't you think Wally would be happy to know that some of us want to get back to camping and seeing new and interesting places away from the great concentration of humanity?
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Don't you think Wally would be happy to know that some of us want to get back to camping and seeing new and interesting places away from the great concentration of humanity?
he would indeed!
hey klevan,
i haven't read
in this thread
till just now
can a jayhawker
who spends time each year
in those states noted...
be a member?

not sure i'm charter material
but coming from mal,
i could pay my dues via youse unit
and would love to come camping with you all

looks like you've shortened and cleaned up those unit objectives some...
reads much better now...simple is dangerous. others might want to try it!

four corners is good...

how about the 4 points on a compass...
or 4 winds unit..
or 'for camping' unit...

or north of the border unit,
or intracoastal unit...
or 'back 2 camping unit

or 'azutnewmexicolo unit'
or 'utaznumexicolo' unit...
nah, that reads like an endoscopy procedure...

good luck and hope to join in somehow,
or be supportive.

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We Would be Most Honored...

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good luck and hope to join in somehow,
or be supportive.

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To add the MAL from the great state of Kansas to the list!

If you haven't renewed for 2007, hold your fire until we get a reading from the 1st VP of Region 11 who is spending his weekend reviewing this thread and the CBL we drafted.

If we receive a "Provisional Charter" from Region 11, I will make a call for dues from all prospective charters members. If our offer to charter a new, more dynamic unit is declined, we will each renew our respective memberships as MALs, or join the Den-CO Unit, or the WDC Unit for 2007. Some prospective members will drop their WBCCI membership. But we'll have some all inclusive "Forums Rallies" just to see how much interest we really have.

I think I have all your contact information, which I will PM for your verification.

Thanks soooo much for your support!
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Time for a Rally??

This new chapter is a go......if NM doesn't want to grant our wish we'll try another state chapter for a blessing from the late great Wally. A charter without boundaries.....hmm…..See more....Do more.....Live more....hmm… sound familiar? The way I see it is conviction wins the race...
So with that said, enough with the politics... In the mean time…Lets go camping... speaking of camping. When do you charter members and associates and other fun loving Airsteam owners want to rendezvous? Azflycaster has been talking about an Arizona Rally sometime in Jan which we're in for, if it is in the early part of the month.. Looking at the calendar for the balance of this year…. I'm just now realizing almost every weekend is booked with several of those in tow! October however, still offers our family some flexibility. How about a get away Airstreamers weekend in the White Mountains of AZ...The weekend of October 14th or 21st in the White Mountains of Arizona…. a beautiful destination for fall foliage, fishing and fun! It is a good halfway point for several Four Corners Airsteamers. Please share your input, we’ll pick a destination and put it on the calendar.
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So with that said, enough with the politics... In the mean time…Lets go camping... speaking of camping. When do you charter members and associates and other fun loving Airsteam owners want to rendezvous? Azflycaster has been talking about an Arizona Rally sometime in Jan which we're in for, if it is in the early part of the month.. Looking at the calendar for the balance of this year…. I'm just now realizing almost every weekend is booked with several of those in tow! October however, still offers our family some flexibility. How about a get away Airstreamers weekend in the White Mountains of AZ...The weekend of October 14th or 21st in the White Mountains of Arizona…. a beautiful destination for fall foliage, fishing and fun! It is a good halfway point for several Four Corners Airsteamers. Please share your input, we’ll pick a destination and put it on the calendar.
Thanks AZ we have the Den-CO Autumn Leaves Rally 6-9 October, and the the Balloon Fiesta through 15 October. September is open for us. Is it already booked up for you?

We were thinking Luna Lake, Arizona State Park might be a nice place to rally in September, with another rally at Deadhorse, Arizona State Park in April 2007.

I thinkk we are already having our first experience trying to reconcile calendars!
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[quote=klevan]we have the Den-CO Autumn Leaves Rally 6-9 October, quote]

hi kleven

i noticed the oct caravan from colo 2 new mexico...followed by this rally,
but other than dates and contact people, i cannot find any other info on either. check the wb website the den vac site, az and nm sites..

i 'm planning a western loop running along this way bofore heading north along the coast. starting late sept/early oct.

any other info on the caravan or rally?

thanks
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