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Old 08-16-2018, 09:53 AM   #41
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I guess the only way to tell would be to do a stopping test from speed for the rig and then again with just the TV. Not about to do that. But my experience with hard stops over the last 10 years with this rig indicates that my trailer does not nearly “stop itself” when set the way I run it. I do have it set to “ lead” a little so on a slow, easy stop the trailer does do a larger share than the truck. But in a hard stop from speed the trailer “pushes” a lot.
WD setting probably off. TT brake amperage also suspect.

You’ve some work to do.

If all is correct, the rig will stop as fast or faster than the TV solo (use 50-mph testing).

It’s a GIGO problem. Most drums aren’t in operational spec. The working assumptions about trailer drums aren’t accurate as a result.

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Old 08-16-2018, 10:11 AM   #42
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Each to their level of Competency...

Each to their level of competency of driving and towing ability.

The best tow vehicle, the best trailer braking system, the best hitch will not protect anyone from someone who never could drive a straight line, judge safe braking distances from a vehicles in front, or understand passing a slower vehicle with approaching traffic takes excellent judgment.

Drive the highways long enough, many of the 'BEST' drivers in their mind, are those to avoid all of the time. They have no clue and never will. You be the judge of what speed and control over your time on the road. Be vigilant of those around you at all times.

A bad driver can roll his tow vehicle and trailer on a straight highway, without having you near them.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:21 AM   #43
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If all is correct, the rig will stop as fast or faster than the TV solo (use 50-mph testing)

This is what I was initially asking and probably how I should have worded my question, or a variation on it such as: "If all is correct, will a TT/TV rig stop slower or as fast (or faster) than the TV solo."

The warnings and recommendations about driving defensively and such are excellent and should be followed, but from some people's responses, knowing that a TT/TV rig should be able to stop just as well as a TV solo seems to be something a lot of people have not considered possible or attainable.

Good info to have, now I can get out and do some testing and see where I stand.
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"If all is correct, will a TT/TV rig stop slower or as fast (or faster) than the TV solo."

My 2001 Safari 25 (6300#) with 4-12x2 drum brakes - as fast or faster. Brake Controller gain set just below lockup.


My 2002 Classic 30 Slideout (9100#) with 4-12x2 drum brakes - Way slower, borders on scary. Brake controller gain set to max. Unable to lock wheels. With this rig I had to maintain a gap to the vehicle in front so large that someone was always filling it.


My 2002 Classic 30 Slideout with 4-12" Kodiak Discs and Hydrastar Actuator - as fast or faster. Brake controller gain set just below lockup. I just did 6 weeks and 8000 miles out west with grades up to 10% and had no problems.

Note: "as fast or faster" is my opinion only, not based on objective tests. I did a test (referenced in an earlier post) that showed the discs approximately doubled the braking power of the Classic.



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“...knowing that a TT/TV rig should be able to stop just as well as a TV solo seems to be something a lot of people have not considered possible or attainable.”

Still have some doubts about whether that is attainable on an across all conditions basis. Maybe once on a straight line on dry pavement with the gain set up for the test. I do not keep my drum trailer brakes set so they will lock on dry pavement. Do you? My controller is advertised as proportional but it is not as proportional as the TV brakes. My TV brakes are antilock. My trailer brakes are not.

Slowmover is correct in my case. I am willfully ignorant because I feel okay about towing with my “poorly setup” 3/4 ton 4 wheel drive. But my new Subaru Forrester will stop in a whole lot less distance and is more manevurable.
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This is what I was initially asking and probably how I should have worded my question, or a variation on it such as: "If all is correct, will a TT/TV rig stop slower or as fast (or faster) than the TV solo."



Good info to have, now I can get out and do some testing and see where I stand.
It is worth thinking about not only the stopping power, but how that changes over time (one time application, vs several applications, vs continuous applications).

I fully agree that a trailer combination should be able to stop as quickly as the TV solo, in general, but that doesn't mean it can do it on a continuous basis.

One stop, absolutely. Several stops, sure. Continuously, not necessarily.

Brakes, especially drum brakes, are not designed for continuous application. They absorb heat, but can not disperse it as fast as they can absorb it. Hence, brakes fade with continuous use. All brakes can fade, disks won't generally do it as soon as drums, but it is worth thinking about the time element IMO. Considering brake power alone is an incomplete analysis.
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Trying to get a trailer combo to stop fast is pointless. You need to allow following distance. If people “keep filling it” you need to keep adjusting. People will cut into a 1-1/2 car gap so there’s no point in trying to keep them from doing it.

I tested mine today, on a deserted stretch of blacktop. I locked all 8 wheels and stopped in a straight line. Perfect.
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Trying to get a trailer combo to stop fast is pointless. You need to allow following distance. If people “keep filling it” you need to keep adjusting. People will cut into a 1-1/2 car gap so there’s no point in trying to keep them from doing it.

I tested mine today, on a deserted stretch of blacktop. I locked all 8 wheels and stopped in a straight line. Perfect.


Have to disagree here.
How is trying to get a trailer to stop fast pointless? There is no situation where a longer stopping distance is desirable.

You will have a longer stopping distance with the wheels locked up than with out. Your shortest stopping distance will be when the brakes are applied to just before the wheels lock up. This is how ABS works, it keeps the wheels from locking up and maximizes braking performance while also allowing you to maintain steering control. Road racers without abs practice threshold braking extensively.
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