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Old 08-05-2016, 07:00 AM   #21
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I will correct myself

I will correct myself. You did say Yukon 2500 (9400- 9600 #)

Still with rated towing capacity of 9400 - 9600

That makes a person think it is close to 10,000
But adding 4 - 6 adults and two labs,
a Hensley or Propride
plus the possibility of a Generator, tool box, and any other heavy items

Too close to the limits if not over.
Sure it might tow.
It might Stop.
It might have a huge nervous factor every time there is an undulation in the highway as you hit a bridge overpass with a tractor trailer passing at the same time with a heavy crosswind, all the while thinking, "Man, This Yukon sure is nice, but wish I had more room for margin of error." or translation "Holy S**t!"
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Old 08-05-2016, 07:07 AM   #22
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Did not know that GMC Sierra had a five person version - that sounds like a possiblity and it sure sounds like a tricked up Yukon is not.
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Old 08-05-2016, 07:21 AM   #23
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All full size extended cab and crew cab pickups hold 5 or 6 people depending on whether you have 2 bucket seats and a console up front or a bench seat up front. The back seat is always 3 passengers, usually wide enough no hips, elbows, or knees touch. Think of the cab in a modern full size pickup as a living room with 2 recliners and a couch. I have more space in my pickup truck than in any other vehicle I have ever owned or driven, including full size vans. Only full size SUVs could compare, but they cost more and do not have an open truck bed for hauling big stuff.
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Old 08-05-2016, 08:46 AM   #24
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Dogs in Back

Huge downside to Pickup trucks with a shell cover versus Yukon 2500.
No Air Conditioning in the dog area in back.

Having the shell cover on the back of a pickup truck is a huge downside for the dogs.
Depending on the cover, with all windows open in the shell cover, it can run 8 - 10 degrees hotter than ambient air while driving interstate 65 mph.

I tested with a shell cover and the windows open. One facing the cab, plus two side windows open.
I used a remote thermometer to watch as we drove in 95-97 degree sunny days.
The inside of the bed was 8 - 10 degrees hotter. Putting it well over 100. Too hot for the dog.
All windows in the shell were open, so one would think that it would follow close to ambient air temperature, but the side windows have screens which have some effect on reducing airflow. Truck cab sliding rear window was closed but shell window was open. Air flow was in the gap between cab and shell.

Sure would be nice to have a SUV with 3/4 ton pickup truck towing capacity.
Your Yukon 2500 is close, but for a 10,000# Classic, I would bet not enough.
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Old 08-05-2016, 08:52 AM   #25
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If you have a sliding glass on the truck, a boot between the truck and cap, a sliding glass on the shell, and fans in the shell...
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Old 08-05-2016, 08:55 AM   #26
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If you do pick a pickup with a canopy topper, pick a canopy that has full side wing windows that open fully up.


These toppers are a safe way to park a vehicle and have your dog in moderate heat because they offer full cross ventilation. Then pick a wire crate, instead of a plastic, because again you have full ventilation.

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Hanging out at a lot of Summer AKC retriever hunt tests I have noticed it is alway more tricky for the SUV and Van owners to keep their dogs protected from the heat than those with pickups. With a pickup you can have the high quality insulated box or the above pick up topper.

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So being able to pull into the super awesome, must not skip, no dogs allowed, because your pups have a cool location to hang is a pro for having a pickup.

I have the MTCK box, but of course my girl often finds her way into the cab
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I'd be looking at a sprinter type van for that many people. Mercedes and Dodge come equipped with diesels. I believe the Excursion is also coming back out if you want a SUV
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Old 08-05-2016, 09:36 AM   #28
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Does a Sprinter have enough guts to tow a 10,000# GVW travel trailer while loaded with people and dogs?
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There are some Fords on the Enterprise vanpool site with the 5.4 and the above Chevy has a 6.0. Seems like a viable starting point. If the power falls a bit short, there is tuner tech on the market. Understand the Chevy throttle response needs some aftermarket help, but programming is supposed to resolve. Pat
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Old 08-05-2016, 10:25 AM   #30
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We bought 14 2011 Ford E350 Superduty vans with the 5.4 motor.
They don't tow well.
Every single one has had 2 transmissions.
We retired them and bought 2500 and 3500 Duramax/Allison crew cab pickups to replace them.
Towing capacity is only 9,900# and the transmission honestly is not up to the task.
Every one of them uses oil, also.
Please steer clear of this one.
The GM vans have the 6.0 as the largest engine. They are much more stout and robust than their Ford counterparts and have more payload and towing capacity and transmissions that die at 300,000 miles due to old age.
Our fleet is 95% or more GM for that reason.
Ford Econoline 350's are used up at 350,000 miles. Chevy Express/GMC Savana are used up at 550,000 miles.
You plug up an OBD II scanner to a Ford Econoline and you are chasing rabbits- can never get it repaired.
Plug an OBD II scanner to a GM van, get a code, replace a part, and all is well again.
Just some food for thought...
Also, as for now GM is still manufacturing the current generation Express/Savana. Ford has discontinued the Econoline except for the E450 Superduty chassis cab and replaced it with the Transit, which I know nothing about so far but I am sure it probably has their EcoBoost 3.5 motor.
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Old 08-05-2016, 10:44 AM   #31
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We are seriously considering buying a 2017 Classic J - GVWR 10000 - we, however, want a TV that can seat 6 - 4 adults and our two labs. Is it reasonable to think that we cd get a Yukon 2500 (used or new - retrofitted with a Duramax diesel) and it will be enough to tow all this - or is (1) the length of the cab going to be a problem in towing or (2) the weight of the passengers etc a problem?
We are also relatively new to Airstream and RVing so have had the same questions you have asked. Everyone has an opinion but what really determines the right answer is your own situation - location, type of travel and specific needs. I would strongly suggest you contact CanAm RV in London Ontario. They are specialists in setting up tow vehicles and I know would be happy to answer your questions even though you did not buy your rig from them. They have given us great advice, saved us money by getting us better mileage and given us peace of mind with more stable and safer towing set up. They gave us great choices when we were deciding what vehicle to buy. They have many US customers. Contact information is: 1866 226 2678. www.CanAmRV.ca Good Luck!
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Old 08-05-2016, 08:34 PM   #32
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I almost totally agree with dcasr, except my suggestion would be the new 2017 Ford F-350 Super Duty crew cab with the 6.7L PowerStroke diesel :-). 925 ft-lbs of torque should be awesome!
The report I read on the 2017 SuperDuty said the cabs are the same as on the 2016 F-150's. I have one of those as a SuperCrew. The rear seat is huge. Add that the floor is flat all the way across and you may be able to have the dogs in the truck. Would be worth a visit to a dealer once they show up on the lots. I swear, I think I could fold up the rear seat and sleep on the floor- might happen if I get in big trouble with the DW!

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Old 08-06-2016, 12:01 AM   #33
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BTW, double tap on one button on my key fob drops the tailgate. Also discovered that the remote start also turns on the A/C.

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I’m a newbie here too.

We have a 2008 Toyota Sequoia which seats 8 adults comfortably around town, or 6 comfortably on a road trip. There is plenty room for two large dogs with the third row up or down. The 5.7L engine has 401 ft lb torque, which is ample power to pull at 10K lb trailer.

The end of June we bought a 34’ Avion GVWR 9995. In the last six weeks we’ve been out 15 nights, and towed more than 1800 miles. The Toyota was at all times well mannered. I never came close to taxing the capacity of the engine.

I am very satisfied with my TV.
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I've often wondered why the key fob lock and unlock doesn't do the tailgate too...
Depends on the brand. My 2013 RAM 1500 locked the tailgate along with the doors on the via the key fob. My 2015 GMC 1500, it did not. Now with the 2016 2500 Chevy it does. Haven't owned a Ford truck in many years, so I'm not sure what they are, or are not doing. But GM just started doing this, while RAM has obviously done it for a while.
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So we went to GMC dealer - prompting a new question- (1) dual rear tires or (2) single rear tires? Dealer said that dual were preferred for trailer towing because they provide more torque but I seem to recall a debate over this in one of the forums.

But I can get what seems like a good deal on a 2016 Denali HD 3500 Duramax Diesel - with dual rear tires.

Any advice?
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The dually is a mismatch to an Airstream, as are the occupant requirements. Should you be looking at a fifth wheel trailer or motorhome?
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I'm curious as to why a dually would not be good for an Airstream? I would think more rubber on the road would be more better? Towing in the mountains seems to wear the rubber off my single rear tires at a noticeable rate.
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Old 08-07-2016, 01:09 PM   #39
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I just don't think it is necessary.
Been towing with a 4 wheel half ton all these years and it works great-


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I tow with a 3500 drw and it is certainly not necessary for any Airstream. My previous rv was a fifth wheel. The dually does not give you more torque but adds to stability and weight carrying capacity. One disadvantage is less traction when not loaded due to a larger footprint. It is more of a hassle when using it to go pick up groceries while on a trip but it's something I've adjusted to. It's primary purpose is towing so it is seldom used around home.
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