Dog control while camping

[ROBERT CROSS]

Originally Posted by brad1

Re the soft crates recommended : Our latest rescue, a 9 month, un-neutered male terrier, made short work of it by getting hold of a seam and ripping it open which released a cross bar, which made it possible to, oh, you get the picture. We got ours from Chewy too, which is funny given the way our new dog chewed his way out.. (He's 11 months now, still rambunctious, but taking well to training).

Originally Posted by rmkrum

I had some supposedly “chew proof” heavy duty dog toys. One of our smallest made short work of it, stuffing everywhere in under 15 minutes. He was after the squeaky noise gadget, and nothing was going to stop him.

Wire crates only around here🤪

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Secure wire only...we had a fender bender, the crate was unsecured. Dog would not go in the TV on his own for the rest of his life.

Bob
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[rmkrum]

I attach two strong straps from the crate to the LATCH system loops in the back seat. Crate is going nowhere.

[kscherzi]

Originally Posted by GTOChucky

Everyone's responses to the camping with dogs issue is VERY telling. NO ONE said to TRAIN THEIR dog! I need no lease for my dog. I have a lease, but I don't need it. My dog is ABSOLUTELY obedient! He's so because I TRAINED him to be so!

Glad to hear that. Cause if you're trained dog attacks mine while off leash expect a call from my lawyer. It won't be cheap, and guaranteed to make your life unhappy. My attitude on this isn't alone. Be smart. Keep your dogs leashed with a large strong secure rope or cable.

[rowiebowie]

Originally Posted by kscherzi

Glad to hear that. Cause if you're trained dog attacks mine while off leash expect a call from my lawyer. It won't be cheap, and guaranteed to make your life unhappy. My attitude on this isn't alone. Be smart. Keep your dogs leashed with a large strong secure rope or cable.

Excellent kscherzi!

And if I might add, even those who leash their dogs need to be able to restrain them. To those I say if your dog is bigger and stronger than you, you better have a good grip on the leash, learn to get low so you're not pulled off your feet, and at least be able to slow them down if they charge at someone or their dog. I don't care if you have scrapes and bruises from being dragged, that will be small in comparison to what will happen to your dog if he makes it to me or mine.

[rideair]

A different look at things, and I know a flaming is possible.

As a past dog owner (dog passed due to cancer at age 13), we stopped traveling with our dog when she was about 3 years old many years ago. We found it's not fair to the dog and even more so, "other campers". We left the dog at home with a friend pet and house sitting.

As a "pet-less" camper, nothing is more disturbing than trying to enjoy your camping trip being camped within earshot of someone with dogs or when people take their dogs for a walk and having the dog stop and take a leak near your camper. I've got you have "The Bag", but dog owners don't carry a sponge and the stuff that kills the smell of urine. Between hearing dogs go off barking at each other every time their owner takes them for a walk, or going for a walk yourself and the "Yap" dogs barking at you trying to take a peaceful walk, then smelling a place where dogs are hiking their leg all the time, it gets old. Then you have the campers that leave their dogs in the camper while they go out for the day and having to hear these dogs bark non-stop.

Please understand, I love dogs, I've owned dogs, I've traveled with a dogs both big and small. But not anymore. I have more respect for my fellow "non-dog" owners to due so.

The best way to control your dog while camping, is to leave them at home and if you can't or won't do that, don't have a dog. It's not fair to the rest of the folks in the campground paying the same high prices for camping as you do, to have their weekend trashed by a dog fight, yapping dogs or the smell of pee all weekend. Though your dog barking maybe music to your ears and you think it's cute, others don't.

It's to the point at the Red Coconut in Florida the campers have to put out signs saying "Not your dogs bathroom" and even call the wall going down to the beach "The Wall of Piss".

The Flame Suit is now on.



Sorry,

[bwpaint]

Originally Posted by az-streamer

All dogs are obedient-until they’re not.

No dog bites - until it does.

Any dog, or cat, etc. can go from 100% trained to a biter in an instant. Training or not!

And remember - in a dog bites dog, or dog bites person case, the off- leash dog loses.

See ‘judge Judy’ for any questions.

I absolutely do not trust any stranger’s unleashed dog. That’s why I carry my three foot oak persuader - among other deterrents.

If an unleashed dog is close enough for me to touch it - it’s too close!

Leash laws are there for a reason. Which Is why it’s a Law - not a Leash Option.

Well said. The most dangerous dog I ever had was also the the best trained. Could put him in a down-stay from 50 yards away and he wouldn't move until released. 10 -15 -30 minutes, didn't matter he would not move. Unless he did. If he ever felt I was threatened he would release himself, and come to the perceived danger, whether real or imagined. Because of this he could never be off lead. Trainer worked with us for 3 weeks, and told me his protective nature could not be trained out of him. Similar to a bear protecting her cubs. Had him for 14 years.

[paiceman]

Originally Posted by Lily&Me

Lily was attacked by a pit mix last September, and it was the most terrifying thing I have ever experienced.

Since then, I’ve been told if you grab the hind legs of the attacking dog, and lift them off the ground, the dog will release it’s jaws.

It then would attack you, of course.

Maggie

OR as what happened to me at our rescue when I picked up the rear of a 90 Pit attacking a young hound and a volunteer, one could break their back. And the PIT did not release, we had to use a handle on a hammer and pri the dogs mouth open and she did not try to attack anyone, just sat, which is typical.

[jlandreth]

Originally Posted by bwpaint

Well said. The most dangerous dog I ever had was also the the best trained. Could put him in a down-stay from 50 yards away and he wouldn't move until released. 10 -15 -30 minutes, didn't matter he would not move. Unless he did. If he ever felt I was threatened he would release himself, and come to the perceived danger, whether real or imagined. Because of this he could never be off lead. Trainer worked with us for 3 weeks, and told me his protective nature could not be trained out of him. Similar to a bear protecting her cubs. Had him for 14 years.

I understand completely. We have a 9 year old yellow lab that's one of the best duck dogs I've ever had. Well socialized, will hunt with anybody or any dog. He lives in the house with us and loves my wife and that's the problem. He is always on guard when strange people are around her and heaven help anyone if they get between the two of them. So, as much as we love him and enjoy his company when we go camping he either stays with one of our kids or gets boarded.

[brokeboater]

I had a dog that fwer was prone to being attacked without any provocation or warning. I dove into more than a few dog fights to save him. Invariable the first thing out of the (usually unleashed) dog owner's mouth was "he's never done that before." I understand our gun rights and don't get involved in pushing my gun opinions on others but the fact is I really don't like them. In spite of that I got to the point I wouldn't walk my dog without my gun, and mace, and a knife and usually a good stout stick. I took my safety classes and was licensed to carry and practiced a the range and all, but still don't like them. But they are a useful tool to protect me and my loved ones. I learned when walking my dog if I was approaching someone else with a dog, leashed or otherwise, to give them wide berth. Even so the occasional idiot would allow their dog to approach mine by giving them enough leash or even walking over to me. I would then pick my dog up to keep him out of harms way and on more than one occasion had to resort to kicking a dog away with mine in my arms. I place most of the dog problems on irresponsible dog owners but just like people some dogs are just mean and no good.

[Lily&Me]

Originally Posted by paiceman

OR as what happened to me at our rescue when I picked up the rear of a 90 Pit attacking a young hound and a volunteer, one could break their back. And the PIT did not release, we had to use a handle on a hammer and pri the dogs mouth open and she did not try to attack anyone, just sat, which is typical.

Wow, Bud.

How many of us have a long stick or similar item at the ready, and are willing to get close enough to those clamped jaws to try to get something between them.

This particular dog, and you’re familiar with the situation, was 60 lbs of out of control muscle.

I hope I never experience this again, and have to decide what to do.

I would never want to hurt another dog, nor could I watch mine be torn apart and fail to intervene.

Maggie

[Foiled Again]

Originally Posted by Lily&Me

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I would never want to hurt another dog, nor could I watch mine be torn apart and fail to intervene.

Maggie

Amen. I went to the flea market yesterday and bought a cane with a brass duck head as the handle.

Running from an attacking dog is a losing proposition for almost anyone, so if I have to, l will fight. And I will do my best to totally disable or kill the attacker. A dog with minor injuries just goes deeper into attack mode.

In wolf packs the alphas - dog and bitch - assert their dominance, but rarely need to fight except against outsider dogs looking to take over. Usually only the alpha female has pups... and if one of the pups shows signs of being super aggressive, the alpha male kills it. The lowest ranking dog, normally female is a target for a lot of put-downs and gets the least food, but if she dies the whole pack gets more aggressive until a new omega is chosen. The

[ROBERT CROSS]

So, beat the hell is the preferred method?....NOT here.

Bear spray, both dogs if needed. Even works well on the offending two leg'r.

In my experience, 'free range' children are much more of a concern at most campgrounds.

Bob
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[featherbedder]

Originally Posted by Krikati

Hi and welcome to AS,

We are about to try out our first trip in our Airstream Atlas with our two standard poodles, respectively 50 and 40 pounds. Both are very active and excitable especially when they see other dogs. They have also wandered off as far as two miles from home. At home, we put in a buried electronic fence surrounding about 4 acres installed by Dog Watch. The dogs wear collars that warn them with an audible signal if they approach the boundaries. If they get too close, they get a mild shock. The fence works well and our poodles have never gone beyond the limits. We had to train the dogs to respect the boundaries which are also marked with little flags.

Now, we are starting camping, so we bought another device made by the same company called Grounds Keeper. You need to create a perimeter by creating a loop from the transmitter around your camper. So we bought 300 feet of 18 gauge wire and we're going to try it out next weekend. We bought a supply of little blue flags (a color dogs can apparently see well) to use to train the pups. Hopefully, it will work as well as the Dog Watch system. It uses the same collars as the invisible fence so we expect it will work the same.

We'll report on how well it worked after this weekend.

Cheers and happy camping.

Krikati

P.S. The system we have will not prevent other dogs or other critters not outfitted with collars from entering the perimeter. We plan to keep the pups inside the Atlas when we are not outside supervising them; at least at first.

This type of hot wire will not keep them in if they are on a dead run after something, the only thing it will do is keep them from getting back in side loop. It cost us over #3000 vet bill when happened. We had wire for over 10 yrs before happened. Be aware of this prob.

[GeeSag]

I wonder if there is an inverse correlation between those at campgrounds thinking their dogs are above the lease law because they are under Voice Control and Umbrella Policies.

[Wayne&Sam]

Originally Posted by GTOChucky

Everyone's responses to the camping with dogs issue is VERY telling. NO ONE said to TRAIN THEIR dog! I need no lease for my dog. I have a lease, but I don't need it. My dog is ABSOLUTELY obedient! He's so because I TRAINED him to be so!

Actually, I pointed out that my dogs are very well trained. But I still use a leash where leashes are required or just a good idea.

Leasing a dog rarely a good idea.

[az-streamer]

Originally Posted by Krikati

Now, we are starting camping, so we bought another device made by the same company called Grounds Keeper. You need to create a perimeter by creating a loop from the transmitter around your camper. So we bought 300 feet of 18 gauge wire and we're going to try it out next weekend. We bought a supply of little blue flags (a color dogs can apparently see well) to use to train the pups. Hopefully, it will work as well as the Dog Watch system. It uses the same collars as the invisible fence so we expect it will work the same.

We'll report on how well it worked after this weekend.

Cheers and happy camping.

Krikati

P.S. The system we have will not prevent other dogs or other critters not outfitted with collars from entering the perimeter. We plan to keep the pups inside the Atlas when we are not outside supervising them; at least at first.

Only effective with a constant guaranteed power supply to both the collars and wire. A dead battery or no power and there is no perimeter.

We had one years ago and I was constantly checking before letting our dog out. And one time it did run through the perimeter even though the collar was working.

I would certainly never let my dog outside unsupervised with an electric fence due to issues you noted above.

[mayco]

After we were attacked four days ago I’ve had plenty of time to think about what happened and how. The only conclusion I can come up with is that if you are not big enough or strong enough to keep your dog under control then you should think twice about exposing the animal to situations like campgrounds. I don’t think it really matters how well you think your dog is trained, though training is obviously extremely important. But if a 90-100# dog decides to attack for ANY reason and the owner can’t physically restrain the dog, then it’s the owners fault and responsibility. Dogs will be dogs. “I’m so sorry” doesn’t cut the mustard. Like I said earlier, we hear or read about these situations but tell ourselves that it will never happen to me. Nobody “thinks” their dog will attack yet some just do, for whatever reason and with whatever training they’ve had. In our case, the dog drug it’s owner on his back to get to us ten to twelve feet away on a sandy gravel path. So it’s just something for all owners to think about.....if you can’t physically restrain your dog from attacking others then it’s your fault for putting the dog in that situation........now I’m gonna put more ice on my wrist to continue to fight the swelling

[Hoagie]

Originally Posted by Lily&Me

Looks like this would be effective, but may not be legal in all states.

Maggie

This website, although it may not be a definitive guide, has some great info on stun guns and where they are/are not legal.

In short, the are illegal in Hawaii, Rhode Island and the U.S. Virgin Islands. For most of us, we will probably only be Airstreaming to one of these.

Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and Wisconsin require you to obtain a permit if you are carrying a stun gun. For example, in Wisconsin, if you have a CCW permit you can carry a stun gun. There are other exceptions as well. In North Carolina you cannot carry a stun gun concealed outside your own premises.

The website linked above has links to each State/Territories specific statutes regarding the carrying and use of stun guns.

HTH

[Lily&Me]

On the linked website for the Vipertek originally mentioned, the company won’t ship to a long list of states...including Illinois...because of laws.

Not a viable option for most of us.

Maggie

[GTOChucky]

Excuses, excuses, I get it! For the naysayers, MY dog IS 100% obedient! He's still alive, so I guess MAYBE some day in the future he MAY drop out of the 100% category, but it hasn't happened yet! He's 8 years old now. To be honest, I don't expect it to happen either! He's been tested, many times, and he's 100% every time! In fact, testing and bating him during my training sessions ensured he's 100% when it counts the most! He's absolute for 5 commands. Heel, sit, lie down, stay, and of course come here! AND, I only have to tell him ONCE, for him to respond to my commands, ONCE! I can walk him at heel, and make ANY movement and Ace will be as though he's glued to my left side, with NO LEASH! I've demonstrated, Ace's absolute obedience in front of a cop who stopped me once for NOT having Ace on a leash! I put Ace on heel, then walked slowly, then quickly, then in a zig zag fashion, then I broke into a run. Ace was RIGHT THERE! All with no leash! AND he sits AUTOMATICALLY when I stop! I told the cop to call him, after I told Ace to STAY and walked over to the cop. Ace didn't budge, until I called him! Needless to say, after my demonstration, the cop did NOT give me a ticket!