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Old 09-02-2013, 05:13 PM   #1
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2nd Row Seat Removal

Q: has anyone removed either of the 2nd Row seats and have some advice?

I see that there are four bolts holding them to the floor; looks pretty simple - but those seem to be the most dangerous projects.
- Is the floor threaded?
- If I backout the bolts; will the nuts fall off the bottom and never be found again?
- Do the bolts go all the way through the floor and get hidden by the tanks and other 'bottom modifications'?

Background:

I'm thinking about taking the seat behind the driver out for extended (7-14 day) trips. I travel with my wife and a 100# Labrador Retriever.

The Lab rides between the driver and passenger on the floor (really tries to crawl up under the gas pedal - we've finally broke him of that; but he gets as low and forward as possible while coach is in motion.

At home he likes to layout flat - with all fours pointed out (takes up about 4' x 2' space on floor).

There is no where (other than when the bed is out) that he can stretch out like this in the AS.

Happy Dog = Happy Wife; so I'm exploring options.
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Old 09-03-2013, 11:13 AM   #2
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I took out both seats. I left the base for the seats in as the screws gong through with a nut underneath. Worked ok and gave me space for extra storage.
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I took out both seats. I left the base for the seats in as the screws gong through with a nut underneath. Worked ok and gave me space for extra storage.
If they did it correctly, the nuts under the floor are captive.
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If they did it correctly, the nuts under the floor are captive.
That's my fear - that they didn't . . . .

Leaving the base in doesn't solve my problem for more "dog on the floor" room. I don't want to be the guy that tries this to see - I'll wait a little longer.
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That's my fear - that they didn't . . . .

Leaving the base in doesn't solve my problem for more "dog on the floor" room. I don't want to be the guy that tries this to see - I'll wait a little longer.
If you feel like crawling underneath the rig, you would probably find at least one of the nuts is visible. In a perfect world, you could then assume that all 2nd row seat base nuts were done the same way and proceed accordingly. In the Airstream world, that would probably not be a safe assumption. It's disturbing how flakey they can be with some things!
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That's my fear - that they didn't . . . .

Leaving the base in doesn't solve my problem for more "dog on the floor" room.
Actualy, it might. Leave the base in, and attach a (padded) shelf bridging from the rear seat base to the back of the front seat base. Dog sleeps on the shelf, and you gain a cubbyhole underneath for storage.
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No there are not captive. The first screw I turned did not get loose bit turned so there is just a MIT on the bottom. The same on the rear safety belt screws. I was little disappointed in this obvious lack of consideration.
I did not check underneath but with my luck and Mr, Murphy it is under a tank or so.
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I went under the van today to take a look because I've been considering replacing the second row with recliners out of a new Toyota Sienna. The LH side is completely hidden by the fuel tank and the RH side has only two of the nuts, (with fender washers), clearly visible. Will have to consider alternatives besides dropping the tank but that maybe the only way.
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Can't believe they didn't use captive nuts. Oh wait, this is Airstream, never mind.
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Yea; pretty messed up. Guess we're not supposed to be taking our new motorhomes apart!

I told my wife I was looking at taking a seat out and she wondered why it didn't pop out like our old Dodge Caravan did. (LOL)

Oh well - the King Size bed (almost) in the back is going to have to do for my lab - I'm sure he'll get used to it.

Thanks for everyone's input. I know I'm not pulling a tank to make my dog more room. . .
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Actualy, it might. Leave the base in, and attach a (padded) shelf bridging from the rear seat base to the back of the front seat base. Dog sleeps on the shelf, and you gain a cubbyhole underneath for storage.
hmmm, interesting idea - I may look at that - Thanks for the Input! That would allow me to store the 40 cans of 'grain free' dog food I need for the trip under his 'shelf bed' and double my flooring space!

That's why I covered my 'goal' - dog more room.

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I went under the van today to take a look because I've been considering replacing the second row with recliners out of a new Toyota Sienna. The LH side is completely hidden by the fuel tank and the RH side has only two of the nuts, (with fender washers), clearly visible. Will have to consider alternatives besides dropping the tank but that maybe the only way.
You do realize that the right-hand second-row seat mounts on top of the black tank enclosure, right? Probably shouldn't be unbolting THAT seat base!
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The seats are probably a Sprinter item with the install dictated by MB. Easier access on a base sprinter, more dif after a motorhomes conversion. Still, captured fasteners would be nice. Jim
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You do realize that the right-hand second-row seat mounts on top of the black tank enclosure, right? Probably shouldn't be unbolting THAT seat base!
Actually the black tank is aft of the RH seat bolts because two are clearly visible, but the two that are not appear to be under one of the floor ribs. I need to take a closer look to verify but it could be that dropping the tank on the LH side may be the easy part...
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Actually the black tank is aft of the RH seat bolts because two are clearly visible
Sure doesn't look that way on mine, but I'll take your word for it.
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Actually the black tank is aft of the RH seat bolts because two are clearly visible, but the two that are not appear to be under one of the floor ribs. I need to take a closer look to verify but it could be that dropping the tank on the LH side may be the easy part...
I thought the black water tank was entirely above the floor of the RV. That was why it didn't have a heater.
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One further thought, you could probably get the bolts out by keeping upward pressure while removing it and installing a threaded insert, (rivnut), letting the nut/washer drop.
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Hi Ben,

Interesting! In my twin version the 2nd row seat (there is only one) is perched right on top of the box that encloses the black tank. I'm sure you would have to removed the black tank to get at the underside fasteners.

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The black tank in my standard length lounge is under the toilet above the floor and in fact they built a little box to enclose it behind the RH seat. The one issue with that is any pedestal that's lower than the existing one will no longer swivel. There is going to be some design and welding necessary to fit aftermarket recliners because they require a lower pedestal height to accommodate the footrest.
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The black tank in my standard length lounge is under the toilet above the floor and in fact they built a little box to enclose it behind the RH seat.
Now that you describe it that way, I think mine might be the same. Going on the basis of memory I thought the seat swivel was directly on top of the black tank cover, but my memory has been wrong before, and the black tank enclosure might not extend all the way under the seat as I believed.

And as they say, when the memory goes, you can just forget it!
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