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Old 02-11-2004, 01:15 PM   #161
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Survey Thoughts Phred wrote:

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See attached file.....



Fred:

Could you check out the url?

I could only get the cover page to open....


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Old 02-11-2004, 01:27 PM   #162
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Thumbs up Atta Boy!

I was hoping you would post that.

good to hear it from some one as prominent as you within the WBCCI.

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Old 02-11-2004, 01:43 PM   #163
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Hey I want to read this but when I click on attachment I get:

"No attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the webmaster"
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Re: Airstream Parks

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Hey Porky, when you get to the Airstream Park in Clear Lake MN, look me up. I have a permanent site there. B37. I'll buy the first round. Its a real nice place. We stayed there in the fall of2002, in the SOB area. Loved the park. Bought an Airstream. Sold the new SOB. Bought a share in the park. Half of my retirement plan is in place and I get to use now.
Sounds good Pete ... I'm good for the second round ... hope you enjoy Guinness.

I like your retirement plan.
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Old 02-11-2004, 06:33 PM   #165
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Thoughts on Survey

See attached thoughts after 20 years as member. (Right click on attachment underlined below and click "open")
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File Type: doc survey, not phred sez.doc (23.5 KB, 157 views)
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Old 02-11-2004, 06:49 PM   #166
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Here, Here!!!

Wow Phred! Well Put! Now that is the most logical, reasoned argument for change from a long time member I have ever read.

Did you send that to the Big Honchos? I wonder if they will REALLY listen? I think the absolute refusal to move the date of the International Rally really shows how they feel about change. And the name issue, I predict, will also be smothered. But maybe I will be proven wrong. I wonder?
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Old 02-11-2004, 06:51 PM   #167
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Fred or is it Phred

Good read! especially about the mouse click generation. And it is only going to get more so. I travel around 200-250 days a year, and only get minimal vacation time. About 90% of my communication with anybody is thru cell phone, email, chat or some other electronic means. I only get my Snail Mail about once every couple of weeks...if I am lucky. I love paper magazines but they can be a pain to take with you. I love the PDF Format mags that can be printed off if I wish, or saved to a disk for later enjoyment and reference. BTW I will be joining the WBCCI and the VAC as soon as I get hooked back up with the unit I have been comunicating with. The WBCCI is only going to get changed by the people working from the inside. I have yet to meet anybody that I have had email contact with...yet, but it is obvious where the changes are going to come from. Yes I am going to be in for the long haul.

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Old 02-11-2004, 07:02 PM   #168
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Thanks for your comments.

My concern is that the committee reviewing the survey will not have (a majority)-(a minority)-(well just one) member(s) who is still working or has not yet joined WBCCI. That is who we are trying to attract.

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Old 02-11-2004, 07:26 PM   #169
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Well Said Phred!!

Outstanding - - and Karma!

Add my name to the petition and forward it to the WBCCI Airstream RV Association Honchos!

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Nice job ..Phred-Fred.

I hope the folks at WBCCI will listen and take action instead of digging in their heels.

As mentioned, Petunia and I will be joining .. but as members-at-large. I'm not sure how we can help change the club without being affiliated with a unit.
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Old 02-11-2004, 08:17 PM   #171
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Phred

For those of you who do not recognize the "Phred" from above..
He is the author of the article in the monthly BB titled "Phred Sez".

Phred is genuinly a good man. He is also the first WBCCI member that ever talked to me at a WBCCI rally. Took me under his wing so to speak for my first Rally. I will never forget it.

And best of all, guess what Unit of the WBCCI he is a member and two time Past President of?

You guessed it............

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Old 02-11-2004, 09:12 PM   #172
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I don't know if the WBCCI wants to change, or if it should. When I pointed out my concerns about what limits me as a working member from participating more, the response I got from local leadership was that it is a Caravan Club, and if I am not able to participate, then maybe I am the one who should be changing, not the WBCCI. The people in it enjoy it just fine the way it is. Which is hard to argue with. I don't want to be messing with someone elses good time. I guess it all depends on how badly the WBCCI wants my dues in the coming years.

What I really want is a weekend camping club that I can join up with when convenient, but that's not what the WBCCI is. I'm not sure they want to hear my opinion, and it's been stated here many times by every working person on the forum - surely the word must have gotten to the people at the top by now.
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Re: Thoughts on Survey

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See attached thoughts after 20 years as member. (Right click on attachment underlined below and click "open")
Bravo, Phred. I agree wholeheartedly. I just hope change can come before the club dwindles top the point that we lose those fine ladies that do the grunt work for us.
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Old 02-11-2004, 11:11 PM   #174
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Phred,

That sums it up pretty darn good, and it sounds even better coming from a veteran Airstreamer such as yourself. Thanks.

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Everyone should check out the new forum on the WBCCI website. I wrote their webmaster asking how long it has been up and running and was told it has only been a few weeks. It will be formally announced in the February issue of the Blue Beret. This is a good thing, it shows that progress is already being made and I'm encouraged by it.

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Old 02-12-2004, 03:45 AM   #176
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When I pointed out my concerns about what limits me as a working member from participating more, the response I got from local leadership was that it is a Caravan Club, and if I am not able to participate, then maybe I am the one who should be changing, not the WBCCI.
Was this recently or some time back?

This attitude is just the thing that needs to change. smily has pointed out that the South Carolina Unit he belongs to has changed but, as its been pointed out, that's just one Unit among how many Nation-wide?

Perhaps the lack of participation and the declining numbers has caused the WBCCI to smell the coffee.
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Old 02-12-2004, 06:25 AM   #177
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Repetition

Things are getting a litlle repetitious now.

Stef, as many have written in this thread, The WBCCI does have weekend events, more of them than caravans I assure you.

I think it is safe to say that most WBCCI members on this forum will agree that they have attended more weekend events than Caravans. Anybody?

As for changing, it is not necessarily a change that is the focus, but improvement is. Compliment the caravanning with events geared towards Working Family Generation, (WFG). Even as suggested, expand the WBCCI or "Airstream RV Association" to have both, a caravan intraclub and a intraclub that prefers weekend unitized camping. (which already exists, just not as an intraclub, they are the backbone of the WBCCI).

If you read Phreds thoughts, you will see in twenty years, he has been attending unit events as compared to caravans. Ask him how many of these events were in excess of three days, (Weekend days). I have never been on a caravan, I have been to over twenty weekend events and only twice to an event that was in excess of three days, (State Rallies).

maybe a poll is in order to see how many WBCCI members attend Unit rallies and how many caravan. The only problem with surveys in this forum is that the age median is lower than the overall membership of the WBCCI. I am guessing that a majority of the members of this forum, fit into the WFG.

If the median age of the WBCCI were lower, then it would evolve faster due to a majority rule. The problem lies as it always has, the WFG is deterred from joining a club that is directed by the senior community.

There is some of the senior community that may be a little resistant to the WFG directing things but I believe they are a minority. The beauty of the WBCCI is that most of the senior members have been members for up to forty years, on average, at least ten years. Therefore, that is strong indication that they too joined while they were WFG. This leads me to believe that the majority is receptive to the current WFG and they would be very excited about some new blood and a variety of things to do during the Rallies, (local, state, regional and international).

If the current membership does not receive some dilution, the strong will always be strong.

I believe that the movement is picking up speed but as Phred has pointed out, we can sometimes get a little impatient in todays society. We all too often expect off the shelf results. We have lost site of building things ourselves. Remember when we had to add with pencils instead of calculators? Remember when we had to get out the encyclopaedia instead of the internet?

The WBCCI is completely voluntary and non profit. It has been built from members and will have to be remodeled by the members. Voluntary local members.

The whole thing is a tree, the roots and the leaves are what make it grow. As the tree grows, it gets more sunlight and grows even faster. The tree cannot grow without either.
So whether you choose to be a leaf or a root, we cannot grow with out you.

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Just curious: is this the same "Phred" that wrote the "poop sheets by Phred"....or is that a different "Phred"?
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So whether you choose to be a leaf or a root, we cannot grow with out you.

My comments to the president were this year, right after he was appointed and wrote a letter to everyone saying what a great year he was hoping we would all have, and that he wanted everyone's input. So that's what I offered, along with volunteering my help. I figure you can't ask for change and not offer to be involved as well. Lets just say it wasn't as well received as I would have liked. However some other members have been very supportive of my ideas.

It was all very polite, but it pretty much ended in a challenge to prove that there ARE any young people with AS out there, which is why I have been encouraging people who want a fun weekend campout to come to the Newberry Crater Rally in August. At the very least the unit will see that if you schedule an event like that, there are people who will come.

I'm still in the club for now, but lets just say that it's a chicken and the egg thing - They don't want to plan events for active, younger people if there aren't any in the club, but younger folks won't join if there aren't any activities for them. That's where I think it will be hard for the change to really happen, at the unit level.
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