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Old 09-26-2007, 05:55 AM   #241
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Do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT, stay at home! That stunning display of tuxedoship screams to be shared... I say wear it proudly!

And as for no response from the folks planning to wear the real ones, I don't think there will be one.

Has anyone else noticed that there are NO posts from a region or international officer on this forum? And on the WBCCI forum, only Dona, the IBT secretary posts. I've been waiting days for an official response to rally passes in Bozeman and have gotten 2 responses from other members. But nothing from our club officers.... We know they are told what to wear, now it appears they are told when (not) to speak.

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Old 09-26-2007, 08:41 AM   #242
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I see you are getting ready for our install rally in Oct. Did you get the email with the details from Stuart? It was his idea and he heading up the project.
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Old 09-30-2007, 06:54 PM   #243
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18th International Rally

I'm posting two pictures of the Officer Installation from the 18th International Rally in Brandon, Manitoba, Canada. The year, 1975.

Just picture thoughts of the meaning of the WBCCI installations of the past.
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Old 09-30-2007, 07:03 PM   #244
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Well now, its not my club and the last thing I would want to do is stir up anything but....... wouldnt it be a hoot if a bunch of people showed up and wore tux tshirts every day of the event........just saying it would be funny is all
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Well now, its not my club and the last thing I would want to do is stir up anything but....... wouldnt it be a hoot if a bunch of people showed up and wore tux tshirts every day of the event........just saying it would be funny is all
Yes, that would be funny. But mocking the IBT will only distance them from the body of the members even more than they are now. There would be an attitude of "they don't appreciate what we do enough to respect our installation ceremony so why should we respect their wishes for the club in the future." Maybe that is why they are so out of touch with the body of members now; maybe they have been dis'd in the past and feel burnt by the experience. Remember, some of these offices have taken 12-14 years to reach so if it happened in the past, those wounds may not have healed within the club.

It would be one thing if the IBT were asking all members to attend and wear dinner jackets and evening gowns, but they aren't. They are asking the IBT only to wear them to a closed event. The least the body of members can do is respect this one event for them and let them do what they collectively decide to do for their special ceremony and not make a big disrespectful deal about it! My only concern is if they are getting reimbursed for the tux rental and gown rentals. If not, then what's the harm. Installation of a new leadership team is a big deal and is a formal occasion for a club the size of the WBCCI. It just happens to be a camping club instead of another type of fraternal organization.
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Old 10-01-2007, 11:21 AM   #246
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I'm posting two pictures of the Officer Installation from the 18th International Rally in Brandon, Manitoba, Canada. The year, 1975.

Just picture thoughts of the meaning of the WBCCI installations of the past.
They are proud, let them enjoy if it doesn’t get into the clubs pocket
book.That woman in the plaid skirt sure is a looker.
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Old 10-01-2007, 12:52 PM   #247
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They are proud, let them enjoy if it doesn’t get into the clubs pocket
book.That woman in the plaid skirt sure is a looker.
Whoo-hoo! Ooops, I enlarged the photo. Jim, we need glasses!
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I guess it boils down ot who cares? Pee Wee showed that this is not the first time they have treated this as a formal event. I like to dress up also on the occasion, I took a tux (or a "smoking") to Brasil and Colombia.

Are the people that are belittling this even members? What has anyone here done to make this a better place, other then to complaIN THAT THE 35 DOLLAR A YEAR membership is to expensive? I guess all of the good will and volunteer spririt has no value to some posters. That is fine, but why do people waste there breath to bitch on an internet forum? It sounds and is, so petty.

Ok, my plane is leaving, I am new to teh WBCCI and will probably only be here for a year, but I hope to leave something in it better for my time.

Happy trails and se you in Mexico if I can swing it!

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Old 10-02-2007, 10:29 AM   #249
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I've been a member for about 10 years. We have also been a member of the laison group to input ideas to improve the club, unit club officers, vintage club officer and all around active participants. One of the repeating concerns from new and existing members is the formality of certain club activities in today's casual world. Is it a major issue?? No, but an issue that can easily modified by our leadership. At last year's installation, Don Shafer toned down the dress from ultra formal by foregoing the tuxedos. I thought we were moving in the right direction! wrong.....

As for the cost of the tuxedos, I believe the officers provide their own. But I am not sure. And since there is NO participation in any forum from any officer, we can only guess who shoulders the cost. And since rally fees provide the facility for the fancy shindig and the "pre-glow" dinner, we are actually subsidizing this event.

I say if it's going to be formal, we all dress and have a grand old 1960's style night of dancing and cocktails. A nightclub atmosphere with tables and toned down lighting! Tables of hors d'oeuvrers, byob, and lets have a celebration!!
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I've been a member for about 10 years. We have also been a member of the laison group to input ideas to improve the club, unit club officers, vintage club officer and all around active participants. One of the repeating concerns from new and existing members is the formality of certain club activities in today's casual world. Is it a major issue?? No, but an issue that can easily modified by our leadership. At last year's installation, Don Shafer toned down the dress from ultra formal by foregoing the tuxedos. I thought we were moving in the right direction! wrong.....

As for the cost of the tuxedos, I believe the officers provide their own. But I am not sure. And since there is NO participation in any forum from any officer, we can only guess who shoulders the cost. And since rally fees provide the facility for the fancy shindig and the "pre-glow" dinner, we are actually subsidizing this event.

I say if it's going to be formal, we all dress and have a grand old 1960's style night of dancing and cocktails. A nightclub atmosphere with tables and toned down lighting! Tables of hors d'oeuvrers, byob, and lets have a celebration!!
What day of the International Rally is this event?

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Old 10-02-2007, 04:21 PM   #252
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I can wear anything I want (as long as my wife says it's okay)

I can dance all night long (as long as my heart says it's okay)

I can party with the best of them (until my wife gets tired of me making a dang fool of myself and sends me to bed)

Yep, I can even complain about all the stuff I don't like on this here forum (until my wife sees it and then makes me take it all back so as she puts it people can live their lives the way they want to live them and not the way I think they should )

So, my new official spouse approved response to this thread is "let the IBT members wear the tux if they wish" and I, in turn, will wear what I think is appropriate (okay, what my wife thinks I should wear that's appropriate).

Drat, and I thought I was my own man (or that's what my wife's been telling me, anyway )

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When the International President sets the dress code the incoming Region Presidents do not have a choice. I have spent 4 years as 2nd vice and 1st vice and if I want to be Region President my wife snd I have to dress as he says, even though I don't agree with it.

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When the International President sets the dress code the incoming Region Presidents do not have a choice. I have spent 4 years as 2nd vice and 1st vice and if I want to be Region President my wife snd I have to dress as he says, even though I don't agree with it.

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Bob,

Thanks for your post, it is good to hear from the leadership now and again. Perhaps you can answer my question as to the date for the installation dinner?

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Nice post Leo. I couldn't have said it any better and it is exactly the root of the problem. I enjoy our Detroit-Metro group but, State, Regional and International rallys leave me feeling nauseated.
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:58 AM   #257
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I haven't read this until now, but the WDCU had some fun with it during our Installation Rally over the weekend.

As for those who plan rallies with formal or semi-formal attire - please make sure that people who may be interested in attending are aware of this. That way I know to avoid the rally. Thanks.
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:13 AM   #258
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RJ,

GREAT PICS!!!!! As always, the WDCU trys to be forward thinking and support the "Leadership" of the WBCCI in the "best way" the WDCU can. When the oldest member (74yrs old) of our unit came up with the idea to fully support the IBT with the wearing of "White Tux" at our install rally, we knew we would truly be on the leading edge of support for the IBT. We can only hope that other units within the WBCCI will also support the "IBT" and the wearing of "White Tux" at their camping rallies as well. I will say, wearing a "White Tux" while eating/picking crabs was a little messy(don't think I'll be wearing that jacket ever again). Though the idea was not mine, I felt I should fully support the members of our unit with the idea. It is not up to me to say what the members can and cannot do.
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Old 10-08-2007, 08:56 AM   #259
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I have been home recovering from surgery and I must say this thread has taken me from anger to hysterical comic relief. I wonder if we as the membership can jump on board the WDCU’s fun format and encourage ALL our membership attending rallies on that particular weekend and dress in formal duds in quiet/riot LOL laugher in support of the IBT.

I will be running a rally near that time and I'm certainly willing to organize a "formal" affair and then send my photos along with a letter to the top as a formal grievance. Pardon me Jerry but didn't you read the 2004 survey?????? Less ceremony, less ceremony, less ceremony. Memberships desires falling on deaf ears again.

Oh, glad to hear from the Region Presidents. I would like to see these people represent their membership's desires in protest. You do pick your battles in leadership roles but the membership has spoken. Region Officers should NOT be supportive of an idea the membership is not happy with. There is no shame in that.

Perhaps the way to approach this is for us as the members in our clubs to vote yeah or nay on tux's . We then send a our delegate to Bozeman WIth our letters and desires. The key maybe to support our Region Presidents in NOT feeling they need to bow to this mandate at the expensive of the memberships desires. This has great potential as a grass roots protest I would certainly get on board with.
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I understand the idea that a "grass roots protest" has to start some where and with something, but I said it once and I'll say it again, you can't expect the IBT to respect the membership body if the membership body shows blatant disrespect for the IBT.

Yes, you have to pick your battles, but I think this is one that you should leave alone and pick another, like say, the name change or SOB motor home issues in the past. Those should have got through to the IBT that the majority of the members don't want to change the essence of the club...that it is an Airstream club dedicated to Wally Byam.

Now getting the IBT to get rid of the pomp and circumstance of the club needs to be done without confrontation and if everybody shows up in Bozeman wearing tux-tee shirts, that is going to close more minds than open them. Perhaps a better way to reach the IBT would be to wear a business casual attire (blazer/slacks/open collar shirt combo or just slacks and open collar shirt would be nice/ladies wearing slacks and blouse, etc.) and attend the reception that follows the installation ceremony and calmly speak to each member of the IBT and let them know that the majority of the club wants to forgo the rituals and ceremonies that make new members feel that the club is too stuffy for them. But don't do it by butting heads with them. You do have to remember though, there are a lot of long term members left that are comfortable with the formality of the club and still cherish that. There needs to be a smooth transition over time to segway into a more relaxed club and not make those that have been members for 20 or 30 years feel that they have been tossed aside and abandoned by the club that their dues have supported for so long.
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