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Old 12-22-2007, 11:09 AM   #341
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Question The "WRONG TIE"

I have a vintage trailer and am in my 30's! I believe that people like me are the next generation of the "hart and sole" of the future of air-streaming in not America but the World... I love the history and am very confussed about the future of the club... I collect as many of the old photos as i can, but never have seen a tux on any member! I could understand maybe a black tie event to raise money or may be even a Christman or wedding event full of members... But the wilderness back drop of Bozeman MONTANA is sure not the place for such a statement... The real problem is people like me should be at the evening event...(to get more involved) but examples like this i would rather go cast a "elk hair caddis" a nother type of "tie" on one of the evening hatches for the hopes of a trout to rise... Not hear the rise of people point out other members unability to "tie" on a black one... I would have no problem dressing up... but black tie is over the top... if that is the code for the night... i guess my $450 waders.. $1000 rod and real... and bottle of 1972 red... will have a date with the evening hatch on the "beaver head river" todd@VINTSREAM.com
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Old 01-08-2008, 01:30 PM   #342
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Please remember, this is for a non-mandatory event. In fact, the installation ceremony is closed, IIRC, and only the reception that follows is open to the general membership. The reception does not require a tux to attend.
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This is the first year that our plans allow us to attend this annual event. If what I am reading here is true, I am sure we will not be going. There are nonachievers in this world that are trying to make their mark in life at other peoples expence. I am a member of the WBCCI because of the Denver unit and alot of other great WBCCI members I have met around the country.
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This is the first year that our plans allow us to attend this annual event. If what I am reading here is true, I am sure we will not be going. There are nonachievers in this world that are trying to make their mark in life at other peoples expence. I am a member of the WBCCI because of the Denver unit and alot of other great WBCCI members I have met around the country.
Allen,

That is too bad. Since you are a member of the Denver Unit, you know that there are a lot of good people in that unit. Many will be in the VAC section. Attend the International, come by the VAC tent for happy hour and visit the open house.

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That is too bad. Since you are a member of the Denver Unit, you know that there are a lot of good people in that unit. Many will be in the VAC section. Attend the International, come by the VAC tent for happy hour and visit the open house.

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Minnie's Mate wrong!! The installation is open to all members and is part of the evening's entertainment. The fancy clothes are a requirement for only the OFFICERS not the general public. We have gone to many of these events in shorts and will do the same with this one. I may attend the reception after the ceremony and get my free virgin coctail punch and cookies and slow dance to a couple of tunes from our formal band. I have always refused to stand in line for an hour in the receiving line just to shake their hands. I may go over to the sock hop for the kids (which is held time) and may take a few turns at a quicker pace to more modern music.

If you look closely at some of the old photos you will see the club has always had old officers and they wore their "Region Red" blazers or some of them had white coats and WBCCI straight ties. Some years the top officers wore coats that matched the color scheme picked out for the rally. Officers have to pay for their own duds. Many wore their blue berets to cover their balding heads. A few have worn their Texan hats. Personally, I think hats belong outside to protect you from the Sun or the cold.
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So then what is the general Public suppost to wear? Jeans and a T-shirt?
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So then what is the general Public suppost to wear? Jeans and a T-shirt?
I don't think that there is a dress code for the public. But I have heard that you might feel underdressed in shorts and t shirt. Someone who has attended a few should answer this question.

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Minnie's Mate wrong!! The installation is open to all members and is part of the evening's entertainment. The fancy clothes are a requirement for only the OFFICERS not the general public. We have gone to many of these events in shorts and will do the same with this one...
Thanks for the clarification. I haven't attended one of the Installation Ceremonies yet so I was a little confused. That is why I included the "IIRC" regarding the information that I had read. I knew that the formal attire was not mandatory for anyone other than the officers and that the expense associated with wearing tuxes would be out of their own pockets and not paid for out of the membership dues (or at least that was my understanding).

I understand why they want to make a formal occasion out of this event and I understand that it is a big deal to them. These people have invested many years of voluntary service to this organization to get to the places that they are in now and they want to celebrate their accomplishments and mark the occasion with something special. So I say, "Let them wear tuxes" if that is what they want. I don't necessarily agree that it is appropriate given the context of being in a camping club, but I can see their point from the amount of time they have invested and this being the largest camping club of its kind (or at least it was at one point).

I am just glad that there isn't a controversial issue that is dividing the organization like there was in the past (at least one hasn't surfaced yet this year). I think the organization needs some time to let wounds heal and this year should be the beginning of this process so I say, "Let them wear tuxes" if that is what they want.
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Old 01-11-2008, 03:48 PM   #351
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I'll first admit that I am absoluteluy new to Airstream. But I'm not new to Horse----! Do these people expect to be taken seriously dressing like penguins? I was somewhat curious about possible WBCCI membership, but no longer! More power to 'em if they want to play dress-up in a CAMPING CLUB. They certainly don't need me or my dues for this sillyness. What am I missing here? Seems like somebody's wife wanted to relive the prom.
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I was somewhat curious about possible WBCCI membership, but no longer!... They certainly don't need me or my dues for this sillyness. What am I missing here?
Hi N2XBW,

What are you missing??? We DO need you! The guy (Ed) that started this thread, did so to "rally the troops" around getting involved in the organization and lead it into a future that will attract a new generation of Airstreamers. You sound like just the person we are looking for.

Please don't let any of these "tuxedo antics" dissuade you from joining and finding the folks at a chapter that is local to you. It's very likely that you will find folks that will welcome you into a fun experience that you can only have while sharing the camaraderie found in Aluminum.
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Steve,
You've stated the point that there's a need for new blood in WBCCI. OK, I accept that my local chapter, wherever or whomever they may be here in far northern NY, needs me or at least my dues. All organizations need a steady supply of new blood to exist, and all organizations eventually die off when they outlive or lose sight of their original purpose for existance.

But Steve, your message mentions nothing that I'm actually missing by avoiding what appears to be charlie foxtrot night at the country club. If this is what it takes for the WBCCI troops to get rallied, it sounds like a pretty tired-out organization. If I'm going to spend time and money on a good time, it's gonna be MY good time. Am I wrong here? Talk to me, Steve, I'm willing to listen.
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You've stated the point that there's a need for new blood in WBCCI. OK, I accept that my local chapter, wherever or whomever they may be here in far northern NY, needs me or at least my dues. All organizations need a steady supply of new blood to exist, and all organizations eventually die off when they outlive or lose sight of their original purpose for existance.

But Steve, your message mentions nothing that I'm actually missing by avoiding what appears to be charlie foxtrot night at the country club. If this is what it takes for the WBCCI troops to get rallied, it sounds like a pretty tired-out organization. If I'm going to spend time and money on a good time, it's gonna be MY good time. Am I wrong here? Talk to me, Steve, I'm willing to listen.
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John,

There is some B.S. in every organization and the WBCCI is no different. What is different is that you in your Unit can have a ton of fun going places and meeting people and totally igonore the International until voting time. So once a year your Unit will decide how to vote on amendments and officers. After that your back to having fun.

The secret to getting the most out of the WBCCI is in choosing your Unit. Each one has its own personality and you'll need to go camping with the different ones. You'll find one that fits your style, humor etc.

Join us Unit folks at our campfires to find out what this Club is really about.
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But Steve, your message mentions nothing that I'm actually missing by avoiding what appears to be charlie foxtrot night at the country club.
John,

I'd be happy to fill you in. I do not live in NY, but I do know of a couple WBCCI guys in NY that are no "charlie foxtrots." You can hear them every other week on the the VAP.

What I am telling you is that the "real" WBCCI is a nearly endless number of local groups that get together for the purpose of enjoying and sharing the Airstream Life. If you are looking for friends that "have your back" and that are willing to share everything from their water hose to a delicious meal, the WBCCI is the right place.

Give it a try... search out folks that you like to spend time with... ask some of them for some help... or a place to courtesy park. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. You may even like it so much that you'll run for Charlie Foxtrot's office and then you'll decide to wear whatever you want.
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Foxtrot?

Heck I'm not sure what a foxtrot is but I know that in the 10 years I have been in the club I have never done that! (I think) The club is what you make of it, the cost of the dues is minimal considering it cost over $100 to fill my tow vehicle right now.

The rally cost are reasonable, the people you meet are great. There are a ton of benefits that you have by joining. Safe places to camp, meals with good people, great Happy hours, technical support, intra clubs including the VAC to help you, parking, big red numbers for the front and rear of your trailer, people who will come to your aid when needed.

The International Rally has classes, open houses, tours, safety, a whole bunch of Airstreams parked together ( and wait to you see that for the first time!) local people who want you in their town, lots of flags flying, caravan info, new Airstreams on display, old ones for sale, Airstream and other products (stuff) for sale, one of the best Flea Market for Airstreamers, youth activities and a bunch of other stuff that is FUN.

The "prom" is one event that I don't see the need for, at least in its current format. That is my beef, if you have not attended then you need to go and see it for yourself, then make your decision. Go in business casual, that way you won't feel out of place when attending. If you have not attended you need to to see this, the meet and great after the big dinner. Then after that come back to this tread and let us know what you think.

No one should hold off joining the WBCCI because of this thread, heck its just a couple of people pointing out what they see in need of fixing. There are a lot of good things that people miss by not joining and some things that are in need of repair but we need you to join to help us do that.

The WBCCI is a good place to be, its just in need of some adjustments.
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No one should hold off joining the WBCCI because of this thread, heck its just a couple of people pointing out what they see in need of fixing. There are a lot of good things that people miss by not joining and some things that are in need of repair but we need you to join to help us do that.

The WBCCI is a good place to be, its just in need of some adjustments.
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The adjustment we need is new blood, vote out the Ancients and lets seek new leadership that's in keeping with the 21st century.
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John, I think Ed et al, have said it right. What you are missing is why this thread was started. It was started because we all think the WBCCI is worth saving and it is in dire need of being saved from its leadership that is running the club. Unfortunately, it takes about 10-14 years to work your way up through the ranks to be a member of the "tux-club". There are tons of members that want to see a new regime, but it takes time for the old guard to be phased out. It takes new blood getting involved and working their way up to the top to see change affected. It's too bad that the way the system is set up you really just about have to be retired to be able to make the time commitment for any office in the club...that needs to change! As long as things remain the way they are, it will take forever for the new guard to come to office.

Also, the way the IBT comes to office, at least the way I understand it as a newbie to the club, almost makes individual votes irrelevant as the office gets closer to the top. That isn't right either and needs to change. The way votes are counted in different units are cast differently at the International Rally so sometimes votes for change are out numbered without the other votes being cast. There is a one member one vote movement afloat but that is still some time off.

Change is coming, it just takes time and it takes new blood like you and me and others to make a difference.
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