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Old 07-05-2010, 02:38 PM   #21
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complaint filing time amended strike out 30 and replce with 60 days from date of occurance

Discussion: the reason for this is to determine whether a grievance or a gripe....Betty Sullivan's comment when grievance comes in to IP he sends it toa committee. When they receive it a copy is sent to both parties. more info is requested at that time on both sides that has to be submiitted by an large 60 days elapses before that happens. Rick Bell timely matter but no time for others sit down and resolve more time will give chance for resolution and deserves consideration.
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Old 07-05-2010, 02:47 PM   #22
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john turner region 4 committee to stdy class a motorhome for current and past members
second june ryan
rationale represeting only 12/3rds membership without class a and losing members and wants special decal for mohomes to qualify for airstream
June ryan concerned about membership and they are losing members because they have to find something to drive and don't know how 109,000mile is going to hold together
came from membership 14 units so will support it to bring a committee report...Larry huttle started in may to bring this forward...an airstream is an Airstream if not on title members are opposed...
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bvans are dressed up and they can do the same with incomplete vehicle and AS can finish it with a label with having a commitment of a huge manufacturing plant as in the current bvans...who will service these...that will come up again. Do we form a committee or not? Ralh Forester to members of committee if it doesn't have airstream on its title its isn't a airstream...there is a bowles is in club...110,00 scary miles and it aint going to be an Airstream decals with the club on it...Airstreams moho were never AS and AS is on record no moho business Thor is the oarent this is about people not product what are extended families worth, remember that, a committee is too little too late. Dan mcelvey there is a difference about if this is for everyone of for everyone in the future need a motorhome should be for all members...we talk about membership retention and down the road others will leave us because their mohomes are too old, others too and no longer are not we need a committee to study it very carefully
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motion gardman IBT send motion for deliberation strike out slate of officers and list of cadidates and all candidates instead of nominees. Add qualifications/resumes for publication on org website.
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rationale selected or elected by nominating committee, membership should have more to stake their selection upon, more democracy in officer election
discussion: presented to their units...financial impact BB savings $80.00 per page...hung up on qualifications, previously outlined criteria, not automatically serving minimum of foffices and committeess...this would have nochanges in qualifications...in favor change to put in BB and on the web and many do not get on the website, so both...Rick Bell says nomination committee puts them in pecking order after personal interview do we have anyway of knowing how they are rated by nominating comittee. The BB for communication is necessary...will mover include BB as a friendlier motion? Mover is OK...Judy Beck $80.00 on internet not BB, selection published. Necessary qalifications seemed to be missing for example two to three pages of listing requirements you will not find specific anything of International officer or candidate, we ought to establish baseline qualifications. The only protection we have is chairman is a past officer, should a nominee be allowed with only written consent, in addition the delegate meeting has a time line to be publidhed for BB and notify each unit so that is there...question: policy those who are interested at IBT meeting suppose I live in Alaska at time of IBT is there a discussion of how I might be interviewed, interview by telephone, norma collier says, 1. motion she heard officers is that correct the officers of IBT pres 1 2 3 sec and treas I have hear no discussion regarding those individuals and have yet to see more than one to step forward now on the board two talked into because no one else stepped forward, the discussion has been all about the nominating committee and not officers of the EC...jerry larson says three on board different opinions but didnt have pivilege willing to choose this motion will not do anything different we will still have trouble hving more than one run for office none from floor other than nominating committee. none from units none from...delighted with selection they made, until we can get multiplys will not accomplish anything, let nominating committees get more candidates first so we have more to consider...Mr. Ewles says he was running 3r vp the other was nominated and he has contended since that day he was told only one and there is not that stipilation the only criteria is to be a member...
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a cpa wanted to run against mr, Fischer he said nominating committee would never let him get on the ticket.
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financial disbursements changed for region president and travel expense per unit and to and from and submitted budget claims submitted to headquarters. Cross funding, and unused
rationale: necessary for balanced budget reduce region officers by additional 15% for this time only.
discussion: what we dont make up budget comes out of the region officers pockets and already does. A balanced budget is nice but like eating an elephant you cant do it all at once, make it up gradually through several years. What about next year if this is a one time stop gap what happenens next year? Bob Moss reports some expense budget were not spent and next year will be as he reports when he gets to his report...these numbers are same as seen on budget, correct, yes. Barry H, cannont vote for motion Fred S. This is important to pass balanced budget this year if not here elsewhere but there was enough money left unspent on the table but irregardless i think important to pass a balanced budget this year...Don M. says int officers 25 and region 10 he siad int officers should have 50% cut becuase they had not spent mch of their funds, the region officers however need to have funds to stay in touch with units and members the int should also have another cut and not only put on region
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25% for int is permanent, for 15% additional is temporary 10 % is permanent correction but point still stands...motion unnecessary key point is balance budget as earlier item, it is one year why chnge the bylaws all you need to do it withdraw this motion and pass budget...It would be good if they all had a copy of the motion...6 years too long for region...ontario says there is a responsibility to pass a balanced budget and undermining club, you have obligation and duty to pass balanced budget perception to step back from the trough...
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discussion cont'd: we have to pass the budget but this motion should be withdrawn since it is for one year.

Parlimentarian: not amending by laws this is policy amendment majority will pass it, the motions are your motion and can change them before they get to the IBT. The reports this does not require a second, which means discussion not someone who agrees, a committee does not require a second or a discussion to take place.

Discussion: the motion calls for one year only and automatically goes back the way it was. The dollar amount drops to 43,000 so $6500 savings...Judy 47,000 to 37,000 difference of $11,000 that was last year...$36,000 reflects 10% and additional 15% also.
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IP: 200 registrations for Illinois International

Treasurer: Accentuate the positive and monitor expenses.
Cost of living adjustment for dues proposed for each year at MidWinter IBT.
recent years 4 losses 3 incomes, losses much higher

Motion 1stVP sign contract for facility and parking for 2012 Missouri
Vote-passes 17-1a

new standing committee chairmen receive badges...

$1100 for commonsense fund

Budget chairman Ralph Forester says we need to adopt balanced budget 2010-2011
Bob Moss treasurer remakes the motion 10 region officers traveling expenses revision for one year only
rationale adoption balanced budget
discussion: June Ryan for one year... need to state for year 2010-2011...Roy MacDonald yes for the members
vote: roll call asked for by Roy Mac Donald
bheikens a don clark yes 3rd botwell, yes' sandy yes treas yes pip yes , 1st reg 1 yes reg2 yes 3 yes 4yes 5yes 5a 7yes 8yes 9yes10yes11yes12 yes
vote:16-0-2a passes

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vote-18-0-0a passed

Dequoin Illinois Rally budget doesn't call for a vote it was a report

Don Clark motion from 2020 bring to delegates the motion to eliminate 3rd vp
rationale: save $4,000travel and $700MidWinter IBT for a total of $5,600 savings
discussion: Judy Bethtold discussion to show affected work load, rationale needs to be expanded, CC more info and discussion, J.Botwell cannot vote as presented because it is piecemeal and club needs to address al, region4 too many negatives have to sit down ansd talk, Moss agree to look carefully and like to emphahsize we are three times smaller now and reduction is expected, this is to carry this to members and not for them to come up with particulars,mr. Ewles housecleaning brought forward if found, this motion is from a recommendation and can add the bylaws were researched and several times over and it pretty well does it, elimination of 3rd causes changes to other officers, $5,000 minimum will make people happy staying within budget
parlimentarian points out if this fails can still come before midwinter IBT
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motion to nominate, Tom Collier is elected as nominating chairman applause

motion to create safety committee as standing committee. second
rationale too important not to be standing no financial impact beyond slight printing costs
vote-18-0-0 passes chairman to be appointed when ec reconvenes

create electronic communications standing committee
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rationale: special committee and too valuable not to be standing committee no financial impact, has budget and all work is done online
vote-18-0-0 passes

Bylaws be amended to add as a standing committee for marketing with the emphasis on increasing membership and revenue and impliment marketing stategies
rationale important to keep as a standing committee
vote-18-0-0 passes

Bob Moss moves bylaws be changed to allow investment of rally funds held during the year may be deposited in a checking account and may be...
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rationale: prevents rally committee from investing during the year at higher interest rates
move to amend to 5A
discussion to perfect on 5 and 5a then vote on 5a and if not then back to amended 5
all fees are paid out of JC
2nd shall if we leave the area and close account have to return if we change 2nd shall to may and can be paid by JC or local, either.
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vote5a-11-4-3 passes

continue to perfect 5a change first shall also to may
vote-16-2-0 passes

vote on amended 5A with boths "shall's" as "may's"
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grievance motion extend from 30 days to 60 days
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rationale: 30 may not be adequate to determine if it is a grievance or a gripe
discussion: can region go directly to try to mediate, yes
can it be settled before it is a grievance, once filed it is a grievance
it is a grievance at the point the committee determines that it is a grievance,
Betty Sullivan, chair says grievance is official when the BB standards are met, 60 days will get complaint time to be addressed or resolved, 30 days is not enough time for arbitration, "Let's be friends and let's be civil", said Rick Bell.
vote-2/3 vote 14-4-0passes
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John Turner region 4 makes motion that motohomes report and committee could be brought to midwinter IBT
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rationale: losing alot of motorhome members and potential members beause they can't buy Airstream motorhomes not currently made.
came from region 4 units passed by 13 of 14 units
discussion Thor owns Airstream so it's one company anywhere you look at it, it should be a Thor motorhome. If this motion passes and committee is made be prepared with facts because dont want to see what happened before, Guidelines and a letter to be brought back to IP
vote:repeat the vote-18-0-0passes to study options for motorhome owners Karen McKowski study
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candidates amendment candidates be announced in BB and on the web
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rationale: candidates are elected by nominating committee membership should have more to base their selection upon and need more democracy in elections
discussion: is this amending the original or housekeeping, they can continue to change until after the chair makes and seconds the motion
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Leadership votes to form a committee to explore including a THOR manufactured Class A motorhome into the WBCCI.

Not a single IBT member stood up to vote against the forming of this committee, on the basis that the WBCCI requires an Airstream manufactured RV in order to be a member of the WBCCI. 18:0:0

Didn't anyone take an oath to serve this club on the basis of its foundation? Isn't that foundation Airstream ownership?

Can somebody look up the definition of FECKLESS just one more time?

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I am wondering what unit didn't want the motorhome issue to be addressed again in region 4, Nova, too new probably, Metro Detroit? 13 units out of 14 voted for this.
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I think I missed it, did the balanced budget pass?
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yes but not without many comments about the region officers having to make up the difference alone and without majority approval so some grumbling going on there about the International officers not sharing an additional good faith cut and that region officers need and in fact well utilize their funds to meet with region unit members.
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Committee chairs selected and now drawing of 3 digit numbers.
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Did they announce where the Jan 2011 & July meetings are?
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I can't believe I sat through all these meetings and I don't know where the Mid-Winter will be, somewhere South East no doubt.

The next International in June/July 2011 will be in Du Quoin Illinois.
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Thanks carol

Thank for listening and keeping us up to date on what was going on. I listened to some but could not catch all of it.
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I had a doctors appt and could not listen past 1pm. Considering a Thor Motorhome, you really have to be kidding......either I'd be outa here, or I'd buy the worst rusted oil spewing old thor motorhome I could find and park it at Int'l ))
honestly, I think this will never happen. Why they bother even trying is beyond me.
That all being said. I'm a member of the Moose, I've picked the brains of local, district and state officers about "ethics committee" not telling them the name of the other club I belonged to. They would NEVER expel a member for his gripes. They told me perhaps foul langauge in a public post, or violence or stealing, but that's it. when members speak up that loudly, Moose International goes to the member to resolve the problem, so I'm told.
There must be people here that are members of other organizations, from the Kiwanis, Knights of Columbus to the Elks that can offer their opinion?
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