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Old 07-21-2015, 08:28 AM   #61
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Just FYI the WBCCI office is open Monday-Friday from 8am to 4:30PM, and yes they where in the office yesterday, I know because I talked to them.

They park in the back of the building, and leave the front parking by the sidewalk for visitors. You should stop in and say Hello.

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Old 07-21-2015, 11:12 AM   #62
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Bob is not a joiner so meeting the people inside may have been too much for him. Smiley face.
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Old 07-21-2015, 05:59 PM   #63
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Just FYI the WBCCI office is open Monday-Friday from 8am to 4:30PM, and yes they where in the office yesterday, I know because I talked to them.

They park in the back of the building, and leave the front parking by the sidewalk for visitors. You should stop in and say Hello.

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Bob is not a joiner so meeting the people inside may have been too much for him. Smiley face.
Hi, it was after 5:00 PM and I was going to the little market for a few needed things. I went in and circled the parking lot, No cars and no People. I have no problem with talking with people, even club members. I met a few [club members] in the Terraport, and we had a good time together. They even toured my trailer to see my mods. We are in Michigan now.
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Old 07-22-2015, 06:04 AM   #64
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Bob, as usual my poor attempt at humor backfired. I generally enjoy your posts. Keep going.
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Old 07-22-2015, 09:12 PM   #65
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My family have been members for almost 15 years, we have made some very close friends whom we care deeply about and they towards us to the point some of these folks we now consider part of our extended family.

I will say there were a few so called "dark years" for us like someone spoke of during the 2006-2010 timeframe due to some club issues. Understand, during that era we still deeply loved the folks in the club and the rallies we attended, just not what the IBT at that time was trying to do. In the end, we just had to change our view and mindset to a "Whatever" point of view not to become jaded. I've heard things are changing at the upper levels, which I hope is true.

Though our attendance at rallies has drop quite a bit over the past few years, we still stay in touch with many of the folks and plan to attend at rally in Aug. Not really sure why, just have not felt the love like we did at one time. We also changed the way we use our Airstream to more of a short caravan style of usage more so than a go sit at one location for 3-4 days style.

The WBCCI is and can be a great club. Being in the leadership has its good and bad points and may not be for everyone. But remember, it's easier to sit and complain about things than it is to try and make something better.

We will stay members for as long as I can see, and look forward to hosting rallies and caravan again in the future.

The WBCCI is a great club, but like others have stated, it all depends what you put back into it that will determine your experience.

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Old 07-23-2015, 04:12 PM   #66
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I have no problem with talking with people, even club members. I met a few [club members] in the Terraport, and we had a good time together. They even toured my trailer to see my mods. We are in Michigan now.
I always meet nice interesting people when I'm parked in the Terraport - I service at JC.
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Old 07-23-2015, 04:45 PM   #67
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You don't need to be in a club to travel or to meet nice people.....
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Old 07-23-2015, 08:21 PM   #68
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WBCCI benefits the people who use and participate in the events (caravans and rallies) it supports and provides. Any local RV club can provide local rallies and social events, without the need to pay for a national support staff and overhead. AirForums rally participants do not pay for this website or its support staff. The advertising they sell pays for it.
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Old 07-23-2015, 09:19 PM   #69
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Sorry Dwight, but I contribute my $20.00 annually to support the Air Forum. I also pay dues to WBCCI.
This forum is also a excellent way to communicate with/for ALL Air Stream groups. Check the Moraine View posts as an example.
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Old 07-25-2015, 07:29 PM   #70
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Well, I may soon be one of those people who choose not to WBCCI. The new Region president has announced the uniform of the day for the region rally, and it requires unit officers to wear a red necktie.

I made it very plain on multiple occasions that I do not enjoy wearing a necktie and haven't worn one since December 23rd, 1989— I remember that date because it's the first time I saw snow in New Orleans. I don't even intend to wear a tie at my own funeral, let alone while I'm still alive to kick and scream over it.

I have informed the region president that I will quit the club before I wear a necktie, but haven't heard back from him about it. If he insists on neckties, I'll insist on quitting. My resolve is stronger than his on this.

It may seem like a trivial thing to base my stay/go decision on, but the club motto is "fun, fellowship, and adventure." Fun is listed first. Wearing a tie is no fun for me, and not having fun would put a crimp on the fellowship and adventure as well.

On the plus side, if I do end up quitting WBCCI now, I won't become unit president in September and I won't have to go to the 2016 Mid-Winter IBT in January. Which would give me the time to go to the 2016 Canopener rally instead, if there are any spaces left…
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Old 07-25-2015, 07:56 PM   #71
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We went to our first International in Farmington this year. I wore shorts and a short sleeved shirt to every event since it was very hot. Most of the top echelon wore their white shirt, red tie, and blue hat for special events like the opening and flag parade and I presume the closing event.

We came with 21 other trailers from our group (4CU) and we hung out at the parking lot in the evenings. We met nice folks during the day from other parts of the country.

We do not intend to go to another International unless one comes out West again. It was not an event that would be worth our effort to drive across the US to attend.

Having said that, we are still planning on being part of a WBCCI Caravan to Alaska next year.
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Old 07-25-2015, 11:22 PM   #72
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Well, I may soon be one of those people who choose not to WBCCI. The new Region president has announced the uniform of the day for the region rally, and it requires unit officers to wear a red necktie.

I made it very plain on multiple occasions that I do not enjoy wearing a necktie and haven't worn one since December 23rd, 1989— I remember that date because it's the first time I saw snow in New Orleans. I don't even intend to wear a tie at my own funeral, let alone while I'm still alive to kick and scream over it.

I have informed the region president that I will quit the club before I wear a necktie, but haven't heard back from him about it. If he insists on neckties, I'll insist on quitting. My resolve is stronger than his on this.
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We went to our first International in Farmington this year. I wore shorts and a short sleeved shirt to every event since it was very hot. Most of the top echelon wore their white shirt, red tie, and blue hat for special events like the opening and flag parade and I presume the closing event.
Good grief!

I don't remember seeing a tie (and precious few blue berets) at one of our region rallies (Region 7) in the last few years. I carried our unit flag at the DuQuoin, IL and Sedalia, MO international rallies, and both years they waived the red ties because the weather was hot. (I did wear my blue beret on those occasions.)

I'm with you, Protag, stick to your guns. I might suggest a middle-of-the-road approach to the region rally problem. Rather than quitting the club--thereby depriving your unit of your valuable services as Unit President--you might just simply not wear a tie as "ordered" .

That would put the ball back in the region president's court. All he can do is file a grievance, and the worst case outcome of that is that you would get kicked out of the club. I always thought it would be more fun to get kicked out than just to quit. But I suspect under the current regime nothing would happen. I think the WBCCI has gotten smarter since 5-10 years ago when politically motivated grievances cost the club far too many members.
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Old 07-26-2015, 06:20 AM   #73
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I left my state unit because of all the focus on politics and religion. Transferring to the SECU has rekindled my interest in maintaining my club membership.
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Old 07-26-2015, 09:01 AM   #74
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Stick to your guns PRO on this one. I stand with you. OR as a suggestion you could always wear a tie as a belt. Some of us might need to tie 2 of them together and that could get pretty expensive. Do they insist that it HAS to be around your neck.

As for me I also hate ties with a passion.
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Stick to your guns PRO on this one. I stand with you.
Much appreciated. The Region president has just a few minutes ago agreed to make an exception for me, so I'll be the only one not wearing a tie. He doesn't want to lose a Unit president over something so picayune at the beginning of his term. Pun intended but maybe needs explanation— the region rally is being held at Picayune, MS, and the word "picayune" means petty or worthless.

But even though he's making an exception, he's not changing the dress code for everyone else. He's an old-timer and likes formality.
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It shouldn't be hard to fashion a thong from a red necktie. Leave a little draped over the belt line and problem solved!

More seriously, we were members for a while. Was not willing to pay money to rubber stamp an "election." Left. At the time it really seemed a little like a pyramid thing ... spend so long doing these things, then move up a level, then another level, etc. Also, I was NOT going to wear a nametag on a weekend. I wear a badge with my name and picture at work. Will. Not. Do. It. On. Weekends.
Can't condone that sort of behavior.

Maybe it's different now. That would be nice.
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I'll be on the edge of my seat to see how long this will last. Of course SOME are OK with small formalities and may welcome them. Good for them but NOT ME
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Name tags can be a way if recognizing people you have talked to but never met in person. It's a good way to break the ice for a conversation. Sometimes I think there are those on the forum who want to remain unknown but still participate in a social site. Something to hide or be ashamed of? These people are not formal club members. Best for the forums, better if they stay away from the Byam club.
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Also, I was NOT going to wear a nametag on a weekend. I wear a badge with my name and picture at work. Will. Not. Do. It. On. Weekends.
Can't condone that sort of behavior.

Maybe it's different now. That would be nice.
That part is no different. Attendees at recent Internationals are probably aware of the "name tag police." Unfortunately, she's in my Unit. If you don't wear your name tag, you're fined a dollar, which is then put in the kitty for the "Cents for Kids" charity, or whatever it's called. A new fine each day you don't wear it, besides.

Wearing a name tag makes sense at a Region rally or International where you'll meet people you don't know. But at a Unit rally where everyone knows everyone else already, it's stupid.

And making those name tags costs the club actual money, that could be better spent on something more important. Especially since Region officers and International officers get special name badges with a different-colored background in addition to having the name of the office they hold, so every International officer has at least three badges to choose from, one from the Unit, one from the Region, and one from the International level.

They say "rank has its privileges" but this particular privilege seems pretty rank to me!
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NOT ME! Some like the formality and the prestige that comes withe the Red Tie, Hat, white shirt and etc. Don't tell me what to wear. For me, I like the friendship and camping experience. I get up when I want and eat when I want; not that I have to eat and do at specific times. Let me just have the "Happy Hour" and dinner with the rest of the time for me. If there are plans that I want to partake, so be it.
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