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Old 09-17-2018, 12:48 PM   #61
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Can you post a link to the residential gooseneck MOEN and detachable shower hose that you used. That part of your project interests me. It is a constant battle to get the pull-out hose to retract, and I can't help but wonder how much water runs down the shower hose and into the space beneath the faucet.
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Can you post a link to the residential gooseneck MOEN and detachable shower hose that you used. That part of your project interests me. It is a constant battle to get the pull-out hose to retract, and I can't help but wonder how much water runs down the shower hose and into the space beneath the faucet.
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TITUS - I will, give me few mins, I have the pic somewhere in my hundreds of unorganized pics I know I bought the MOEN from big box HD or Lowes. But you don't need to use same one if you find a style you like better. The aerator adapter is the key. As long as the faucet has a standard removable aerator, the shower head quick connect adapter will work. The hose is S.S. and super long, enough to stretch the entire length of bathroom with length to spare.

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Thanks Alex,
I now see how it works. I had never see the quick-connect adaptor for the aerator, and thought that it was something unique to the MOEN.
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TITUS - MOEN Model: CA87480
Torrance Chrome One-Handle Low Arc Kitchen Faucet

I settled on this faucet because it is one of few that has enough reach to put spout at dead center of our sink drain hole. It is technically a kitchen faucet, but those are the only ones with long enough reach. Bath faucets will come up very short on reach. It almost seems that faucet was meant to be used on our sink

If you decide to get the MOEN, you need to call MOEN so they can send you the custom plug in order to disable the 3rd line used to connect to optional pullout spray (included in box). You cannot use the faucet without the plug, otherwise water will shoot out that open line. They will charge you $6 or $8 for shipping/handling

If you buy a different model, be sure that the deck plate is removable so you can install in our single hole sink. Easy swap.
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INTERBLOG - Sorry forgot to answer this. I go to Cal a lot, TAP Plastics has been my go to for decades now.
I used to live by the original TAP in San Jose. A truly unique establishment.

A bit of ephemera for you DIY'rs

You my have discovered that it impossible to glue polyurethane. There are no adhesives that bond.

Until now!

https://www.tapplastics.com/product/...d_adhesive/435
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I used to live by the original TAP in San Jose. A truly unique establishment.

A bit of ephemera for you DIY'rs

You my have discovered that it impossible to glue polyurethane. There are no adhesives that bond.

Until now!
VATOM - Yes & Yes. The original San Jose place was where I started to buy stuff from TAP. Then when they opened at downtown Mountain View right next door to our office. Then they opened near our house in Fremont. I spent a fortune at TAP, from cabinet accessories to fishtank enclosures. The place is like a candy store for hobbyists. I have not found a place like TAP that both supplies AND is also a Custom Fabricator. They keep opening stores but I still waiting for a SocCal & LV store.
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Day#7 - Replacing 3-Compartment Dispenser

Day#7 - Replacing 3-Compartment Dispenser

The 3-Compartment dispenser was mounted in a location that was not ideal. After removing it, I thought of re-installing on the wall behind/above the toilet. But re-using it created another issue - our toiletry needs spans 3-4 adults & 2 toddlers. 3 containers is just not going to work.
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I wanted a teak solution but after many days of searching, I could not find anything commercially available. I was close to attempting to fabricate something out of acrylic when I came upon these bamboo wall units from the Container Store. Bamboo is an excellent alternative to teak. It does not require any finish, it is water resistant (not waterproof), resistant to rot and resistant to invasive insects. It is a good material for the wet bath because bamboo is a very hostile material for mold. Regardless, I have no long term data/experience on it's longevity in a wet bath environment.
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If it does not age well as teak (whether aesthetic or structural) it is easy enough to remove. Two S.S. mounting screws and 3M 38583 automotive exterior attachment double-sided rubberized tape secure each container to the wall.
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Each container can hold 4 - 7 oz. plastic bottles. This gives us a total of 12 - 7 oz. bottles for a total of 84 fl. oz. I use 2 bottles, wife & daughters needs a total of 6, grandkids needs a total of 4. If need be, I can expand to 4/5 units for a total of 16/20 - 7 oz. plastic bottles.
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Love those rubber duckies!! We would have one for our kids.. Those were also the fist gift we gave our friends when their children were born!

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Day#7 - Replacing 3-Compartment Dispenser

The 3-Compartment dispenser was mounted in a location that was not ideal. After removing it, I thought of re-installing on the wall behind/above the toilet. But re-using it created another issue - our toiletry needs spans 3-4 adults & 2 toddlers. 3 containers is just not going to work.
Attachment 322894

I wanted a teak solution but after many days of searching, I could not find anything commercially available. I was close to attempting to fabricate something out of acrylic when I came upon these bamboo wall units from the Container Store. Bamboo is an excellent alternative to teak. It does not require any finish, it is water resistant (not waterproof), resistant to rot and resistant to invasive insects. It is a good material for the wet bath because bamboo is a very hostile material for mold. Regardless, I have no long term data/experience on it's longevity in a wet bath environment.
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If it does not age well as teak (whether aesthetic or structural) it is easy enough to remove. Two S.S. mounting screws and 3M 38583 automotive exterior attachment double-sided rubberized tape secure each container to the wall.
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Each container can hold 4 - 7 oz. plastic bottles. This gives us a total of 12 - 7 oz. bottles for a total of 84 fl. oz. I use 2 bottles, wife & daughters needs a total of 6, grandkids needs a total of 4. If need be, I can expand to 4/5 units for a total of 16/20 - 7 oz. plastic bottles.
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Thatís a lot of holes to put in your walls, then the weight of all those liquids in something that moves and shifts.

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Love those rubber duckies!! We would have one for our kids.. Those were also the fist gift we gave our friends when their children were born!
WACHUKO - Rubber duckies were an essential requirement for this remodel, mainly for our 1-1/2 yr. old granddaughter, athough our 3 yr. old grandson still plays with them. But he has his own requirement that I still have to install. He is into stars and astronomy, so I have something on order for ceiling & walls. It is tough to incorporate my needs along with needs of 3 women & 2 kids in such a teeny-weeny bathroom.

PS - the WACHUKO List Dometic 320 toilet finally in stock and ready to ship. I did not want the sprayer when I already have a extra long one. They only had the sprayer and beige in stock. So had to wait a couple weeks for white.
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Thatís a lot of holes to put in your walls, then the weight of all those liquids in something that moves and shifts.

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MAGGIE - I can not believe this. Really? You do not think that securing 3 small lightweight bamboo containers into fiberglass is within my engineering skills? I am saddened by your lack of confidence. I truly appreciate your concern for my well being. So here's my explanation that hopefully alleviates your concern.

It was not lost on my initial analysis of the Tensile Pullout values and the Sheer Pullout values of the screws and anchoring system I used. So, to ease your concern, I want to assure you that some very basic engineering analysis was done on my part whether the amount of weight is well within the limits of the anchoring system used and material it was attached to.

● Anchoring system - TOGGLER Hollow Wall anchors- these are one of the strongest plastic anchors out there. They actually lead/disperse the load away from the screw holes.
● Anchor type - TA
● Grip range - 1/8" - 1/4" thickness
● Medium holding for following materials - drywall, gypsum, plasterboard, greenboard, hollow core door, thin paneling, sheet metal, acoustic ceilings, Masonite panels, tile over drywall, tile over greenboard, and FIBERGLASS
● Tensile Pullout = >100lbs.
● Sheer Pullout = >200 lbs.


● The load total for the 3 containers including the bottles full of liquid soap and the weight of 3 bamboo container itself totals = 3,600.1 grams = (@ 453.6 grams/lb.) = 7.9 lbs. TOTAL
Breakdown below:
2,239.3 grams = 12x plastic bottles full of 7 oz. soap
1,360.8 grams = 3x bamboo containers

● I am using 2x TOGGLER TA anchors per bamboo container.
● I am also using 3M 38583 automotive exterior attachment double-sided rubberized tape securing each container to the wall, covering a 10" sq. in. flat area behind each bamboo container.

Let's both do the math - 6X TOGGLER TA anchors with Tensile & Sheer Pullout values from 100-200 lbs., complimented by 3M automotive exterior attachment tape over 30 sq. in. area.

Anyone think this is not enough to support a grand total of less than 8 lbs. ? If anything, I have ridiculously over-engineered the mounting for these containers. Suction cups or command tape, more unreliable than my mounts, would probably have worked, if not for my concern that my 40 lbs. grandson would pull-up from it. These can sustain my 140 lbs. weight, well the skinny bamboo might break, but the screws will not pull out from my weight.

Regarding all the weight that moves and shifts - that's 746.4 grams or 1.6 lbs. per bamboo container of liquid or 1/4 gallon of water. 1 gallon of water is 8.34 lbs. How many gallons of water do you carry between fresh & grey & black tanks? Or the water loosely placed in cooler & fridge and water bottles in cup holders? Yeah, me too!

Regarding the number of holes I have put on my walls -
6 holes to install 3 bamboo containers
2 holes to install LEIFHEIT drying rack

3 holes that I had to fill when I removed the old clothesline,
3 holes that I had to fill when I removed the old round mirror
2 holes that I had to fill when I removed the old shower head holder
4 holes that I had to fill when I removed the old 3-Compartment dispenser

By my calculation, I reduced the number of holes by 4 holes. I returned 4 holes back to AS. You ought be happy.

MAGGIE - Sorry to be dumping all this info on you, but you seemed to be wanting an engineering debate over some trivial containers in my bathroom remodeling. Frankly, I just want to enjoy it coz it looks different and my wife & daughters really appreciate I did this just for them. They are the only ones, other than myself, that I need to satisfy.

PS - TOGGLER Hollow Anchor specs & bulletin attached below for your reading pleasure.
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TOGGLER TA Hollow Wall Anchors manufacturer's spec sheet bulletin
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Only because we are engaging in jocularity...

the term is actually SHEAR pull-out.

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So sorry, Alex, I should have known an engineer would analyze all of this thoroughly and proceed with due care accordingly.

I wasn’t actually trying to prompt an engineers debate, simply commenting on putting holes in your bathroom walls, but you as an engineer responded with one.

Absolutely, the only person you need to satisfy is yourself and your family, so what works for y’all is all that matters.

It does look very nice.

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the term is actually SHEAR pull-out.

INTERBLOG - Yep, you absolutely correct. I caught that late after my edit window was over. Which is why I posted the official bulletin that spelled it right. Hate spellcheck. Funny thing is I have to "correct" spellcheck at least a few dozen times a day. I dont know why I just dont disable it.
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Day#8 - Final Reveal to my wife & daughters

Day#8 - Final Reveal to my wife & daughters

All engineering work completed. Everything is back together. The only pending replacement is the Dometic 320 porcelain toilet. That is finally shipping and arriving next week. That mod comes from "The WACHUKO List". The engineering of that, I credit to WACHUKO for making all the detailed work to measure/fit the new toilet. I will just be a copycat'ing his work, hence I see no need to wait for that install to take these pics. He has that we'll documented in his thread.

Changing hats from engineer to interior designer to get this last part before the reveal to my wife, daughters, and grandkids. This interior design work is not easy. I used to think it was a piece of cake. It required lots of shopping local sources, because a lot of times, trying to get things on-line without seeing & feeling the materials in-person does not work out. Luckily, because of the casino industry, LV has good local sources for decorating. And lucky I only needed a handful of items.

As daughter said, " It looks like a bath from Bathstyles of the Grinch & Infamous"
Those final words is her humurous tribute to one of our beloved local celebrity Mr. Robin Leach who passed away on August 24, 2018, a day before my father in law's death anniversary. RIP Mr. Leach & dad!
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MAGGIE - I can not believe this. Really? You do not think that securing 3 small lightweight bamboo containers into fiberglass is within my engineering skills? I am saddened by your lack of confidence. I truly appreciate your concern for my well being. So here's my explanation that hopefully alleviates your concern.

It was not lost on my initial analysis of the Tensile Pullout values and the Sheer Pullout values of the screws and anchoring system I used. So, to ease your concern, I want to assure you that some very basic engineering analysis was done on my part whether the amount of weight is well within the limits of the anchoring system used and material it was attached to.

● Anchoring system - TOGGLER Hollow Wall anchors- these are one of the strongest plastic anchors out there. They actually lead/disperse the load away from the screw holes.
● Anchor type - TA
● Grip range - 1/8" - 1/4" thickness
● Medium holding for following materials - drywall, gypsum, plasterboard, greenboard, hollow core door, thin paneling, sheet metal, acoustic ceilings, Masonite panels, tile over drywall, tile over greenboard, and FIBERGLASS
● Tensile Pullout = >100lbs.
● Sheer Pullout = >200 lbs.


● The load total for the 3 containers including the bottles full of liquid soap and the weight of 3 bamboo container itself totals = 3,600.1 grams = (@ 453.6 grams/lb.) = 7.9 lbs. TOTAL
Breakdown below:
2,239.3 grams = 12x plastic bottles full of 7 oz. soap
1,360.8 grams = 3x bamboo containers

● I am using 2x TOGGLER TA anchors per bamboo container.
● I am also using 3M 38583 automotive exterior attachment double-sided rubberized tape securing each container to the wall, covering a 10" sq. in. flat area behind each bamboo container.

Let's both do the math - 6X TOGGLER TA anchors with Tensile & Sheer Pullout values from 100-200 lbs., complimented by 3M automotive exterior attachment tape over 30 sq. in. area.

Anyone think this is not enough to support a grand total of less than 8 lbs. ? If anything, I have ridiculously over-engineered the mounting for these containers. Suction cups or command tape, more unreliable than my mounts, would probably have worked, if not for my concern that my 40 lbs. grandson would pull-up from it. These can sustain my 140 lbs. weight, well the skinny bamboo might break, but the screws will not pull out from my weight.

Regarding all the weight that moves and shifts - that's 746.4 grams or 1.6 lbs. per bamboo container of liquid or 1/4 gallon of water. 1 gallon of water is 8.34 lbs. How many gallons of water do you carry between fresh & grey & black tanks? Or the water loosely placed in cooler & fridge and water bottles in cup holders? Yeah, me too!

Regarding the number of holes I have put on my walls -
6 holes to install 3 bamboo containers
2 holes to install LEIFHEIT drying rack

3 holes that I had to fill when I removed the old clothesline,
3 holes that I had to fill when I removed the old round mirror
2 holes that I had to fill when I removed the old shower head holder
4 holes that I had to fill when I removed the old 3-Compartment dispenser

By my calculation, I reduced the number of holes by 4 holes. I returned 4 holes back to AS. You ought be happy.

MAGGIE - Sorry to be dumping all this info on you, but you seemed to be wanting an engineering debate over some trivial containers in my bathroom remodeling. Frankly, I just want to enjoy it coz it looks different and my wife & daughters really appreciate I did this just for them. They are the only ones, other than myself, that I need to satisfy.

PS - TOGGLER Hollow Anchor specs & bulletin attached below for your reading pleasure.
Just wait.
Kids will be a swinging from the wall hangers, maybe even tying each other off on them as well. One can never be prepared for what other's children can do. Your kids never did anything like that....
Enjoyed your build, in another year things change, please keep us updated on your bathroom.
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I'm very impressed and very jealous. I actually never planned to use my shower in its current state. But with the faucet and shower head changes, I can now see how you could take a real shower. I'm pretty handy, but in general hate doing plumbing. But your detail makes it look doable without much help. It's now on my list of projects. Thanks so much for sharing and providing such detail. I think I will leave the shower curtain, tho.
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