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Old 05-18-2010, 02:07 PM   #101
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Yes, it is motion 5 on the agenda.
Please post a copy of the agenda.

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Old 05-18-2010, 02:27 PM   #102
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tintent, News to us, please PM me with details on all motions. We haven't received anything other than the current slate of officers.
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There appears to be no Unfinished Business. New Business is listed as:
1. Lifetime Membership Fee.....................Don Clark
2. Investments.....................................Fr anklin Sanders
3. Lifetime Fund Investments..................Franklin Sanders
4. Contract and Expenditure Approval.......Franklin Sanders
5. Caravan Criteria................................Doug Wylie
6. Caravan Fund...................................Myron Fischer
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"New business No.5---Caravan Criteria".. Isn't this gentleman's wife the "Tea Tosser"? Mrs. Doug Wylie?
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"New business No.5---Caravan Criteria".. Isn't this gentleman's wife the "Tea Tosser"? Mrs. Doug Wylie?
Bingo, also the other nominee for nominating committee.

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Heyde, Wylie, Nominees!! Hmmm, at least the higher ups are consistent.
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Heyde, Wylie, Nominees!! Hmmm, at least the higher ups are consistent.
I recently sent an email to the international officers, region 12 president and unit president regarding the nominees. I was told by one of the international officers that the nominating committee received only two resumes for next years nominating committee. Hard to believe.

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Well, Yaaah! Wouldn't you receive two resumes if you only ask for 2?
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Old 05-19-2010, 07:21 AM   #109
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One of the issues mentioned at our rally last weekend was the problem with nominations coming from the floor, with then only minutes for delegates to vote on these nominees.

Keeping in mind that we know practically nothing about how all of this works , it would seem prudent and planful that anyone who expects to be nominated from the floor have a brief resume in hand, with plenty of copies, to read aloud, distribute and answers questions about. If possible, get the word and information out ahead of time so that delegates have an opportunity to be thoughtful and informed in casting their votes.

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One of the issues mentioned at our rally last weekend was the problem with nominations coming from the floor, with then only minutes for delegates to vote on these nominees.

Keeping in mind that we know practically nothing about how all of this works , it would seem prudent and planful that anyone who expects to be nominated from the floor have a brief resume in hand, with plenty of copies, to read aloud, distribute and answers questions about. If possible, get the word and information out ahead of time so that delegates have an opportunity to be thoughtful and informed in casting their votes.

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It was I that nominated Leo from the floor in 2007 in Perry, Ga.
Basically the problem was that unit delegates, at that point in the process, were already committed and could not change their vote.
And, there were many volunteers handing out literature.
Many of the delegates were angered by the whole process because they COULD NOT VOTE FOR LEO.
Leo was effectively excluded from the process. I sometimes find it annoying when I hear those that know little of the process accuse Leo and others for not trying to change WBCCI from within.
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It was I that nominated Leo from the floor in 2007 in Perry, Ga.
Basically the problem was that unit delegates, at that point in the process, were already committed and could not change their vote.
And, there were many volunteers handing out literature.
Many of the delegates were angered by the whole process because they COULD NOT VOTE FOR LEO.
Leo was effectively excluded from the process. I sometimes find it annoying when I hear those that know little of the process accuse Leo and others for not trying to change WBCCI from within.
It sounds like some, and hopefully more than we know, delegates are going "uncommitted", to use their own discretion. Not knowing how it all works, it does seem clear that these desperate times call for desperate measures. Those who want and are able to do SOMETHING need to get out there and DO IT!

Not to make this a thread about Leo , but I don't think anyone who has read his posts (and those others have made about him) believe he didn't try to change WBCCI from within. Sounds like he did.

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Old 05-19-2010, 04:36 PM   #112
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Most of us recognize the suppression exercised by the Leadership on the dissemination of information to the membership. With that in mind what if those intending to run for office next year have that fact announced from the floor this year. If nothing else that would make any future attempt at suppression embarrassing to the Leadership.
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Old 05-19-2010, 05:29 PM   #113
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The voting system seems to me to be seriously flawed. My unit had there business meeting a month ago. Those present voted to endorse the nominating committees slate with only one dissenting vote (mine). At this point I do not know if the delegate can even cast a portion of the votes for some one running from the floor. At any rate it does not appear to me my views will be represented and i would support Hitler and Attila the Hun for nominating committee just to vote against the candidates running.
Since there were no candidates other than the official ones no mail voting was done.
Likewise there are motions coming before the IBT which were not even known at the time of our meeting so we have no input into any of this.
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Contact your delegate and provide him (or her) information on your vote. Tell them you wish they would cast it (and all the additional votes apportioned to it) for the candidates from the floor that you prefer. I would also copy your alternate delegate. Make your wishes very clear.

Our unit had only one vote and that was to place our full confidence in our delegate. We had a long discussion in which we expressed our unhappiness with the current state of affairs. The vote was unanimous.
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Contact your delegate and provide him (or her) information on your vote. Tell them you wish they would cast it (and all the additional votes apportioned to it) for the candidates from the floor that you prefer. I would also copy your alternate delegate. Make your wishes very clear.

Our unit had only one vote and that was to place our full confidence in our delegate. We had a long discussion in which we expressed our unhappiness with the current state of affairs. The vote was unanimous.
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That is good news, as I recall, your unit is one of the largest.

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You are correct. We have approximately 320 votes.
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I hope that all of you, who are as disgusted with next years nominating committee as I am, are writing the international and your region officers about your opinion.

If you are satisfied, then tell them that.

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Any update on Mark's candidacy?

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In case no one has mentioned it yet, the DENCO Unit voted to allow their delegate to vote for anyone running from the floor.
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right to dissent

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The right to dissent is the complement of the right to speak, but these rights need not occupy the same forum at the same time. The speaker is entitled to communicate her or his message to the audience during her or his allotted time, and the audience is entitled to hear the message and see the speaker during that time. A dissenter must not substantially interfere with a speaker’s ability to communicate or an audience’s ability to see and hear the speaker. When a meeting is closed, dissent by non-attendees is limited to activity outside the meeting that does not impede access to the meeting or substantially interfere with the communication inside. When a meeting is open, the acceptable form of dissent will depend on whether the dissenter is inside or outside the meeting and on whether the dissenter is acting before, after or during the meeting.

Silent or Symbolic Protest
Displaying a sign, wearing significant/symbolic clothing, gesturing, standing, or otherwise protesting noiselessly is acceptable unless the protest interferes with the audience’s view or prevents the audience from paying attention to the speaker. Any use of signs, prolonged standing or other activity likely to block the view of anyone in the audience should be confined to the back of the room.

I believe there are black ribbons that can be attached to the WBCCI badges and have been distributed and supplied by Nuvite of Ohio that state, "Reinstate Leo."

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Responding vocally to the speaker, spontaneously and temporarily, is generally acceptable, especially if reaction against the speaker is similar in kind and degree to reaction in his or her favor. Chanting or making other sustained or repeated noise in a manner which substantially interferes with the speaker’s communication is not permitted, whether inside or outside the meeting.

I hope the attendants give them an earful at the meeting when your expulsion is announced or grievances addressed.

Audience Responsibility
The audience, like the host and the speaker, must respect the right to dissent. A member of the audience or the host organization who substantially interferes with acceptable dissent is violating these guidelines in the same way as a dissenter who violates the rights of the speaker or audience.

I wish I was able to be in attendance at Gillette this year but I could not travel that far nor incur the higher rally fees this year because of recession economics. Leo I hope you have plenty of supporters there in the field to make their discontent known and stop this foolish code of ethics gag order put out to silence the membership. I think it's a raw deal and a dirty shame to be honest with you. I can't see spending my money to support the likes of that kind of leadership that micromanages members' opinions and collects information from web searches on various members from separate forums to use discriminating against them. Big Brother is Big Bother, if you ask me. Let them make their own revenue and travel and applaud themselves on their own collective dues!!! However the treasury belongs to the members of WBCCI and NOT to the leadership and I hope your lawsuit is successful in protecting the club's assets from a relatively few shameful self serving leaders at the top of the IBT, who discredit the entire organization and send current and future members fleeing their vacinity as fast as they can be heard or seen.
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