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Old 09-26-2021, 09:09 AM   #21
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Do I pay $120k for a 2016 2x4?
Or $167 for a 2017 4x4?
Is it worth $47k?
Isn’t there also an added insurance cost?
Heavier fuel costs?
Hi

The far more significant question: do you head over to a dealer and pay (maybe) $180K for a brand new 2022?

The used RV market is insane right now. Prices are not rational on any make or model. Paying *over* MSRP for a new-ish MH seems to be something people are willing to do ( or at least dealers hope so based on pricing ...).

If you can wait, and the budget allows, order up a new one. I'd say that's a slam dunk compared to the price of the 2017, 4x4 or not.

To answer the questions:

All of these vehicles are *very* heavy.

Fuel wise, they pretty much do what they do. Modern 4x4's do not seem to do any worse on fuel, regardless of make or model.

Insurance wise, one would expect to pay more for a vehicle with a higher valuation. One might wonder *what* value they would put on the 2017 .... I've never heard of a premium for 4x4.

On a new build would I ( = did I) go for a 4x4 and pay the up charge? Yes, it's worth it to me.

Bob
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Old 09-26-2021, 10:44 AM   #22
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Do I pay $120k for a 2016 2x4?
Or $167 for a 2017 4x4?
Is it worth $47k?
Isn’t there also an added insurance cost?
Heavier fuel costs?
^^ Everything UNCLE BOB said ^^

My added take - decide your pricepoint, MY, & options you need FIRST. Have your cash or financing ready. Then do your search. When one shows up, take action asap to at least check the unit out either in person or via a proxy 3rd person or inspector. In today's market, if those units are in excellent condition, by the time you read my response here, chances are high they would be sold!

PS - Just sold my 2019 Honda Odyssey Elite to Carmax that we used for almost 2yrs and 9,000 miles for only $900 less than I paid in Dec 2019. Of course I paid below dealer cost at end of year and it was in near mint condition. I queried the Carmax assessor and he rated it 10/10. In his words - "never seen a 2yr old minivan with this mileage still smell like it came out of factory". That made me happy.
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Old 09-26-2021, 12:52 PM   #23
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Hi

The far more significant question: do you head over to a dealer and pay (maybe) $180K for a brand new 2022?

The used RV market is insane right now. Prices are not rational on any make or model. Paying *over* MSRP for a new-ish MH seems to be something people are willing to do ( or at least dealers hope so based on pricing ...).

If you can wait, and the budget allows, order up a new one. I'd say that's a slam dunk compared to the price of the 2017, 4x4 or not.

To answer the questions:

All of these vehicles are *very* heavy.

Fuel wise, they pretty much do what they do. Modern 4x4's do not seem to do any worse on fuel, regardless of make or model.

Insurance wise, one would expect to pay more for a vehicle with a higher valuation. One might wonder *what* value they would put on the 2017 .... I've never heard of a premium for 4x4.

On a new build would I ( = did I) go for a 4x4 and pay the up charge? Yes, it's worth it to me.

Bob
Can you get one new for $180k?

I’m not sure how long I’m willing to wait for COVID to stop and RV prices to plunge. It’s been two years now. Is like to get camping now.
I’m super new to the class B side of things. But I do love the AI. And I also love 4x4’s. Not that this can do any wheeling. But like other have mentioned. It’s nice when you do need it and resale value is important to me. We don’t keep things long and monthly payments are my main concern.

Good info Bob. Much appreciated
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:02 PM   #24
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Do I pay $120k for a 2016 2x4?
Or $167 for a 2017 4x4?
Is it worth $47k?
Isn’t there also an added insurance cost?
Heavier fuel costs?



Hi

With lots experience in 2wd and 4wd … same fuel mileage

Not a fraction of a difference in insurance costs.

If your options are:

2016 option with almost 40k miles and no warranty

2017 option 4wd with 10k miles and extended warranty plus prepaid-service

Well, you’d have to look at utility / value of ski vacations with more traction. Plus extra market value of the 4wd when you resell

Put 30k miles on both and try to resell.

You’ll have 70,000 miles on a 2016 2 Wheel Dr. unit… And you’ll be trying to sell it against another 25+ 2 Wheel drive 2016 units maybe. Sellers compete against each other - and lower price will win out. A buyers market. That means somebody with a lower their price will get the buyer…



On the 2017 4wd… There may be 1 to 3 units for sale in the market… And you’ll have 40,000 miles on it - not 70,000 miles.



I’ll take a guess and say the 2016 unit might be worth $70-$80,000 in three years and an extra 30,000 miles (70 K total) I’ll take another guess and say with 40,000 miles on a 2017 four-wheel-drive unit… It might be worth 160 to 170… After airstream moves their pricing on the interstate up to 240 K… Which is the target List pricing on a four-wheel-drive unit for 2023.

All free feedback .. price of advice infers the quality of advice (free advice, smile)… Nobody knows for sure… Make your own choice, but just know that supply and demand work in every single market in the whole world. When there’s a lot of other options out there, people have other choices and price usually wins out. When there are less options (less four-wheel-drive units) they hold their value better and people selling don’t feel the need to discount heavily… Because a buyer who wants a four-wheel-drive unit will find it.


Cirrus Aircraft:
I couldn’t be more passionate about selling items in short supply… I certainly priced serial number 1000, serial number 2000, serial number 3000 at a premium because all three of those aircraft were worth more money. With custom paint schemes… And custom tail numbers… Why would I sell them for the same price as the common aircraft. Like it or not, a 2 Wheel Dr., Airstream interstate is a “common“ and a readily available van. I don’t wanna offend anybody… It’s just supply and demand. And if someone has a 2 Wheel Dr. with leveling jacks… Now we’re talking about something unique… And if you add air suspension and leveling jacks… Well that’s something which is differentiated amongst the sea of other 2 Wheel Dr. interstates.

Here’s some airplane photos for fun! Serial number 2000 in pearl silver one-of-a-kind paint with tail number N2000 .. .Well yes, that special silver pearl paint did add 40lbs to the aircraft weight (yikes).

Vans - back to Interstate vans

Good luck with your purchase, whatever you decide will be fine, I’m sure.

Airstream offers a great product, and the vans offer so much utility. Lots of memories created with our vans and kids over the years!!

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Old 09-26-2021, 09:07 PM   #25
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Thanks Scott.
I really appreciate your input and spending time with me today on the phone.
It’ all makes sense.
My family is very excited about starting our adventures in this rv.
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Old 09-26-2021, 09:55 PM   #26
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We switched from a 2010 2500 Sprinter passenger van to a 2016 Sprinter 4X4 2500 pasenger van both 144 inch wheel base shorty low tops. The 4X4 has a much harsher ride than 2wd, but has more ground clearance. The whine from the front differential is very noticeable while drving. The 4 wheel drive system is temperamental , meaning you must be rolling in neutral to engage or disengage the Mercedes modified 4-matic tranfer case. So, if you get stuck in two wheel drive, youre going to be stuck since the 4X4 system requires it to be rolling to engage. Thats our only complaint. Mikesge is about 16-17 doing 75 on western US interstates.But we have 18 inch mudder all terrain tire. The 2wd got about 19-21 depending on wind. We tow a 29ft Squarestream with our Sprinter
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Old 09-27-2021, 05:49 AM   #27
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We switched from a 2010 2500 Sprinter passenger van to a 2016 Sprinter 4X4 2500 pasenger van both 144 inch wheel base shorty low tops. The 4X4 has a much harsher ride than 2wd, but has more ground clearance. The whine from the front differential is very noticeable while drving. The 4 wheel drive system is temperamental , meaning you must be rolling in neutral to engage or disengage the Mercedes modified 4-matic tranfer case. So, if you get stuck in two wheel drive, youre going to be stuck since the 4X4 system requires it to be rolling to engage. Thats our only complaint. Mikesge is about 16-17 doing 75 on western US interstates.But we have 18 inch mudder all terrain tire. The 2wd got about 19-21 depending on wind. We tow a 29ft Squarestream with our Sprinter


Not my experience with my last four 4wd AS Interstate 3500 dual rear wheel vans.

Might be the case with the single rear wheel 2500 cargo or passenger FedEx spec vans.
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Old 09-27-2021, 10:30 AM   #28
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Can you get one new for $180k?

I’m not sure how long I’m willing to wait for COVID to stop and RV prices to plunge. It’s been two years now. Is like to get camping now.
I’m super new to the class B side of things. But I do love the AI. And I also love 4x4’s. Not that this can do any wheeling. But like other have mentioned. It’s nice when you do need it and resale value is important to me. We don’t keep things long and monthly payments are my main concern.

Good info Bob. Much appreciated
Hi

Yes, you should be able to get one ordered in for $180K just about anywhere in the country. With some shopping, $168K for a new one ordered is still possible.

https://www.airstream.com/touring-co...Color&model=14

MSRP on the 2022 19' is $176,098. 4WD adds just under $10K. That gets you to about $186K Some dealers appear to still be doing 10% off MSRP for orders. That would get you to $168K. Might your dealer be at 5% below vs 10% ... sure.

If the dealer is only doing orders at MSRP (or worse yet over MSRP), call another dealer . There are lots of them out there.

On a vehicle ready to go on the lot ... that's different. There essentially aren't any. Who knows what you might pay for the only one out there.

Bob
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Yes, you should be able to get one ordered in for $180K just about anywhere in the country. With some shopping, $168K for a new one ordered is still possible.

https://www.airstream.com/touring-co...Color&model=14

MSRP on the 2022 19' is $176,098. 4WD adds just under $10K. That gets you to about $186K Some dealers appear to still be doing 10% off MSRP for orders. That would get you to $168K. Might your dealer be at 5% below vs 10% ... sure.

If the dealer is only doing orders at MSRP (or worse yet over MSRP), call another dealer . There are lots of them out there.

On a vehicle ready to go on the lot ... that's different. There essentially aren't any. Who knows what you might pay for the only one out there.

Bob

I’m looking for a 24 3500 which Ive found. Just pulling things together today to make it happen.
Thanks Bob
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Old 09-27-2021, 11:33 AM   #30
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I’m looking for a 24 3500 which Ive found. Just pulling things together today to make it happen.
Thanks Bob
Hi

Ok, but this is a thread about the Interstate 19. I sort of assumed that was what you were after since you had not mentioned anything different earlier.

Which floor plan 24 are you looking at? The GT, GL, and X each are a bit different from each other.

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