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Old 05-07-2020, 02:38 PM   #1
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Considering purchasing a 2019 AI 19 “shorty”. Need advice

Hi all! I’d like to purchase a used 2019 AI 19. I know that the 2020 is built on the new chassis, making the 2019 far less desirable. But this will be my first AI and I want to be sure the 19 will suit us. What advice would you give me? Am I crazy to think about a used 2019 vs the new chassis 2020? What will I be missing out on?
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Are you familiar with these Interstate 19 threads?

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f24...-a-194390.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=AI+1...=airforums.com

There are quite a few recent posts, and you could "Quote" any one of them to ask how everyone feels about their AI 19' now. Also FYI here are some Interstate 19' search results which disclose a variety of posts/threads where you might get some valuable info:

https://www.google.com/search?q=AI+1...=airforums.com

With the AI 19' being a relatively new design, and the 2020 also being a somewhat new design, if you could find a good used model, that might be to your advantage, especially if the price is right. With the virus situation, it may be a "buyer's market" right now IMO.

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PS -- Apparently there is a FaceBook group too.

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f24...rs-206211.html
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Am I crazy to think about a used 2019 vs the new chassis 2020? What will I be missing out on?
There is nothing on the new chassis that is "can't do without."

I have a 2018 on the 2017 chassis and I would not put out the great amount of cash that would be necessary to get the new chassis.

I'm spoiled by driving a Genesis day to day with adaptive cruise control, lane following, heads-up display, etc., but the amount I use the AI, I can perform those functions myself.

The thing I would like best on the 2020 is the improved driver's seat. Not to say that the older seat is bad ... it definitely is not. It is just that the new seat is better.
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Hi all! I’d like to purchase a used 2019 AI 19. I know that the 2020 is built on the new chassis, making the 2019 far less desirable. But this will be my first AI and I want to be sure the 19 will suit us. What advice would you give me? Am I crazy to think about a used 2019 vs the new chassis 2020? What will I be missing out on?
That's some pretty open-ended questions you've asked.

First, why have you settled on the 19'? What makes you think you want a 19' over the extended version? What criteria are you using to judge what you want and don't want?

I find features to be far less desirable than van length, personally... although I have a 22' T1N based '04 and don't think (from experience) that I'd want a 24'. Other than that. For me, I find the Mercedes NCV3 and later chassis reliability issues and repair expenses more of a problem than van length or coach features. I also find the newer systems far more problematic for me than year-model issues.

It would be helpful to know what your thoughts are on your choices before trying to shotgun out advice that may not be helpful to you at all.
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We have the EXT (24'4" long). I have never found the length difficult to deal with when driving, but one does have to be selective about parking spaces. But I would never give up the extra length. We seldom do weekend trips, usually 10+ days. Went to AK for 6 weeks and had room for 2+ weeks of clothes, 6 weeks of non-perishable food, grill, charcoal, and lots of 'emergency' parts and tools that we thankfully never needed. We always leave the bed made up (just the two of us). Not sure how/if that is possible with the shorty. Obviously intended usage determines what tradeoffs you are willing to accept. Some like a tow vehicle, but I've never seen the point/need of one with the Interstate. We wanted something small enough that we didn't need a tow vehicle.
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Hi all! I’d like to purchase a used 2019 AI 19. I know that the 2020 is built on the new chassis, making the 2019 far less desirable. But this will be my first AI and I want to be sure the 19 will suit us. What advice would you give me? Am I crazy to think about a used 2019 vs the new chassis 2020? What will I be missing out on?



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Far less desirable?

We specifically avoided the 2020, strategically avoided I should say.

Unlike the auto industry, new chassis (and interior fit up which follows) can take Airstream years to figure out. I didn’t feel like multiple service center visits helping AS with QC and design feedback. We’ve owned multiple interstate units, and there’s nothing on the 2020 which seemed compelling to me. Now the 2014 vs 2014.5 upgrade made sense to me, the 2017 unit with its improvements like getting rid of the Fiamma awning was compelling... but I don’t see much a differential advantage in the 2018/2019 units vs the 2020.

Good luck, and think about how you’ll uses your van - then the size needed to get the job done.
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Good luck, and think about how you’ll uses your van - then the size needed to get the job done.
Just curious Scott, if you don't mind me asking, how do you like your new Atlas? Wondering if you took the Atlas to Alaska, and how that went on the notorious roads?

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Re: 2019

Far less desirable?

We specifically avoided the 2020, strategically avoided I should say.

Unlike the auto industry, new chassis (and interior fit up which follows) can take Airstream years to figure out. I didn’t feel like multiple service center visits helping AS with QC and design feedback. We’ve owned multiple interstate units, and there’s nothing on the 2020 which seemed compelling to me. Now the 2014 vs 2014.5 upgrade made sense to me, the 2017 unit with its improvements like getting rid of the Fiamma awning was compelling... but I don’t see much a differential advantage in the 2018/2019 units vs the 2020.

Good luck, and think about how you’ll uses your van - then the size needed to get the job done.
Isn't some of the difference between the 2018 and 2019 chassis the additional safety features, MBUX, Pro Connect, exterior redesign. I'll be the first to admit, the 2019 chassis safety feature drives me nuts sometimes, mostly the adaptive cruise control.
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Just curious Scott, if you don't mind me asking, how do you like your new Atlas? Wondering if you took the Atlas to Alaska, and how that went on the notorious roads?

Thanks,

Peter


Hi Peter,

Might be confusing us with another owner who purchased an Atlas.

Our newest unit it an Interstate Lounge black/black as always before. We found a brand new 2018 unit, built on a Dec 31, 2017 chassis late in 2019. The dealer had it advertised as a 2wd unit across the windshield...unaware it was a 4wd unit with Air Suspension which wasn’t supposed to be a a “dual option” on 2018 models.

Anyway, we’ve fixed the (notorious 2018) squeaks and rattles, and a few other issues...and it’s great!!
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Isn't some of the difference between the 2018 and 2019 chassis the additional safety features, MBUX, Pro Connect, exterior redesign. I'll be the first to admit, the 2019 chassis safety feature drives me nuts sometimes, mostly the adaptive cruise control.


My bad... I was speaking of the model year vs chassis year. The legacy chassis meets our needs just fine. And while I’m usually an early adopter, not feeling it this time. I’ll let active new owners help AS figure out the inevitable issues.
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Might be confusing us with another owner who purchased an Atlas.
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Under your user ID on the left it says "2020 Atlas" . . .

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My bad... I was speaking of the model year vs chassis year. The legacy chassis meets our needs just fine. And while I’m usually an early adopter, not feeling it this time. I’ll let active new owners help AS figure out the inevitable issues.
Normally, I agree with you, I don't like to purchase the newest model changes when it comes to vehicles. When I was shopping for an AI 19, the final sale prices from the dealership and private owners for a 2019 2WD/4WD was more than the 2020 I ordered. At that point, it was a no brainier and I went with the 2020.
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Under your user ID on the left it says "2020 Atlas" . . .


Oh my ... ok I've correct THAT !!!

thanks much!
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RE: Buying a new 2020 when the used 2019's were more money in the marketplace ...


Makes complete sense to me!

I call that a "defensive buy" when "man-splaining" to my wife ... she just "Yawns" and suggests we get a new puppy every time i do a transaction on a piece of transportation equipment ...
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I too am reluctant to purchase a new vehicle in the first model year after a major change. That concerns applies doubly (at or more) to Airstream - who seem to do a far worse job of durability testing and field testing their changes. From what I can tell Airstream is quick to add new bells and whistles (fusion, power shades, master control panel are three that come to mind) but slow to test them.
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I too am reluctant to purchase a new vehicle in the first model year after a major change. That concerns applies doubly (at or more) to Airstream - who seem to do a far worse job of durability testing and field testing their changes. From what I can tell Airstream is quick to add new bells and whistles (fusion, power shades, master control panel are three that come to mind) but slow to test them.

Agreed

Power shades (apparently) have been improved in some ways ... but geez nothing close to a reliable feature in the van.

The 2018's and the new production line led to very squeaky cabinets in the coaches. We struggled fixing ... well our cabinet guy did I guess. So this new 2018 coach was no different, we removed bathroom walls and rear bench and "POOF" no more noise.

FireFly ... While simplifying wiring there are limitations ... when the motherboard fails ... then EVERYTHING fails (just about everything).

Which is paralyzing to say the least. One step forward, maybe another step back a or half-step.
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Agreed

Power shades (apparently) have been improved in some ways ... but geez nothing close to a reliable feature in the van.

The 2018's and the new production line led to very squeaky cabinets in the coaches. We struggled fixing ... well our cabinet guy did I guess. So this new 2018 coach was no different, we removed bathroom walls and rear bench and "POOF" no more noise.

FireFly ... While simplifying wiring there are limitations ... when the motherboard fails ... then EVERYTHING fails (just about everything).

Which is paralyzing to say the least. One step forward, maybe another step back a or half-step.

Cabinets is quality control and that doesn't change with model year, that's a quality control management issue with staff.



I agree for the most part. When I was looking at the 2019 vs 2020 and reading the forums and etc, it appeared to me that old or new, quality control issues, radio, parasites power draw and etc so in the grand scheme of things, is taking a change on a new model any worse than dealing with the already known issues? Why not take a chance on the MBUX vs the previous years messed up radio system?



My wife wants a 2020 MB350 but word is that electrical issues are an issue. This vehicle is a totally new redesign and one should expect issues due to the limited number of unit acceptance testing.



One has to separate the issues from product vendor or airsteam and make a decision on which is really the root cause. Maybe AS should rely on more reliable vendors like motor shades or go back to the old fashion manual shades.
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Cabinets is quality control and that doesn't change with model year, that's a quality control management issue with staff.


You'd think so ...

When the brand new production line opened up building the 2018 units ... there were problems with cabinets especially. Our first 2018 unit required extensive re-work by a local cabinet maker in town. Same exact cabinet issue with this leftover 2018 unit, thankfully the learning curve shortened the repair cycle. My AS service center tried to repair it two times with no luck, so AANW told me to have it fixed locally and send them the invoice ($427) ... the second time around on this 2018 unit the local cabinet shop charged me $122 for the repair.

I'm unsure if AS has a quality department - honestly I somehow thought AS QC was resident in each process with individual craftspeople reviewing their own work. Crazy i know, and it may/may not be accurate information. Local Service Centers backing up the QC after departure from Jackson Center.

I may be spreading dis-information ... so I apologize if this is not fact.

BTW - in a massive salary dump, my favorite Service Manager Lora along with favorite wiz tech/manager of techs Kelli are gone from AANW ... 8-10 years of quality service and knowledge gone in one quick cut.
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My 2018 GT was built before some small engineering changes were made in December, 2017. The coach is in storage, but they moved the power control panel out of the over-cab cabinet in that month and my panel was over the cab until I moved it.

I can not fault the quality of the cabinet design or work

Sometimes it is just the luck of the draw.
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