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Old 07-10-2016, 11:01 AM   #1
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Have u sold ASI to dealer ?

I went to a dealer recently to disc them buying my used ASI. In the course of the disc he printed out a report showing NADA wholesale (what dealers expect to pay) and retail (what a private buyer would pay) values. I don't want to turn this into a debate abt accuracy of Nada bc other threads have covered that. What was interesting to me was the margins dealers expect on these. Basically the implicit profit margin they are expecting is 28% because the wholesale was $58k and retail was $74k -I.e. ($74-58)/58. It's actually worse than that for us owners because he says they usually try to buy at 20% below wholesale value, esp on trade ins Incidentally I noticed a dealer that is advertising new 2016 ASI for $120k range which suggests huge margins off msrp.

My question for those of you who have also had disc with dealers about buying your used ASI is what type of margins are they baking into their disc with you? What is their proposed price or trade in value versus what market value is? There are a lot of stereotypes about a "used car salesman" but just wanted to get the Interestate community feedback on this. I know if we don't like dealer buy prices there's always the CL and other sell it yourself options but there's a cost to dealing with the flakes out there in cyberspace.
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Old 07-10-2016, 03:24 PM   #2
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I had one dealer offer about $63K and the MB dealer I bought from offered $45. I based my original asking price on the midpoint between NADA retail (private party) and wholesale. Most of my inquiries came from CL.
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Old 07-10-2016, 04:03 PM   #3
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If you don't want to deal with the Flakes consider putting it up on consignment. I have sold 2 trailers that way. 10% is a lot less than $26,000.

The classified section here has a lot of traffic and a reduced number of Flakes
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:21 PM   #4
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Dealers always try and pay under wholesale.. That way if it sits on their lot for too long and they have it on their floor plan (dealer line of credit) they get hit with a curtailment payment after 30 or 45 days..

If they don't sell it then they try and take it to auction and sell it to another dealer at wholesale, so if they paid under wholesale they might just break even after floor plan and auction fees..
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Old 07-11-2016, 07:23 AM   #5
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One possible factor in the decision of whether or not to take on the "flakes" yourself is what year and model of ASI do you have?

I'm no expert but I have watched the sales listings for about a year and a half now. Some Interstates seem to sell easier and faster than others, to the extent that I am able to infer activity as a third party watching the internet. A properly-priced T1N is a rare bird and will vanish quickly. A lounge model NCV3 not so much. There have been many of those on the market and people typically skulk around looking for a good deal if that's the model they want. On average, "twin" (ish) models of both vintages may sell faster than lounge models of either, because they appear to represent minority production runs. Only about one T1N rear sleeper (RS) comes onto the national market per year (its closest NCV3 analog is the EXT Twin). It's a classic supply and demand equation.
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One possible factor in the decision of whether or not to take on the "flakes" yourself is what year and model of ASI do you have?

I'm no expert but I have watched the sales listings for about a year and a half now. Some Interstates seem to sell easier and faster than others, to the extent that I am able to infer activity as a third party watching the internet. A properly-priced T1N is a rare bird and will vanish quickly. A lounge model NCV3 not so much. There have been many of those on the market and people typically skulk around looking for a good deal if that's the model they want. On average, "twin" (ish) models of both vintages may sell faster than lounge models of either, because they appear to represent minority production runs. Only about one T1N rear sleeper (RS) comes onto the national market per year (its closest NCV3 analog is the EXT Twin). It's a classic supply and demand equation.
Very insightful post. You're more expert than u give yourself credit for.


I wonder however if the demand is less a function of people wanting T1N model and more a function of seeking T1N prices. Used Interstates seems to depreciate at rate of $7-8k per year, but then a much bigger drop in between the 2009 to 2007 model years, which happens to be when T1N phased out. It's hard to say therefore whether higher demand is for T1N model or just for lower priced Interstates (I.e. Would those people who want T1Ns be just as happy if you offered them a NCV3 at the same price?). My $0.02.
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Very insightful post. You're more expert than u give yourself credit for.


I wonder however if the demand is less a function of people wanting T1N model and more a function of seeking T1N prices. Used Interstates seems to depreciate at rate of $7-8k per year, but then a much bigger drop in between the 2009 to 2007 model years, which happens to be when T1N phased out. It's hard to say therefore whether higher demand is for T1N model or just for lower priced Interstates (I.e. Would those people who want T1Ns be just as happy if you offered them a NCV3 at the same price?). My $0.02.
Prices in adjacent model years (T1N vs. NCV3) appear to be converging faster than I would have predicted, and some of it may be based on buyer perception rather than any objective valuation criteria. A year and a half ago, there was a bigger jump than exists now, to the point where I can't always predict whether I'm looking at a T1N or an NCV3 based on price alone (e.g., if I'm just seeing a sales thumbnail with no detail). Occasionally there's a mint-condition T1N that's actually priced higher than some of the oldest NCV3s.
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Old 07-12-2016, 08:20 AM   #8
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I was thinking of trading my 31' 1978 AS in on a newer 24' AS and the dealer only wanted to allow me $900.00 ,,,,,so I kept it and it's still working fine. Its better to put a few thousand into a good trailer then many thousands into a new one that will keep you going back to the dealer every time you tow it !
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:35 AM   #9
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Here's an example of some of the crazy pricing that can happen with resales. I had to screengrab this one because I can't see it lasting and I thought people wouldn't believe it once the posting was taken down. A 2016 GT with 417 miles on it for $114,795... whaaatt??! If it were any other seller, I'd suspect a scam listing, but it's PPL and it appears to be legit. Some buyer is fixin' to get quite a deal, apparently.

I have no association with the sellers - just posting this for interest.
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Here's an example of some of the crazy pricing that can happen with resales. I had to screengrab this one because I can't see it lasting and I thought people wouldn't believe it once the posting was taken down. A 2016 GT with 417 miles on it for $114,795... whaaatt??! If it were any other seller, I'd suspect a scam listing, but it's PPL and it appears to be legit. Some buyer is fixin' to get quite a deal, apparently.

I have no association with the sellers - just posting this for interest.
You can buy a brand new from Airstream dealer right now in the low to mid 120's so sounds about right to me.
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Yep, that 2016 may be a year old already.

The price seems about right to me as well.
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Old 07-14-2016, 02:20 PM   #12
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That surprises me... I know more about the range of T1N prices, but that thing is brand new. If that's the case, then I'd have to conclude that there are a fair number of over-priced NCV3s on the market. That's a price I often see asked for 3 year old Interstates.
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If that's the case, then I'd have to conclude that there are a fair number of over-priced NCV3s on the market.
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That surprises me... I know more about the range of T1N prices, but that thing is brand new. If that's the case, then I'd have to conclude that there are a fair number of over-priced NCV3s on the market. That's a price I often see asked for 3 year old Interstates.
Your conclusion is spot on - many NCV3s are overpriced with a 25% off sale on new 2016s. Within the past 4-6 weeks, dealers have been aggressively marking down new and used Interstates. I too have seen them in low to mid $120k for new EXT 2016 version. Sometime after 2012 model the msrp went up from $120ks to $160ks without much additional features so Thor and its dealer network were just taking the opportunity to pad its margins. And so now they have plenty of room to cut price to make room for the 2017 models. With the new 2016s being advertised for 25% off msrp now, you are going to see trickle down effect in the used market as well for all model years, not just recent model years. It always just takes sellers some time to accept this new reality and try to get ahead of the wave.
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Both my husband and I would have expected a new 2016 GT to be higher just on the basics of supply and demand, even with end-of-season price-cutting, for the simple reason that GTs are difficult to come by in greater Houston. No dealer has ever told me that they were expecting any in - they say they can't get them because they're just not available (I've asked multiple times because I'd like to take a peek). I've heard stories about Houstonians going all over the country for them. A few weeks ago, Forum member Galveston Girl went to New Braunfels for one (I think that one was a GT). I've no doubt that some Houstonians get them some of the time, but clearly there's been a supply issue. Maybe the mobility (the fact that people often travel to get them) nullifies that effect.
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@interblog. I think what you are experiencing is the inefficiencies of a niche market. There just isn't a lot of new supply because demand in a niche market like this is also pretty low. For example top dealers on west coast sell 15 units a year (I suspect it's higher in East coast). So getting exactly what you want, where you want can be a challenge esp at end of model year. The supply of used is much higher bc a lot of folks buy these and after a trip or two realize it was a mistake and RV life isn't for them. Demand for used slightly better if pricing is aggressive enough but probably not enough to soak up all the additional supply.

If you're looking, 2016 GT are in stock in Las Vegas last I checked. I suspect if you brought them an ad from TN (which may not have GT in stock but showed a 2016 new priced under in $120k range) you'd get a very good deal on the GT you want. Maybe you have to pay shipping or drive it 16 hours home and hopefully you don't gamble away all your savings before you get home !

I can give you details and phone numbers if you are interested. I have no affiliation with any of these parties and don't have a dog in this fight. Just have done some research so feel confident I know the market reasonably well and happy to share this if it helps.
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Just sold our 2013 AI extended lounge. Sold it on a fixed price agreed upon consignment. i.e., we agreed on a price, and the dealer would keep anything they got above that price.

It took just over 3 months for them to sell it. The amount we got was just under what the NADA guide calls "low retail." I don't know how much they sold it for, and they will not tell us.

We'd tried to sell it on our own, with no luck. Not just no luck, but, no bites at all. So, decided to go this route.
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Just sold our 2013 AI extended lounge. Sold it on a fixed price agreed upon consignment. i.e., we agreed on a price, and the dealer would keep anything they got above that price.

It took just over 3 months for them to sell it. The amount we got was just under what the NADA guide calls "low retail." I don't know how much they sold it for, and they will not tell us.

We'd tried to sell it on our own, with no luck. Not just no luck, but, no bites at all. So, decided to go this route.
Since average retail was a little north of six figures, they probably got somewhere around $90K.
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Just sold our 2013 AI extended lounge. Sold it on a fixed price agreed upon consignment. i.e., we agreed on a price, and the dealer would keep anything they got above that price.

It took just over 3 months for them to sell it. The amount we got was just under what the NADA guide calls "low retail." I don't know how much they sold it for, and they will not tell us.

We'd tried to sell it on our own, with no luck. Not just no luck, but, no bites at all. So, decided to go this route.

Curious to know whether it was an early or late (Magnum equipped) 2013, and whether it had any attractive upgrades such as additional batteries and solar.


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Curious to know whether it was an early or late (Magnum equipped) 2013, and whether it had any attractive upgrades such as additional batteries and solar.


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I believe it was built in May 2013. It was Magnum equipped. In addition, we had Lew upgrade our whole system to 200w...upgraded wiring, etc, 2 6v Lifeline golf cart batteries. We had upgraded to Koni shocks, added a TPMS system. It didn't seem to matter. Was difficult to sell it.
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