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Old 03-24-2006, 02:51 PM   #41
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Before you "question" the motivation of Discount Tire as just mere profit, you may want consider the relatively responsible position of the largest (by volume sales) tire retailer in the nation that, incidentally, offers "free replacement" coverage. Maybe the company knows a little bit more than most of us
I definitly don't trust any company to treat it's customers honestly and fairly just because they have some responsibility to provide good information. Their number one responsibility is to the shareholders to sell lots of tires.

I get my professional advice on how to use my tires, what tire pressures to use, and when to replace them from our local Tire Factory shop. The guys know us by name when we come in, and they want to keep us happy and accident free so we can keep buying tires from them. It is a family business and they have been supplying tires for the local farm trucks, horse trailers, and cars since before I was born. If they told me to never tow over 55, I might listen.

But then even Discount Tire isn't telling you not to drive over 55 with your trailer. They're saying the max speed for a trailer tire is 65. I assume there's even some leeway built into that number. So why would you have a problem with anyone towing at 65 and recommend they need to slow down?

I guess my main problem with this whole thing is that Discount Tire seems to be implying that trailer tires break down in a way that is completely undetectable, and you can only be safe by regularly replacing your tires - which appear to be crack free, and still have good tread left on them. It seems to me like they're trying to scare you into buying new tires more often than you need to. But that's just my opinion and it's worth exactly what you paid for it.
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Ok, I read the Discount Tire thing, and ran across some confusing statements. Like the following:
  • Trailer tires are designed for use on trailer axle positions only, not for the loads applied to or the traction required by drive or steering axles.
  • An "LT" designation on a trailer tire size specifies load range only. It is not designed for use on light trucks.
  • Do not mount "ST" or "LT" trailer tires on passenger cars or light trucks.
I'm ok with the first bullet.

The second bullet point just doesn't make sense. What does "LT" designation mean? I thought LT meant "Light Truck" tire. If it isn't designed to be used on a light truck, what does it mean?

Same with the second part of the third item. I understand not mounting ST tires on a passenger car or light truck, but why can't "LT" trailer tires be used on a light truck.

I think they need to define what a "LT" trailer tire is.

"ST" stands for "Special Trailer". "LT" stands for "Light Truck". "P" stands for "Passenger".
There IS no "LT" weight rating I am aware of. "LT trailer tires are primarily for heavy duty trailers, such as equipmemnt trailers.
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Old 03-24-2006, 05:51 PM   #43
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Ford says to change the oil in my Powerstoke every 7,500 miles ... every dealer I've been to wants to change it at 3,000.

Blackstone (oil analysis) says I can go longer after my last sample that had 4,000 miles on it. ("With wear looking this good, you could add some miles to your oil use, if interested.")

Gee, I wonder if the dealer is just trying to sell me an oil change?
The 3,000 mile service interval is a general severe service interval for gasoline powered engines in passenger cars and light trucks in stop-and-go traffic, with extended idling and high heat (like sitting in trafic with the air conditioning on).
Since no one but you knows how you are driving, they use the standard "worst case" service interval when recommending oil changes.
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hello rubberized rotund rollers and ribbers.....

"This bears repeating, so I am posting a new thread. Trailer tires are speed rated at a maximum of 65 m.p.h. Beyond that speed, road surface heat combines with the weight of the trailer and tire disintegration begins....."


really it's not that simple......and as for the discount piece....one never knows if the info was written by the expert, or the expert was interviewed and the writer 'interpreted' the info....

really hard for me to believe a tire expert, or even a sales expert would goof on what lt and st designate....

also the comment about driving from a 2 b in 100degree heat....
well it's road temps that matter....not air.....
so road surface temps could be 70 or 150 degrees...with 100 degree air temps...

i'd like to see finite numbers for tire temps and how 10-20 degrees affects brakedown....or not....

and any time there are numbers......over 3 years, 1/3, blah, blah...

i want to know how those numbers were derived...
did they for example tear the tires up at 1, 2, 3, 4 years
and test against original factory parameters or what?

good luck getting to the details behind those figures, jack.....

i have pulled from 50-75 mph (in 5-7mph increments) on a given day in warm weather and checked tire temps at 30 minute intervals.....with a infrared surface probe...and didn't find any change in trailer tire temps over these speeds....i did note t.v. tire temps 20-30 degrees higher than the trailer but still don't know if that was significant and to what amount brake heat via the wheels warmed the tires...

my understanding of the 65mph speed rating is a liablity issue mostly....
ratings are a balance of factors and speed is but one...

-we most all will agree that under inflated tires heat up more than properly inflated tires....
at any speed, in most weather and at most loads.....
-and that underinflation seems to relate to premature tire failures...and other handling issues...
-and that prolonged inactivity under load isn't good either...
-poor alignment or imbalance must lead to higher temps, wear...and breakdown....

are speed and age greater negatives than these?....i wonder....

so keep the tires properly inflated and rolling......for less hot air....

and i've had great tire buying experience from tire rack........

porky.....
my ford dealer suggests 5k for the oil changes on my diesel...
of course, since they have taken tooo long twice and the changes have been free.....
maybe that recommendation is so they save money on my service

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porky.....
my ford dealer suggests 5k for the oil changes on my diesel...
of course, since they have taken tooo long twice and the changes have been free.....
maybe that recommendation is so they save money on my service

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Not to hijack the thread, but.......................

My 2004 Dodge Sprinter (Mercedes) regularly goes 12,000-13,000 miles between oil changes with the optional service interval computer and all those extra sensors.
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Old 03-25-2006, 05:21 AM   #46
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When I had a flat on the trailer last week the Walmart Super Center in Myrtle Beach wouldn't touch it. He said they weren't allowed to do anything with trailer tires.
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When I had a flat on the trailer last week the Walmart Super Center in Myrtle Beach wouldn't touch it. He said they weren't allowed to do anything with trailer tires.
Might just have to drag the wheel to them. We had an incident with Wallyworld a couple of weeks ago. One of the guys that works for me took his little truck down to have the rear tires replaced. He wanted the same size put back on, but Walmart wouldn't do it because it wasn't the tire size listed on the door sticker. The tire size in question is actually an optional size for his truck and he had them upgraded when he bought the truck. It sounds to me like a serious case of CYA period...I will stay off my anti-litigation/personal reponsibility soapbox He drives 5 miles down the road and gets a local discount tire center to do it for him.

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hello rubberized rotund rollers and ribbers.....

"This bears repeating, so I am posting a new thread. Trailer tires are speed rated at a maximum of 65 m.p.h. Beyond that speed, road surface heat combines with the weight of the trailer and tire disintegration begins....."


my understanding of the 65mph speed rating is a liablity issue mostly....
ratings are a balance of factors and speed is but one...

-we most all will agree that under inflated tires heat up more than properly inflated tires....
at any speed, in most weather and at most loads.....
-and that underinflation seems to relate to premature tire failures...and other handling issues...
-and that prolonged inactivity under load isn't good either...
-poor alignment or imbalance must lead to higher temps, wear...and breakdown....

so keep the tires properly inflated and rolling......for less hot air....


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It has been my unscientific observation that the majority of problems on our highways are not caused by equipment failure, but rather by eight cylinder vehicles being driven by two cylinder minds.

When there is an observable vehicle defect, it usually boils down to a loose nut behind the steering wheel.

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In regard to Minnesota drivers. They drive slow or exactly at the speed limit in the left lanes because they feel a need to impose on you. It is a very paternalistic liberal state with Scandanavian socialist roots. So if the speed iimit is 55 mph everyone is going to make sure you know that. In Minnesota those same left lane drivers seem to have a penchant for wanting to sneak around and speed up on you and pass you on the right to beat you to the exit ramp even when you have your turn signal on. I feel free when I cross the St. Croix River into Wisconsin but then have to be wary of the over zealous state patrol.

In Great Britain the laws were very clear. Stay left (right in America) and pass only to the right (left for us). I was amazed how well that simple law worked and how much safer I felt going as much as 80 mph (and being passed by a Smart car at 85 ).

Stebfronts is right about Intrepids at least in GB. The other shocker was seeing midsize cars pulling huge caravans (trailers). The VW Passat seemed to be a popular hauler. I seldom saw a personal vehicle larger than a midsize Toyota Tacoma type pickup. Our rented Kia Sorrento (compact SUV in America) looked like a monster on the roads there. In Wales it felt huge on winding highways only 15'-7" wide, no shoulders and stone walls each side typical to that country.

The Dodge/Freightiner/Mercedes Sprinter van diesel oil change recommendation interval is 10,000 miles.

Now back on topic. My Airstream trailer had tires that looked new and from my estimation of its history probably had no more than 50 miles on them but they were 10 years old. The buyer pulled it from Minnesota to Salt Lake City, Utah. I hope he made it.
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In regard to Minnesota drivers. They drive slow or exactly at the speed limit in the left lanes because they feel a need to impose on you. It is a very paternalistic liberal state with Scandanavian socialist roots. So if the speed iimit is 55 mph everyone is going to make sure you know that. In Minnesota those same left lane drivers seem to have a penchant for wanting to sneak around and speed up on you and pass you on the right to beat you to the exit ramp even when you have your turn signal on.
To stay off topic for one more short post, I can't address the left-lane speed issues in Minnesota, but driving in the left lane on many of Minnesota's freeways is done out of necessity to keep the vehicle you're driving from shaking itself apart in the "slow" or "truck" lane.

I've made a couple of trips to the "Land of 10,000 Lakes" while towing trailers in the past few years and the condition of the #2 lane (generally the right lane) on many of Minnesotas interstates is abysmal. I just drove the entire length of Minnesota two weeks ago on I-90 towing a 19' Scamp fifth wheel, and had to drive much of it in the "fast" lane because the trailer bounced so bad on the "slow" lane, it was hard to maintain control.

NOW back to your regularly scheduled thread...

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It has been my unscientific observation that the majority of problems on our highways are not caused by equipment failure, but rather by eight cylinder vehicles being driven by two cylinder minds.

When there is an observable vehicle defect, it usually boils down to a loose nut behind the steering wheel.

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yep. that is the source of most of our problems. the engineers havent yet figured out how to design out the A-H behind the wheel. .....yet. as I'm typing this, I'm watching a segment on GMA about driverless vehicles. so they're getting close.

on the Wally-World thing: ran into that, too. wanted to buy tires from Sam's club last year, as they had good prices, and so forth. But they wouldn't mount them on my "trailer". They wouldn't touch my trailer. All they could do is mount them and balance them if I brought them the wheels. They also wouldn't let ME jack up my trailer and remove the wheels from it in their parking lot.
so I bought them somewhere else. can't imagine what their "bug-a-boo" is about this.
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To stay off topic for one more short post, I can't address the left-lane speed issues in Minnesota, but driving in the left lane on many of Minnesota's freeways is done out of necessity to keep the vehicle you're driving from shaking itself apart in the "slow" or "truck" lane.

I've made a couple of trips to the "Land of 10,000 Lakes" while towing trailers in the past few years and the condition of the #2 lane (generally the right lane) on many of Minnesotas interstates is abysmal. I just drove the entire length of Minnesota two weeks ago on I-90 towing a 19' Scamp fifth wheel, and had to drive much of it in the "fast" lane because the trailer bounced so bad on the "slow" lane, it was hard to maintain control.

NOW back to your regularly scheduled thread...

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A known issue in many states on the heavily traveled Intersates. Courtsey of overweight and high weight trucks. One of our DOT engineers here in NC commented that an 80,000# truck at 70 MPH does as much damage in a single pass over a given piece of road, as 5000 cars over the same piece of road....food for thought...

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yep. that is the source of most of our problems. the engineers havent yet figured out how to design out the A-H behind the wheel. .....yet. as I'm typing this, I'm watching a segment on GMA about driverless vehicles. so they're getting close.

on the Wally-World thing: ran into that, too. wanted to buy tires from Sam's club last year, as they had good prices, and so forth. But they wouldn't mount them on my "trailer". They wouldn't touch my trailer. All they could do is mount them and balance them if I brought them the wheels. They also wouldn't let ME jack up my trailer and remove the wheels from it in their parking lot.
so I bought them somewhere else. can't imagine what their "bug-a-boo" is about this.
Won't do duallys either. It is all fear of litigation/product liability/refusal to take responsibility on both the sellers and buyers part.

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Hi, I agree with 2airishuman. All those numbersstarttoruntogetherafterawhile in my head. I do have one question for 2air. How did you get your wife to go along with your scientific testing? If I even mentioned the idea of stopping every 1/2 hour, well... . But seriously, I had an encounter of the scariest kind on an interstate in Indiana. Did you know that hot rubber can start a grass fire? Now I need to find a new skidplate for a single axle 67 safari. I was traveling at 60 mph with properly inflated OLD tires. I had no clue about the different types of tires. If the tread is still good and the sides aren't cracked...! I sure wish I had come across a thread like this before my first AS.
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I do have one question for 2air. How did you get your wife to go along with your scientific testing? .
hi cnssanders....

sedatives can be useful......

i only clear travel issues with the pooch...


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i agree that checking the nut behind the wheel comes before the alcoa's...

the basic take home message from the discount rv site, is that these tires are idle a lot, wear isn't the primary issue....so evaluate the tire's full history and replace sooner rather than later....i agree with all of that.

their is one poorly worded item in the piece as i recall....
that trailer tires only have a 5,000-12,000 mile life span...

that could be true for a airstream 'planter' used once a season, but for frequent travelers....that could be one year or less.....who is replacing tires yearly?

i've got more than that in 11 months.......and hope to get 25-30k miles over a 2-3 year period before replacing....but do rotate every 5k, carry a compressor....and so on.

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I'm glad the item by discount tires was posted but find it interesting that I have seen no other numbers by any of the major "Goodyear Marathon" tire manufactures. I am going to drive to Salem Oregon to the international this year and it will be at least 10k miles. I have a tri axel with two spare tires cost about $1000, watch me throw the tires away after the trip. Not on your tin type. I do have tire monitoring sensors and they have saved me more than once. 62 mph is what I try to hold as top speed. Its interesting that my truck is carrying as much weigth per tire as my trailer and the failure rate is much different between the two. So far the trailer has never gone faster than the truck.
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Rick, if the trailer ever does go faster than the truck, be sure to wave when it goes by!...
Because of liability issues, and too many frivolous lawsuits against them, Wal-Mart seems to be entering "duck and cover" mode. They also won't do an oil change on a vehicle with even a slightly rounded oil drain plug, or any vehicle with evidence of an oil leak. This is just one more example of a company being beaten to death by the very litiginous society in which we live.
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For what ever this is worth . I just replaced two tires at Sam's club . They will not take them off a trailer , but they will mount and balance if you bring them the wheels .
The old and new tires are BF goodrich 235/75/15 XL commercial TA . I checked the date code on the old tires and it was '88 , I know it was '88 and not '98 because I know the history of the tires . That's right , 18 years old and not a single crack or blemish any where. They had about 7000 miles on them with good tread , 3000 on a vehicle and 4000 on the trailer. They were never covered .
Disclaimer - This is a first hand observation from one person and is not ment to rekindle any old controversies.Nor is this an indorsement to use 18 year old tires. My personal experience tells me these are very good tires .
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Slow down when towing - here is why

Anybody read this thread:
http://www.airforums.com/forum...res-16506.html
Much of this has already been covered.
There is a ST tire with a speedrating of over 100 MPH on the market, but is unavailable due the marketing structure of the manufacturer (Cooper). It is the ONLY ST tire with a speed rating on the sidewall.
According to tire manufacturers belt seperation is caused by excessive heat build up in the tire. By their own admission it is difficult to get rubber to stick to steel(tire rubber to steel belt).
Are we going to tow a unit over 100 MPH? Of course not. But which tire would you feel safer with, the tire built and tested to withstand the heat generated at 65 MPH or the tire built and tested to withstand the heat generated at 100 MPH.
The tire industry is also going away from traditional sizes (13", 14", 15")to the weird tires we are seeing on cars today(16", 17" Etc.)
The handwriting is on the wall folks.
Fortunately, there are 16 inch LT tires available that are the OD as the original 7.00/15 and the max width of the ST225/75R15 Marathon. Even the manufacturer of torsioin axle equipment trailers have gone away from the ST tires because of tire failure problems and gone to the 16" LT tires.
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