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Old 09-27-2015, 09:08 AM   #21
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Agree, he is from SC. I invited him to attend an official club rally. That was about the time he said he was going to have everyone arrested for making death threats and bullying. He kept posting links to WBCCI.com a construction engineering company. He seemed unable to grasp WBCCI.ORG. I hope he is back on his meds and feeling better today.
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Old 09-27-2015, 09:08 AM   #22
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Bit confused by this discussion.

When we bought our 1973 Sovereign in 1979 we were the third owner. The trailer came with the original owner's WBCCI number, a WBCCI emblem, and a Mexico WBCCI caravan sticker on it. We watch 'Airstream for Sale' adds, and many older units being sold today have WBCCI numbers on them.

Were we in the wrong to leave these on the trailer? If this is an issue shouldn't the PO have removed these prior to sale?

During our travels we were never asked if we were WBCCI members, much less if we were the PO. As these items were part of our trailer's history we didn't feel any need to remove them.
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Old 09-27-2015, 09:20 AM   #23
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My opinion is that the numbers are issued to the owner not the trailer. When I sold my Bambi II I took a hair dryer to the numbers and rondel and removed them. To me it was just like removing the tags. Issue with this clown was that he was faking being a club member and was called on it by real club members. Also there were no original numbers to remove, this guy made up fake numbers and painted them with what looked a well used toothbrush.
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Old 09-27-2015, 09:24 AM   #24
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When we bought our 1973 Sovereign in 1979 we were the third owner. The trailer came with the original owner's WBCCI number, a WBCCI emblem, and a Mexico WBCCI caravan sticker on it. We watch 'Airstream for Sale' adds, and many older units being sold today have WBCCI numbers on them.
Those WBCCI numbers were legitimate when they were applied by the previous owners, so for me that's apples and oranges. Some purists might object to leaving the numbers on, especially if they use their WBCCI directory to try to look up who owns the trailer now, not realizing it has been sold to a non-member. But as you say, it's part of the trailer's history and no insult intended to any legitimate WBCCI members. I suppose it would be better if the numbers were removed, allowing the "ghost" numbers to serve as a reminder of the trailer's history instead.

Personally I wouldn't make an issue of it if I saw an owner whose trailer was still wearing a previous owner's number. I might find myself calling the new owner's by the previous owner's name when I met them for the first time after looking up the number in the Directory, but even that is a conversation-starter and a perfectly acceptable way to meet the new owners as they clear up the confusion.

On the other hand, if someone bought a trailer without numbersó or with just "ghost" numbersó and deliberately applied fake ones as that fellow did, it's a slap in the face of those of us who paid our dues to belong to the club. Which appears to be the whole point of this fellow's efforts.
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Old 09-27-2015, 10:22 AM   #25
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Surely the essence of this is that the man seemed to be doing his best to be obnoxious.

I cannot see many WBCCI members joining a lynch mob, and surely no one minds if someone leaves those (historic) numbers on the AS they buy, so long as they don't try to claim benefits that they have not paid for.

I would even seek redemption for the man and suggest that maybe an accidental series of events elevated what he might have meant to be a silly joke into a big deal that he had to defend and that others also started to feel that they had territory to defend. This is how wars start. Unnecessarily.

Send him up here. We'll strap him to a chair and make him listen to "Celine's Greatest Hits". It's like a lobotomy; there won't be any further problems.
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Old 09-27-2015, 11:38 AM   #26
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Remember, folks, the sincerest form of flattery is imitation. Let's thank the guy for thinking so much of us.
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Old 09-27-2015, 12:12 PM   #27
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I feel sorry for the man. He wants attention, and probably doesn't realize there is any other kind than bad attention. If I ever see him in a campsite, I'll choose one as far away as possible.

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Old 09-27-2015, 01:34 PM   #28
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The clowns vulgar diatribes did nothing to help his case. He brought all the negatative reactions upon his on head. Good riddance.
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Old 09-27-2015, 05:36 PM   #29
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When he played the restoration card I nearly flipped. I have done restorations of MGs and Jaguars from the 50's and the key is to get all the details exactly the same as before. If it was to be a restoration the rondelle should have been the same size as the original and the numbers indistinguishable from original. Judges look for these kind of things. They even measure them. Those numbers looked terrible. It is possible to hand paint numbers much cleaner than that. I know this as a retired sign painter.
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Old 09-27-2015, 07:58 PM   #30
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Gearheart, where you the Canadian he was threatening and insulting?
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Old 09-28-2015, 06:19 AM   #31
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In my work life I was involved in copyright and trademark issues and if the picture posted is of his unit it appears to be an infringement on the club. The interesting point is that if the club does not send him a letter and pursue his discontinuing the use of the emblem and numbers the potential exists for them to loose the trademark if in fact they have one on the emblem. The numbers cannot be trademarked (in my opinion). I would simply forward on to the club and be done with it. It's theirs to be concerned with.
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Old 09-28-2015, 06:48 AM   #32
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Some WBCCI members are club evangelists. Keeping the numbers on, from a previous owner, reduces their compulsion to ask all "Baldies" to join the club. The club makes sense (cents) for those who use the benefits. My wife and I are local PP's
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A caveat to my previous post, if memory serves me correctly in order for a trademark infringement to take place one has to profit from the infringement; ie this guy would need to benefit from his having the emblem and numbers on his trailer. ie Harley Davidson has a team of people that attend the various biker rallies looking for fake HD stuff, taking names and sending them cease and desist letters and then following up. Again not positive, just trying to recall everything we went thru and why we did so.
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Old 09-28-2015, 07:28 AM   #34
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Gearheart, where you the Canadian he was threatening and insulting?
I don't know I missed the threatening parts. Just woke up the next day and poof he was gone. I did say that if it was a resto, the number were not up to snuff. I made his Troll list so if that was a threat then yeah.
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Old 09-28-2015, 07:39 AM   #35
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I wish I had copied the entire thread before it was defeated to repost here. It did have some entertainment value. I did manage to post his picture. Should stand out in a crowd of real club members. He claims to be from SC and goes by the name of John Hoyt. He also posted a photo of a half dozen more of the 1/2 inch smaller rondels.
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I hope this won't P you all off, since some of you don't seem like people you'd want to P off...........

I have been reading some pretty nasty reactions in this thread to the ersatz WBCCI man. I would suggest that these are unnecessary, and make the writers rather more like the person they are criticizing.

Why not just chill, and move on? I wrote above that I didn't think many WBCCI folk would join a lynch mob, but.......
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I don't get it.
What's the point?
Those painted on red numbers are pretty slouchy and ugly.
If a guy was going to that extent, why wouldn't he just get a sign shop to make him some red numbers?
Part of my decision to join WBCCI was that the red numbers just go along with owning an Airstream. That just part of it. The red numbers are nearly as iconic as the trailers themselves.
I still held off until I discovered the Mississippi Unit because I was afraid any activities, camp-outs, or rallies would be too far away for a working man. When I discovered the Mississippi Unit president lives 2 doors down and there are actually rallies within the state, I paid my money, got my red numbers, and started participating.
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I do consulting work for a couple of Military organizations doing background investigations of individuals suspected of "stolen valor". There are enough to keep three investigators busy. Results are referred to the Federal General Attorneys office for further investigation and prosecution. There may be very few guilty of this in regards to WBCCI membership but even one is an affront to the club and its members.
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That's pretty terrible. But there are some of us who have added black numbers that have personal meaning. Keeps with the tradition but is clearly different.
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I think we just elevated the WBCCI numbers to the same status as FAA tail numbers or DOT Numbers.

Stolen Valor? Really? It's a camping club.
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