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02-06-2023, 09:28 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2019 28' Flying Cloud
Broward
, Florida
Join Date: Feb 2023
Posts: 379
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ndcctrucks
Try towing on the ball only.
-Ken
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I agree. These single axle trailers don't do well with weight distribution hitches. I'm pretty sure the porpoising situation will improve by eliminating the hitch. The Jeep should be able to handle this small trailer without it.
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02-06-2023, 09:42 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy543
I agree. These single axle trailers don't do well with weight distribution hitches. I'm pretty sure the porpoising situation will improve by eliminating the hitch. The Jeep should be able to handle this small trailer without it.
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Yep...I used a Reese Straight Line WD for 18 seasons on our '63 Safari and it porpoise'd all over the USA...
NOT
Bob
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02-06-2023, 12:02 PM
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Rivet Master
2002 19' Bambi
Lafayette
, California
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,570
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy543
I agree. These single axle trailers don't do well with weight distribution hitches. I'm pretty sure the porpoising situation will improve by eliminating the hitch. The Jeep should be able to handle this small trailer without it.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
Yep...I used a Reese Straight Line WD for 18 seasons on our '63 Safari and it porpoise'd all over the USA...
NOT
Bob
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Yep, our poor trailer has suffered for over 20 years with that darned Hensley hitch, complaining the entire time that we should be towing it on the ball.
RIGHT
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02-06-2023, 12:08 PM
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Rivet Master
2008 22' Safari
Spicewood (W of Austin)
, Texas
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 2,987
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I tow many thousands-of-miles on the ball with my 22’ single-axle and it does fine, never a problem. (I do have a friction anti-sway bar for extra safety, but didn’t have anything for the first 10K miles. High-winds/I-10/West-Texa 18-wheelers is what the anti-sway helped mostly, but otherwise, it did fine.)
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02-06-2023, 03:46 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxite
I tow many thousands-of-miles on the ball with my 22’ single-axle and it does fine, never a problem. (I do have a friction anti-sway bar for extra safety, but didn’t have anything for the first 10K miles. High-winds/I-10/West-Texa 18-wheelers is what the anti-sway helped mostly, but otherwise, it did fine.)
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Airstreams...the best TETO RV.
“If you’re happy with what you’re doing…all is good.
If other people are unhappy….it’s not”
RLC
Bob
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02-06-2023, 05:08 PM
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Rivet Master
1988 32' Excella
Robbinsville
, New Jersey
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 3,165
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boba911
I also thought that the hitch would make a biggest difference set properly. This is why I call CAMCO service and explained my problem. The Jeep Gladiator does have a stiff suspension which I don't want to change. I do believe that the hitch will do the trick but we will see. Also I did tow a 23ft AS duel axil FC with no problems and used an Equalizer hitch setup. The hitch was noise but no porpoising. Does a trailer with 2 axils not have this problem?
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2 axle trailers CAN have this problem.
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02-06-2023, 08:50 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wazbro
2 axle trailers CAN have this problem.
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Definitely. My 22’ dual axle 2007 International CCD WILL easily porpoise if I don’t dial in enough WD tension.
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'The Silver HamShack' ('07 International 22FB CCD 75th Anniversary)
Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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02-07-2023, 06:18 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Consider...
Not all porpoising is trailer related...road harmonics can be a real PITA.
We had a stretch of concrete on the NYS Thruway that no amount of trailer fiddling would correct.
Finding the correct speed was the only way to reduce it, nothing would eliminate it.
Bob
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02-08-2023, 09:35 AM
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Maniacal Engineer
1971 25' Tradewind
Lopez Island
, Washington
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,244
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Foiling Flipper
The porpoising problem is this: The TV rocking on it's suspension in the fore and aft direction, driven by bumps in the road, with the additional mass and weight of the trailer lowering the frequency and increasing the amplitude from the unloaded condition. Most of the time, it's tolerable, but certain sections of road driven at normal speeds can be pretty awful.
Since this is a classic underdamped resonant system, anything that changes the resonant frequency of the system or the frequency at which it's driven will help. So:
- Slowing down or speeding up may move the excitation far enough from the resonance point to make things ok.
- Increasing the damping (stiffer shocks) on the TV can help, but may make it too stiff when not towing.
- Air bags on the TV can move the resonance point enough higher to make the problem go away. This really helped our truck; it's a crew cab F250 and porpoised easily.
- WD bars will also affect the resonant frequency; they don't add damping but stiffer bars will move it up, more compliant bars will move it down. Either may help.
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02-08-2023, 09:36 AM
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#30
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4 Rivet Member
2019 25' Flying Cloud
Greeneville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 436
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Hitch
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boba911
I have purchased a 2018 19 ft Tommy Bahama and it came with a Equalizer 14000# hitch setup. I tow with a Jeep Gladiator Rubicon and towed a 23 ft AS with no problems in the past. On the 19ft it seems to be porpoising a lot while towing. I have check the tow height of everything and all seen level. I am thinking that the 14000# spring bars in the hitch is too much for this light trailer?? Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
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Your spring bars are way too heavy. You don't have enough weight on them to allow them to function. Go lighter, your Airstream will thank you.
Happy Camping
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02-08-2023, 09:42 AM
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#31
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3 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Highlands Ranch
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 225
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Front shocks weren't specifically mentioned, but if the front shocks are toast, that could contribute to porpoising. When I tow I bump my front Rancho 9000XL shocks up one setting (from 5 to 6), while the rear shocks get changed from 4 to 8 or 9 depending upon how heavy the trailer is loaded.
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2006 Fleetwood Gearbox 220FB (toy hauler) <- current
2017 F-350 CCLB 6.7L
2019 Nissan Leaf SV+
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02-08-2023, 10:00 AM
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#32
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1 Rivet Member
2008 27' Classic FB
St. Louis
, Missouri
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 18
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Check 3 Things
1. The torsion bars are too stiff for your trailer weight by about 3X. This may be triggering a bounce. Fix this whatever else you do… it’s probably unsafe because it makes the whole rig harder to control particularly as speed increases. This is true for any weight distribution hitch. Changing hitch brands without correction the torsion bar stiffness will probably not help.
2. If trailer shocks are leaking, weak, old, or you don’t know how old, replace them. This should help damp out any remaining “bounce” and certainly will not hurt.
3. Ditto #2 for the tow vehicle.
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