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Old 12-21-2009, 04:55 PM   #181
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I am always curious when people make comments about the Club. Do they belong? Are they just non-Airstream bystanders? Are they Airstream owners?

Gene Crawford isn't currently listed in the Directory.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please: I don't believe Genes last name is Crawford, unless his town is named after him, and I don't think it matters if he or anyone commenting here is a member or not. Trying to narrow this discussion to current and/or previous members is an unnecessary distraction from the conversation, AND, if I understand what you all have written here and elsewhere, it is current and former members who have brought the club to this point, right? Not those of us who have yet to join.
I encourage you to read and take the best ideas you can find, regardless of who wrote them. Remember, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

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Old 12-21-2009, 05:26 PM   #182
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Did someone post that Gene did not have the right to comment.? No. PeeWee just posted that he was curious about people who post here and that Gene was not in the directory. Nothing more.
If it is that simple why didn't PeeWee list all the people that posted to this thread that are not listed in the WBCCI 2009 directory?

I personally find it hard to speak for anyone. You never really know what point they are trying make. All you can do is speculate. Maybe PeeWee should speak for himself.
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Old 12-21-2009, 05:34 PM   #183
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If is that simple why didn't PeeWee list all the people that posted to this thread that are not listed in the WBCCI 2009 directory?

I personally find it hard to speak for anyone. You never really know what point they are trying make. All you can do is speculate. Maybe PeeWee should speak for himself.
I only know what he posted and you are the one that's speculating.
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Old 12-21-2009, 05:52 PM   #185
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28 viewers, and no positive comments?
Is it time to flush this toilet, or what?
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Old 12-21-2009, 06:08 PM   #186
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28 viewers, and no positive comments?
Is it time to flush this toilet, or what?
Can you explane your numbers?

I see 189 posts and 10.039 viewings. Flushing the toilet may be a bit early doesn't look like the paperwork is done yet.
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Old 12-21-2009, 06:37 PM   #187
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I am always curious when people make comments about the Club. Do they belong? Are they just non-Airstream bystanders? Are they Airstream owners?

Gene Crawford isn't currently listed in the Directory.
PeeWee... I am sure that your response is obviously in response to the earlier post about you neither owning a trailer, nor being a dues-paying member, and yet still being a club member, and I can understand your indignation at that remark.

However, I'm calling you out on this thread. In your "Charter Member Opinion" thread, I responded as a long-time Airstream owner, and former Club member in this post:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f286...tml#post767199

You chose not to respond in that thread again at all, and yet here you are in this thread stirring the pot again. The problems with the club are so obvious, they're practically prima facie. You admitted yourself in that thread that nothing's changed in the club in the fifty years since your mother started it. It's unfortunate that you're having difficulty grasping that the Club you have such affection for and are so quick to defend will die from lack of membership with the direction of it's current leadership whether or not they're right or wrong. The club's direction is not a direction that current owners are comfortable taking.


I also find your swift dismissal of the Forums here as fluff pretty interesting since many of our active members here are also active Club members; many of them have been movers and shakers in the WBCCI in the past several years... backbone of the organization kind of people. The overlap is substantial. The Forums here are neither a moving force, nor a negative force. They are merely a place for like minded folk to discuss what's on their mind, and as you can see, those discussions are taking place.

Your contributions here to the known history of Airstream ownership have been greatly appreciated. If you want the Club about which you are so passionate to survive, I suggest to you that rather than merely sparring with the dissidents, and then threatening to cut and run after the first of the year, that the Club might be better served by you carrying the message to the governing body that perhaps it's time for some change for the good of the organization. Take the opportunity to be part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

Thanks for taking the time to hear me out.

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Old 12-21-2009, 06:38 PM   #188
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In response to HowieE:
It was the number of viewers looking at this thread at the time of my last post. My comment is in regards to the last page or two of this thread being mostly pi$$ & vinegar.
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Old 12-21-2009, 06:52 PM   #189
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if forum members make comments (especially critical) about the WBCCI , you would think or assume that they are current or former members?

Otherwise the comments made do not have that much validity.

Right??
When you throw the towel in you give up the right to continue to wack at the WBCCI. If you want to hang around then have at it.

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Old 12-21-2009, 07:26 PM   #191
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What is the Name of this Forum? The Airstream Knowledge Sharing Forums. What a great concept. Lots of knowledge has been shared about Airstreams on this forum. I never knew there was a club associated with Airstreams until I started to do an inquiry on how to fix my trailer.

I like to read everything that is posted. I guess I should stay away from this continuous conflict, which has been posted under different thread titles. The only comments I have made have been about my life long experiences with clubs (35 years). Many of the same behaviors repeat themselves over and over within clubs even though they can be different activities. I see the same type of arguments with this club that I have experienced in my life time with other types of clubs.

It is like when a company hires a CEO to take over a business they have never worked for selling or building a product totally different from anything they have worked with before. These types of things have patterns that are universal.

If my making a comment has bothered anybody I apologize. Constant fighting is never going to solve anything for anybody. You can talk and talk and talk, but for the last couple of years I've been associated with this forum the same conflict keeps creeping in.

Start a new club and be done with it, go solo, or be happy with the current club. If you are going to air this stuff it is fair game for people to make comments even if they are not members of the club. They are members of this forum.

For all the years I have been involved with clubs it does not matter if the leadership changes. You will always have members who are going to pick the club apart. It is the nature of the beast.

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I am so glad this topic has come up. I am new to the road of Airstreaming! I have been trying to figure out what clubs and groups to join and not join. I operate a dairy farm with my family here in Upstate NY. So I don't get much time away. I just bought a airstream this past fall, its a fixer upper, but most are. But anyways, when I go camping its about being with my family and friends. I don't care who's in the site next to me, it can be a tent or a diesel pusher, we are all there to CAMP. Everyone has a different opinion on what camping is. Camping to me is having a great time with my family. It sounds to me that these clubs charge you $55 or $75 per year to be part of a over rated registry of owners, where politics have taken over, and you get little in return. Plus I think that my family might be a little too young for most of the units out there. I have looked at a few and it seems like they are not very family/child oriented. Hell it kills me to think I have to pay over $100 per year just to run the trailer down the road, lol.... So I guess I will be the one of many going down the road this summer with no numbers, but don't let that fool you, cause it will always have the name "Airstream" on the side of it, and my sign will always say "Welcome"
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Keep an eye on the rally calendar and threads, the forum rallies (these are not the same as WBCCI rallies) are probably right down your line. Also, WBCCI rallies vary widely from unit to unit (they are kind of like a box of chocolates) and can be a hoot. The thing about the WBCCI is you have to be able to accept that it is, to say the least, it has its flaws.....
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I am so glad this topic has come up. I am new to the road of Airstreaming! I have been trying to figure out what clubs and groups to join and not join. I operate a dairy farm with my family here in Upstate NY. So I don't get much time away. I just bought a airstream this past fall, its a fixer upper, but most are. But anyways, when I go camping its about being with my family and friends. I don't care who's in the site next to me, it can be a tent or a diesel pusher, we are all there to CAMP. Everyone has a different opinion on what camping is. Camping to me is having a great time with my family. It sounds to me that these clubs charge you $55 or $75 per year to be part of a over rated registry of owners, where politics have taken over, and you get little in return. Plus I think that my family might be a little too young for most of the units out there. I have looked at a few and it seems like they are not very family/child oriented. Hell it kills me to think I have to pay over $100 per year just to run the trailer down the road, lol.... So I guess I will be the one of many going down the road this summer with no numbers, but don't let that fool you, cause it will always have the name "Airstream" on the side of it, and my sign will always say "Welcome"
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Old 12-21-2009, 08:27 PM   #197
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I think Wally and Pee Wee encountered some cannibals when the WBCCI ventured from Capetown, South Africa to Cairo, Egypt in 1959.

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Beginning to think that the only cannibals PeeWee has encountered are on this thread
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The target is the IBT

For years itís been the tradition for those in power to avoid direct dialogue on important issues concerning the general membership. The IBTís legacy is largely responsible. There have been counter productive and misguided actions, comments and digressions. Remember the target is the IBT- -because they control and maintains the bylaws.

One canít blame or ridicule the current administration for the systemic issues and then expect them to trust our concerns and work on progressive improvements. Whatever it takes to implement changes, be they political, procedural, administrative, etc. these are factors that need to be taken into account. And it will take time. That time spent during the transition will see a continued erosion of membership as well as reduction of first-time members.

The theme of this thread, i.e., the resignation of very active, prominent and outspoken members, is another wakeup call. Never forget why they quit. As we try to avoid controversial issues among the various factions one needs to focus on the real issues. Several good ideas and policies are listed in this thread and elsewhere on AIRForums.

On Jan. 14, 2009, the WBCCIís ď2020 Long Range Planning CommitteeĒ presented a number of change proposals. See: http://www.wbcci2.org/NewDirections2020.pdf .
Itís a start, but one has to wonder what happened in the year since then. If people have to wait 10 years for any possible changes it will be too late.
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