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Old 04-02-2008, 01:24 PM   #241
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Thumbs down

I don't think a proposal from IBT members given down to the units for them from the regional officers to vote on, should judiciously be viewed as a unit member driven initiative once the results come back. The machinations and liberties taken never cease to amaze me as to just how far the envelope can be pushed to move ahead their own agenda.

"Also note the amendment preserves the eventual purity of the Airstream product club, since Four Winds motorhome owners will eventually “age out” of RVing and no one else will be authorized to purchase a Four Winds motorhome"

Well I don't see the equity in that. Why can't other members have them? What is so special about this group of people that the rules get made for them and then closed back around them after they have gotten what they want? Interesting. Not to mention that there are plenty of young members owning vintage Airstream Motorhomes right now. Talk about tunnel vision...

Now a very witty member of this forum mentioned to me that this all reads like a saga of Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman. I wonder just what we will be doing to mark our time to 2020 waiting for the results of that committee. Or do they just anticpate aging out by then. Anyone going to set up that date board with wagers?
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:05 PM   #242
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If it is so darned (I'm playing nice here!) important for our "friends" who no longer are able to manage a travel trailer to remain members of the WBCCI, why can't they keep the wording as is above (i.e. that they be members in good standing and own an Airstream/Argosy motor home at the time of this amendment) plus add the stipulation that their membership be commuted to an associate level without voting privileges or rights to hold office.

I could support such an amendment so that the members that have given so much to the Club could remain in the Club a few more years. But anything less in my opinion wreaks of the IBT's self serving, special interest, mierda de toro! Sorry, for those who speak Spanish and are offended...I really tried to keep it PG as long as I could.
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Old 04-02-2008, 02:42 PM   #243
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Mierda de toro INDEED!

I vote NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! to the never ending machinations of the IBT. (and to the amendment)
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:51 PM   #244
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Here is the information in the current SCCU newsletter:
It may be that the thinking is
If you are a WBCCI member who currently owns an Airstream motorhome and you do not want to tow a trailer, we will allow you to purchase a Four Winds class A motorhome and retain your WBCCI membership (instead of losing another member). [/B]
This is all about Thor adding some marketing spice to their 4-winds product line since it has no character of it's own. "If you can't be it, try to share it"...

This campaign is all about marketing and all about image and not meaning or substance. And what's this "we will allow you to purchase a 4-winds motorhome..."? If the hook is that you already own an Airstream, what difference does it make what other SOB you buy?

Some Thor corporate lacky is really greasing WBCCI leadership to get this on the ballots... Once the precedent is set, what comes next?
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Old 04-02-2008, 09:16 PM   #245
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Old 04-03-2008, 08:52 AM   #246
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You know, I'm so against the idea of letting in non-Airstreaming RVers, but sometimes I wonder if a kind of "don't ask / don't tell" policy (unwritten, of course) might be appropriate.

The thing is that we've got lots of current WBCCI members who no longer own their Airstreams (or any other RV), but who show up only for the luncheons. Lots of these folks are elderly and have given up on RVing. And I don't think anybody's wanting to kick these people out of the club.

In effect, then, we've already got "don't ask / don't tell" for these folks. They can still attend these functions, but, almost assuredly, they can't hold positions within the club. Again, in these cases, it's pretty much unwritten policy.

So, ok, if somebody wants to get rid of the Airstream, they still can be members, unofficially. Their chances of being elected to any position are practically zilch.

What all this means for the currrent situation is that the proposal must, of course, turned down again. But in its place, I'd suggest just a little insurance policy: That a new policy simply state that potential officers of the club must currently own an Airstream.

But, of course, this could all be goofy. It's not been a good morning anyway, so the noodle is not functional. (Today after a visit from the vet, we take our little Toby Doggie to the crematorium. It is a very sad day for Maria and me.)


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Old 04-03-2008, 09:50 AM   #247
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If you read Article VII, Section 2C, of the Constution, you will see that a member who sells his Airstream can remain a member as long as she/he continues to pay dues. The Blue Book with this info can be downloaded from WBCCI.org
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Old 04-03-2008, 11:57 AM   #248
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But, of course, this could all be goofy. It's not been a good morning anyway, so the noodle is not functional. (Today after a visit from the vet, we take our little Toby Doggie to the crematorium. It is a very sad day for Maria and me.)


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Old 04-04-2008, 06:58 AM   #249
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And I kind of like that "alumni class" label.

Thinking of this -- and I'm still not really there, after yesterday's traumatic trip -- maybe it's time not just to sit around and bitch about what Florida's up to. Yes, the world's dumbest amendment will need to be defeated again. But how about bringing up ideas for alternative proposals that would put the entire complex of problems to bed.

So suppose that we have something like an alumni label at the international level. They used to own an Airstream and want to belong. (Don't ask and don't tell about what rig they do or do not own now.) Alumnis have cheap dues, maybe can purchase a subscription to the Blue Beret or so, can't hold office, can't reserve spaces at rallies.

But all regular members have to own an Airstream. Written in practically every paragraph of the constitution.


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Our unit, ENCU, voted NO (I believe it was unanimous) last weekend at our rally in New Bern, NC
I am disgusted that our region is even discussing this issue.

Hopefully the majority of units give it a thumbs down so it doesn't even get past the regional level.

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Old 04-04-2008, 10:11 AM   #251
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I thought Region 3 missed the March 1 deadline for new motions. Has the deadline been extended? Leo can you clarify timing deadlines for new motions?
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Old 04-04-2008, 03:03 PM   #252
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Latest word is that nothing arrived at headquarters. Guess that means that it is dead for this year. But, look out for Madison in 2009!
That's what was said back early in March (#150 on this thread) I guess it's still true. Hope so, anyway.

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Old 04-04-2008, 09:13 PM   #253
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If you read Article VII, Section 2C, of the Constution, you will see that a member who sells his Airstream can remain a member as long as she/he continues to pay dues. The Blue Book with this info can be downloaded from WBCCI.org
Jim, there's one more small but very important part of this section of the Constitution "...provided such members do not own another brand of recreational vehicle except such Regular Members may own another brand of recreational vehicle that is parked in a permanent or semi-permanent location to be used by the members as a vacation facility or as a home. (6/29/96)
Emphasis mine (actually it is Art VI Qualification of Members).
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Old 04-05-2008, 11:00 AM   #254
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It's Important...

to get the word out about this, for this year's Delegate's mtg., either way. If the word is out the delegates will be ready for it if it comes up. If not, the awareness factor will surely jolt all into dis-belief that this subject has come up again.

We have to stay AHEAD of this ball! These silly ideas are seriously effecting the membership. People are dropping out. Many have sent word that they will not be renewing in the WBCCI because the're not focused on the members, saying "there's nothing in it for me" -- just silly ideas. Oh, these same folks are staying in the VAC as associate members!

No means NO! No matter how you put it or how it sounds. Bringing this up again shows desparation. It shows how incredibly narrow-minded and panic-driven these members are.

Perhaps we should all buy life memberships and rock the vote.

Let's all keep strong and keep moving forward. Let's figure out what we can all do to make the WBCCI exciting and forward thinking? Spread the word about how silly this idea is and get back to focusing on AIRSTREAMs!
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It is not possible to remain a member of the VAC if you drop membership in the WBCCI. The VAC is an intra club and membership in the parent club is required. Associate membership is reserved for WBCCI members who have Airstreams newer then 25 years.
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That is correct Richard, I stand corrected... SUBSCRIBER is the term I should have used. OOps!

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I knew you knew that! BTW, great job on the newsletter. Are you guys going to the RMVAC rally this year?
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I knew you knew that! BTW, great job on the newsletter. Are you guys going to the RMVAC rally this year?
Sometimes I think too fast for my typing! That's why I have a couple (several) proof readers to watch over me!

Tim has to work that week so we decided to go to the International in Bozeman.

Thanks for the kudos on the newsletter. It is great fun. New issue in the mail this next week and working on a special International issue to come out shortly after.

Will you be at Bozeman? And, when will you be sending in your FCu rally stories and pics for the VA? Upcoming rally announcements? etc.? ...no pressure!

Let's all focus on keeping members, bringing in new members and blow this recurring MOHO issue out of the pool . Spread the word on how silly and defeating it really is.

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Old 04-23-2008, 09:42 AM   #259
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The proposed amendment was just defeated. It will not be sent on to the IBT.

Any Unit can bring it back up, but it is dead for now.

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The proposed amendment was just defeated. It will not be sent on to the IBT.
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