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Old 12-04-2018, 12:16 PM   #21
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The time for a viable EV has come. Maybe these are the people who can pull it off.

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I strongly agree with the first sentence. I donít agree with the second, but only because I donít think it will be any one manufacturer. It will be a competitive market, with improvements coming from all sides. We are seeing rapid and concurrent development now. This is why I donít understand the references to Elon Musk when discussing the future of EVs. He is just one player. A significant one in the early stages, maybe or maybe not in the long run.

Happy to hear you are willing to consider this product.
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Old 12-05-2018, 12:34 AM   #22
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I'll probably get this Rivian pickup truck or the Tesla pickup truck in 5-10 years to replace my RAM Power Wagon. That should give sufficient time for the bugs on the new electric trucks to get worked out.
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Another plus for Rivian is that the CEO seems to be a solid guy.
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Old 12-05-2018, 11:18 AM   #24
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Electric vehicles

Battery miles are a function of weight/load carried. The truck with the large battery pack states 400 mile range, that would be with only a driver and no load. Now add a trailer, you increase load and just as importantly air resistance so miles goes way down

With my diesel tow vehicle I get 30 mpg highway driving (for real, I track all fillups) but when I add my 17í 3500 lb trailer to the load my mileage drops to 18-22 depending on flat land or hills

With my 27í 5000 lb vintage AS, mileage goes to 10-13 mpg. Itís all a matter of energy used and batteries have a fixed amount of energy so I expect I would only get about 135 miles with an electric truck carrying that load

I expect an electric vehicle will also lose miles range in a similar manner, except it will get some power back with regenerative braking.

As for the electric bike comment, I also have them and their miles listing is usually based on a 100 lb rider on flat terrain. The bikes weigh about 45 lbs so thatís a total load of 145 lbs. now put a big guy like me (250lb) on that bike and now the total load is nearly 300 lbs. As expected I only get about half the miles they advertise on a charge, but I accept that.

Nearly all electric bikes donít have regenerative braking so they never get any power back but electric cars do
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If only Tesla made a more conventional style SUV instead of the X. Not sure about the new company, though. Many have tried, many have died. It's tough to build a car company.
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Old 12-05-2018, 02:00 PM   #26
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We just viewed several YouTubes on the Rivian Electric Trucks. We were very impressed with what we saw. These truck were just introduced at the Los Angeles Auto Show. The have already produced prototypes for road testing.

These vehicles are powered by separate electric motors on each wheel. The electric motors produce 800 horse power and 14,000 Newton Meters of torque. The driving range is up yo 400 miles on a single charge.

Rivian will produce a crew cab pick-up and a seven passenger SUV. The spec the pick-up to have a 1,700# payload and an 11,000# towing capacity. The price range will be between $50,000 and $70,000. Rivian expects to start selling trucks in the second half of 2020.

I have not been so impressed by anything automotive in a very long time. These things could actually tow an Airstream.

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Sounds good as long as I don't have to subsidize your purchase.
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I can see it as s commuter as in, home every night... maybe. But cross country donít think so. If I was serious and it made it, Iíd give a few years to work out the bugs and see if the company survives.
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Sounds good as long as I don't have to subsidize your purchase.

I did some research on the Federal Tax Credit for EVs. The credit did survive the new Tax Law, but there is a cap on the number of tax credits. It limits it to the first 200,000 vehicles from each manufacturer. I understand that Tesla is already approaching that number. I'm not counting on the EV tax credit still being available by the time the first Rivians are delivered to consumers.


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Sounds good as long as I don't have to subsidize your purchase.

But the existing and decades of subsidies for your fossil fuel powered truck are ok though?
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Just saw their display at the Los Angeles Auto Show. Very impressive! So many guys there working in the display to answer questions and show you details. Both the truck and SUV looked very production-ready. Very polished and well executed.
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But the existing and decades of subsidies for your fossil fuel powered truck are ok though?
To begin with I never stated that. I am opposed to all government subsidies for privet businesses.
The development of the IC engine driven vehicles was not subsidized by government. Every single EV venture is based on Government Subsidies as a business model. And the chances that the electricity generation to recharge the EV is subsidized as well.
I did not get a hefty tax break buying my Ford 3/4 ton power stroke diesel and to my knowledge neither did Ford.
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Most European countries, and many others around the world, have adopted deadlines for total bans on petroleum based autos/trucks. It's only a matter of time before the US does the same. California (and one other state I think) are already pondering their versions of a ban.

So it's important that electric truck be developed and quickly. If a subsidy accelerates development here then maybe auto worker jobs stay in the USA.
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I did not get a hefty tax break buying my Ford 3/4 ton power stroke diesel and to my knowledge neither did Ford.
I donít think you did, but you do get a significant subsidy every time you fill it up.
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Most European countries, and many others around the world, have adopted deadlines for total bans on petroleum based autos/trucks. It's only a matter of time before the US does the same. California (and one other state I think) are already pondering their versions of a ban.

So it's important that electric truck be developed and quickly. If a subsidy accelerates development here then maybe auto worker jobs stay in the USA.

Keep on dreaming.
Sixty five percent of the French and western Europe in general is driving diesel cars. The slapping of the carbon tax on to diesel fuel took it from 5+ to 7+ dollars per gallon unleashing a backlash the likes of which hasn't been seen since their last revolution. In the meantime the people also got education regarding the climate change hoax and for the first time they are rejecting that as well.
We get the daily update from my wives relatives.
Over sixty percent of the luxury cars sold in Germany today are diesel powered.
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This is a good thread about the upcoming potential and qualities of an Electric Vehicle.

Let's not get it shut down by trading insults, inserting politics and going of on soapboxes about unrelated topics.

Please.
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Sixty five percent of the French and western Europe in general is driving diesel cars. Ö..We get the daily update from my wives relatives.
Over sixty percent of the luxury cars sold in Germany today are diesel powered.
Your relatives might appreciate some new data sources. Instead of spreading misinformation, let them know what is really happening.

Diesel sales for passenger vehicle new sales in Europe have declined significantly, depending on the country. Projections are it will be down to 5% market share by 2030.

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ďThe disaffection towards diesel engine cars is spreading all over Europe,Ē the International Energy Agency said in a report.
The sale market share of diesel cars in the European Union fell to 36.5 percent in the first half of 2018 from 42.5 percent in the first half of 2017, according to the IEA.

Sales declined by 16 percent during the period to 3.12 million units, with declines in Britain reaching 30 percent.
In Germany, home to some of the worldís biggest diesel car producers including Volkswagen AG and BMW, diesel car sales dropped to 31.1 percent of the total in the first half of 2018 from 41.3 percent a year earlier.
Full Article: https://www.reuters.com/article/euro...-idUSL8N1WS22L
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Your relatives might appreciate some new data sources. Instead of spreading misinformation, let them know what is really happening.

Diesel sales for passenger vehicle new sales in Europe have declined significantly, depending on the country. Projections are it will be down to 5% market share by 2030.



Full Article: https://www.reuters.com/article/euro...-idUSL8N1WS22L
Iíll be there in a couple weeks, and Iíll count a few cars. Last time was October and this thread was going. I did notice quite a few diesels but people are starting to buy gas cars. I also saw a surprising number of electric vehicles. I would say it was 50/50 gas and diesel by last count. They have diesel versions of a lot of the cars we have, like the Escape.
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Your relatives might appreciate some new data sources. Instead of spreading misinformation, let them know what is really happening.

Diesel sales for passenger vehicle new sales in Europe have declined significantly, depending on the country. Projections are it will be down to 5% market share by 2030.



Full Article: https://www.reuters.com/article/euro...-idUSL8N1WS22L

There is an underlining reason for this. We know why however and there would be argument's on the reason. The P word would come out and the next thing wala thread closed.


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Iíll be there in a couple weeks, and Iíll count a few cars. Last time was October and this thread was going. I did notice quite a few diesels but people are starting to buy gas cars. I also saw a surprising number of electric vehicles. I would say it was 50/50 gas and diesel by last count. They have diesel versions of a lot of the cars we have, like the Escape.
It is certainly possible to count cars on the road, but that shows (anecdotally) the installed base, not the new sales. There is certainly a large installed base of diesel powered passenger vehicles. However, drastic drops in sales volumes give us a good idea what the future installed base is going to look like.
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There is an underlining reason for this. We know why however and there would be argument's on the reason. The P word would come out and the next thing wala thread closed.


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The fact that diesel passenger vehicle sales are plummeting in Europe is not a political opinion, it is just a fact.
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