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Old 07-08-2021, 08:52 PM   #1
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Tongue weight of GT27 2021

The dealer measured it and gave me the result on the pic below. This is almost 50% above what the specs for this trailer are. If you took the weight of yours, did you have a similar number?
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There are a few models in the Airstream lineup that greatly exceed specifications for tongue weight. In most cases, it's the 25FB to 30FB models that exceed hitch weights by quite a lot. Both my Sherline and the CAT scale confirmed my hitch weight was 49% greater than specs. I think some AS dealers are aware, and some I know are clueless. I am not sure about the 23FB models showing increased hitch weights.

For my 2018 FC25FBT, the listed hitch weight is 837lbs with full propane, and my actual was 1251lbs with full propane, awnings, solar panels and cargo. As a result, my Airstream tracks exceptionally well on the road, without any sway in even high cross winds. Its an extremely stable trailer. It also means I must carefully watch my payload on my tow vehicle, far more than I ever anticipated. Interestingly, I noticed my hitch weight decreased 62 lbs when I carried full tank of 39 gals fresh water.

In your specifc case, you are reading an incredible 1400lbs hitch weight, and though it's certainly possible, It may also be an inaccurate reading by a faulty Sherline scale. I weighed mine 3 times, letting it go back to zero each time, and took the average. All readings were within 25lbs of the average.
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The 23FB also weighs more than advertised at the hitch. Airstream says it’s 439 lbs. In reality, it’s closer to 620 lbs. It is still quite lightweight, but roughly 41% more than advertised.
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Old 07-09-2021, 08:45 PM   #4
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Yep. 40% to 50% higher tongue weight than specs. Basically, the axles are a few inches too far aft.
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Thanks all, that has implications on the TV, what model to get. I have a 2021 F150 hybrid ready to pick up, but I think I will have to go 250 or 350. I carry a bed slide, a topper and a honda 7000is generator, no way I can put all that on the available payload of that 150, unfortunately. Any way around it?
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Any way around it?
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Old 07-09-2021, 09:32 PM   #7
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FWIW, fully loaded my 2019 Globetrotter 27FBT: 1124 lbs tongue weight. The published numbers mean nothing.
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The tongue weight is much lower if you are using a weight distributing hitch. My Yukon Denali (1500) requires a WD hitch for trailers above 5000 pounds. My pro pride hitch effectively lowers tongue weight so I’m not too worried about the higher tongue weight measured while unhitched.
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The tongue weight is much lower if you are using a weight distributing hitch. My Yukon Denali (1500) requires a WD hitch for trailers above 5000 pounds. My pro pride hitch effectively lowers tongue weight so I’m not too worried about the higher tongue weight measured while unhitched.
The WD hitch distributes some of the weight off of the the hitch and re-distributes it to the front wheels. A big concern with the weight of the AS’s tongue is payload. Whatever the number is, it adds to payload. With a 1,400lb tongue, you don’t have a lot of payload left.
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Any way around it?
There really is no way around it. You are within your TV specs or you are not. You would have to shed 100s of pounds of tongue weight, something you are likely not going to be able to do.
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Actually, hitch weight never changes with a weight distribution hitch. The WD hitch distributes some of the weight to the front wheels. The concern is payload and overloading your truck. Hitch weight contributes to payload.
Exactly correct. While I am a huge fan of the Propride hitch, it is the heaviest out there, which just adds to the problem if you are already over your TV cargo capacity.
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WD does not fix a payload problem.

It *does* help get weight from the rear axle to the front axle. That way you actually *get* the full payload number. Without it, you probably don't get to the door sticker number without the rear axle being over.

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Thanks all, that has implications on the TV, what model to get. I have a 2021 F150 hybrid ready to pick up, but I think I will have to go 250 or 350. I carry a bed slide, a topper and a honda 7000is generator, no way I can put all that on the available payload of that 150, unfortunately. Any way around it?
No way around it. Now is the time to get the proper TV, as you did a good job evaluating actual hitch weight of your Airstream. Hopefully your dealer can just clear your paperwork from the F150 and move it to an F350. Check door sticker to confirm payload.
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I'd ask the dealer whether they had the trailer level when they did that measurement.
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I'd ask the dealer whether they had the trailer level when they did that measurement.
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I'd also ask how the trailer was loaded. The factory spec is on an empty trailer.

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I'd also ask how the trailer was loaded. The factory spec is on an empty trailer.

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Propane alone is ~60 lbs of tongue weight.
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You can reduce tongue weight and shift some of the load from the pick up to the trailer. Here are a few things you can do; move the spare tire from the front and put it under the belly pan behind the rear axles, relocate the trailer batteries to the inside of the trailer towards the rear or over the axles i.e. under the fridge, reduce the propane tank size from 30 to 20lb. Also relocate heavier items inside the trailer to the rear. This may not be enough to solve your issue. The topper, bed slide and generator are heavy items. Alternatively a lightweight folding bed cover without a bed slide and a smaller generator would really go a long way to making this work for you. If you really need these heavier accessories then a truck with a much bigger payload is inevitable.
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On our 2021 International 27FB the higher than spec hitch weight means that more cargo can be / should be loaded aft of the axles.

Many people talk about the dangers of loading things on the bumper for fear of creating an unstable trailer. However, if the hitch is in fact too heavy, bike carriers or even rear bumper platform to mount a generator could help reduce hitch weight back to specification.

We load lighter weight items up front and make a conscious effort to load heavy items aft of the axles. The fresh water tank is aft of the front axle. Water in that tank also helps reduce hitch weight.

We found a load plan after some experimentation that kept the hitch weight less than 1,000 lbs.
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The tongue weight is much lower if you are using a weight distributing hitch. My Yukon Denali (1500) requires a WD hitch for trailers above 5000 pounds. My pro pride hitch effectively lowers tongue weight so I’m not too worried about the higher tongue weight measured while unhitched.
This statement is incorrect! The tongue weight is the same regardless of using or not using a WD hitch. A WD hitch simply distributes the tongue weight forward on the tow vehicle. No matter what hitch you use, none of them can magically make the weight at the tongue of any trailer disappear.
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This statement is incorrect! The tongue weight is the same regardless of using or not using a WD hitch. A WD hitch simply distributes the tongue weight forward on the tow vehicle. No matter what hitch you use, none of them can magically make the weight at the tongue of any trailer disappear.
Actually a good WD hitch will move about 20% of the tongue weight to the front axle of the TV AND 20% to the trailer, leaving 60% on the TV rear axle. No magic required. GT weigh more than either FC or internationals. And as stated before, a full fresh water tank will leverage more weight off the TV.
Weight your rig, dry, loaded, then loaded with full fresh water. Your TV rear axle rating is usually your limiting factor. Weigh it three times each for more accurate readings
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