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Old 04-07-2010, 03:19 AM   #41
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This would mean the Nominating Committee candidates would NOT be pre-selected. They would not be chosen by the previous committee.
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Bottom line...

Do we have anyone willing to be a write in?

Or, is this thread recommending a "no" vote?
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Do we have anyone willing to be a write in?

Or, is this thread recommending a "no" vote?
Here is a new thread upon how to run a candidate from your own unit. It doesn't seem to be too difficult, but you must find someone who will be able to accept and fulfill the duties. Running against the predetermined slate is a must to start showing disdane for the appointment style slam dunk each "election." (sic) Sooner or later with enough awareness and support, membership could get officers into the EC.

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Here is a new thread upon how to run a candidate from your own unit. It doesn't seem to be too difficult, but you must find someone who will be able to accept and fulfill the duties. Running against the predetermined slate is a must to start showing disdane for the appointment style slam dunk each "election." (sic) Sooner or later with enough awareness and support, membership could get officers into the EC.

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I agree. I also support Ed's move to run next year after all the "right" things have been done so he can be presented at the Unit level to the general membership as a candidate. Anyone else out there willing to help get new blood to the top should be thinking now about following his lead for next year so those of us at the Unit level can support them. Perhpas a alternate "slate" can be properly put into place for next year. Strength in numbers.......

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Now there's a two fold plan for the 1010 committee, long and short term goals! This year choose volunteers from the individual units and next year a coordinated effort for the entire slate, Woo Hoo! I support Ed and his slate of running mates and I will gladly pay the dues to be able to cast my vote.Happy Days are here again...
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Do we have anyone willing to be a write in?

Or, is this thread recommending a "no" vote?
Is there even such a thing as a NO vote?? or only an abstention which doesn't make much of a statement.
Our unit did the mail vote for the first time and the return was not much over 10%.

With out competing candidates is there a way to vote against the current selection??

If you don't vote you are really voting for the list as approved by the nominating committee.

I'm confused
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Is there even such a thing as a NO vote?? or only an abstention which doesn't make much of a statement.
Of course there is such a thing as a no vote. "No I will not be paying dues next year!!"
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Is there even such a thing as a NO vote?? or only an abstention which doesn't make much of a statement.
Our unit did the mail vote for the first time and the return was not much over 10%.

With out competing candidates is there a way to vote against the current selection??

If you don't vote you are really voting for the list as approved by the nominating committee.

I'm confused
If you were IBT you wouldn't be confused.
You'd probably be laughing.

No "NO" votes allowed for you, buckaroo!

And here's a little something from Robert on abstentions: Frequently Asked Questions
Just below #6 is something on "Votes of No Confidence".

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Of course there is such a thing as a no vote. "No I will not be paying dues next year!!"
This appears to me to be the only authentic "NO" vote available to the membership.
Otherwise, ya just gotta keep on taking it and keep on watching your dues go up.
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I personally think we should try and find as many people from as many units to run for as many positions as possible. I understand it could bring the meeting to a crawl, but if nothing else, it let them know we would like more than “one” person to “choose” from even if the person only gets their Unit votes.
It’s kind of like a restaurant that says they can fix you anything to eat as long as it’s on the menu!
I know the year Pete D. run for 3rdVP and Leo G. ran for nominating committee in Perry, GA, there was a bunch of unhappy campers (pardon the pun) because it brought the election to a crawl.
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This is a quote from one of the individuals that was at Mid Winter in responce to the original e mailing. I trust you would not want to put her through the suffering that your idea would create. She had things to do and a free roast beef lunch waiting.

Roll Call Vote--How would you or your cohorts want to roll call vote on 29 motions. That was the number of motions at the IBT meeting in Rayne. Those chairs get very, very hard and quickly! To play fair, if you have a role call vote on the C & BL, then you should have a role call vote on all motions. Glad we don't have to sit through that anymore.

You would have to supply them with cushions and most likely free drinks to hold their attention.
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I know the year Pete D. run for 3rdVP and Leo G. ran for nominating committee in Perry, GA, there was a bunch of unhappy campers (pardon the pun) because it brought the election to a crawl.
And after that little stunt they put this into the Constitution:

Article XII, Delegates Meeting, Section 7, "If there are only two (2) candidates for the two (2) Nominating Committee positions, a roll call vote may be dispensed with by unanimous consent of the Delegates. If there are more than two (2) candidates for the two (2) Nominating Committee positions, the two (2) candidates receiving the highest and second highest number of votes during the roll call vote will be elected to the Nominating Committee." (6/30/08)

Until then, they had NO idea how to handle people running from the floor for Nominating Committee.
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Yes, I was thinking about this very same thing. Clogged up the election with endless nominations from the floor. Having seen other elections, the only thing the delegates want is to vote fast and get out. It would definitely make a lot of folks upset. but everyone may get the idea.
One problem with this ideaof running for an international positon, is most of us still work. Travelling to the various units is great, but if your working, it would be impossible.
As for the International positions, isn't the lesser Veeps job basically to locate a venue for when they are International Prez?
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Working on this in my unit. Is anyone unhappy with the status quo and willing to become the next subject of a Grievance ?

Probably.
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If the WBCCI conducts the Delegates Meeting in accordance with the Constitution, a NO vote can be cast:

Sec. 5 At the Delegates Meeting all voting, except voting on procedural matters, shall be conducted by roll call
of the Units with each Delegate casting the number of votes to which that unit is entitled; unless such vote
is to be unanimous in which case a roll-call may be dispensed with. WBCCI Officers shall be elected by a
majority vote and should a candidate fail to obtain a majority upon the completion of the first roll-call, a
second roll-call will be conducted and the Delegates will choose between the two candidates who received
the highest and the second highest number of votes on the first roll-call. If there be only one candidate for
an office, a roll-call may be dispensed with by unanimous consent of the Delegates.

If a delegate objects, unanimous consent is NOT reached and the vote must be taken. At that time the Units with NO votes can have those votes rejected by the parliamentarian. But they can still be voiced.
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You know "flooding the floor" won't get a good man elected. We need to have the guy or gal willing to run THEN build the base of support among the other Units so they Vote for the Candidate.

If Ed is going to run next year perhaps we might want to think about how we are going to get our individual units to vote for him. How we go about this may be the blueprint for getting others elected at this level.

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You know - I get letters in the mail asking me to vote for boards of several organizations. They send me a nice little ballot with info about the candidates.
THAT is what we should be doing for WBCCI - I guess that is along the lines of your 1M1V concept. But think about it - members vote by all mail in ballot and the results are announced at International. Saves a ton of time. Heck, with that the nominating committee only has to verify a member in good standing and we get to pick the future of the club instead of watching the train wreck.
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You know - I get letters in the mail asking me to vote for boards of several organizations. They send me a nice little ballot with info about the candidates.
THAT is what we should be doing for WBCCI - I guess that is along the lines of your 1M1V concept. But think about it - members vote by all mail in ballot and the results are announced at International. Saves a ton of time. Heck, with that the nominating committee only has to verify a member in good standing and we get to pick the future of the club instead of watching the train wreck.
That is the basic point I was making in another post (#5 of Fun, Fellowship, and Grievances). But then, only being a Mere Member . . . .
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Robin -- you can't get a good man elected from the floor -- it is nearly impossible to get any 'good man' his or her views in front of the entire membership -- that's by design -- failing leadership believes that their little clique are the only ones that can run through the motions. Running profitably with growth is simply not possible (they conceded that long ago).

Hi,
I know the pattern is repeated at the Unit level in many Units. We are presented with a no choice slate each year. One the IBT one our own Unit.


The structure makes it next to impossible to effect change. People don't want to come to a rally EVEN the business meeting to deal with what would effect change. They want to come and have fun not do the work of the club. Yet with the internet we have so much opportunity to do so. They don't want to. How many of us have tried to get amendments to our Units and been shot down?


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