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02-02-2021, 07:43 AM
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#21
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2020 Globetrotter 25 FBT
2020 25' Globetrotter
Wildwood
, Missouri
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,589
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The dealer we bought our 25’ GT installed a Reese receiver hitch on the rear frame. 10,000 rough towing miles later, with two bikes on the back. No issues. I jump on it to test it. 230 lbs, it’s as solid now as it was on day one. I think the older AS trailers had weaker frames, but I’m not sure.
FYI, my door still closes fine. No leaks etc..
Many others have done this also. Mine is bolted on, others have welded them on.
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2020 25GT FBT
2012 Toyota Tundra Dbl Cab, 5.7 4x4
Previous AS trailers: (04) 19’ Bambi, and (11) FC 23FB
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02-02-2021, 07:51 AM
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#22
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Rivet Master
2018 25' International
Slidell
, Louisiana
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 3,725
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load and weight distribution of course is an issue that has been mentioned, and frame concerns also. On the frame, the Airstream frames are light so they match the characteristics of the shell. The additional torque of up to 450 lb hanging 12-18 inches beyond the rear bumper may well create characteristics in the rear unfavorable for the frame, floor or shell. I suppose that's one of what GMFL is trying to get out of the manufacturer. The too light frames from the past (attempts to better match the frame to the shell), resulted in the famous Airstream sag and that comes to mind.
Edit: Several months ago, I did some rough calculations when we were trying to decide where to put the bikes. I figured a total weight of 150-175 lbs would not be a problem, hitch and receiver included.
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02-02-2021, 08:28 AM
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#23
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Rivet Master
2013 27' FB International
El Dorado Hills
, California
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,023
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I installed the Airstream approved permanently mounted Fiamma bike rack for my trailer and don't like it much. Already one of the support arms broke, a big issue with this rack noted over and over on these forums.
I'd love a receiver hitch like every other SOB trailer. So often the bike trail we want to ride doesn't begin at the campground, but several miles away. It makes so much more sense to be able move a hitch mounted rack between the trailer and truck for a day trip.
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02-02-2021, 09:53 AM
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#24
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Rivet Master
2016 28' International
Trois-Rivieres
, Quebec
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 696
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Careful with weight distribution
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny16
WOW! 450 pounds! That’s awesome. I can put my two bikes, Honda eu2000 and still have room for a decent size Yeti.
And it remains discreet?
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It's not a matter of whether you can load the back of your Airstream, it's whether you should:
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2016 International Signature CCD, RBQ, Dual A/C, 28'
2018 GMC Sierra SLE 2500HD, 4x4, Crew Cab, Duramax Diesel, Leer cap
Lift kit, 16" wheels, Michelin Agilis CC LT
DIY Solar: 500W Renogy panels, AM Solar hdw, Blue Sky MPPT controller, 470ah Rolls battery bank, 2000W Renogy inverter.
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02-02-2021, 10:08 AM
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#25
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1 Rivet Member
1958 17' Pacer
Santa Fe
, New Mexico
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 7
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I attached a rear bicycle rack to the rear of my 16’ Bambi. Could notice more sway potential but didn’t feel life threatening. With the weight of the hitch, bike rack and two bikes about 150 pounds hanging behind the rear axle. Now have a 20’ Bambi, going to install same setup. The FB 20’ has the fresh water tank in the rear, about 150 lbs full. When hauling bikes I will adjust fresh water as compensation.
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02-02-2021, 10:14 AM
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#26
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
, Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,576
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Frame is actually the body...
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02-02-2021, 10:56 AM
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#27
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2 Rivet Member
2019 27' Flying Cloud
Yorba Linda
, California
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 36
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Rear reciever hitch
When I got my 2019 Flying Cloud I had the reciever hitch installed. I use it for a bike rack or the Segway rack and it works well. I have had no towing issues and if I change to a newer AS I would have another one installed.
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02-02-2021, 11:00 AM
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#28
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2 Rivet Member
2019 27' Globetrotter
East Hills
, New York
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 40
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Take a look at KYD. I remember an episode where they welded at receiver on their trailer.
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02-02-2021, 11:08 AM
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#29
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Rivet Master
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 6,620
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pstetsonc
I attached a rear bicycle rack to the rear of my 16’ Bambi. Could notice more sway potential but didn’t feel life threatening. With the weight of the hitch, bike rack and two bikes about 150 pounds hanging behind the rear axle. Now have a 20’ Bambi, going to install same setup. The FB 20’ has the fresh water tank in the rear, about 150 lbs full. When hauling bikes I will adjust fresh water as compensation.
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Well, you really don't want to feel any sway; ever! Especially if it becomes "life threatening" , right? A single axil trailer is also not as stable as a dual axil, for sure. Whole point of caution is the center of gravity moves when you start adding any weight beyond the rear end; this is especially true of the AS...watch the video earlier in this thread to understand how moving weight around affects towing. To each his own...if you have never encountered sway, your lucky. It can really get your attention, or perhaps scare the heck out of you!
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Empty Nesters; Gypsies on the road! 2017 28' Twin Flying Cloud
2017 F250 King Ranch, 4X4, 6.7L, Blue-Ox WDH
Summer-Star Valley Ranch RV Resort (Thayne, WY); Winter-Sun City (Georgetown,TX)
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02-02-2021, 11:15 AM
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#30
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Rivet Master
2009 34' Panamerica
2005 28' Classic
Still
, in the thick of it
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 677
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I spoke to a support staff member a number of years ago and the simple answer was not to do it. There is a reason they endorse the Fiamma rack and how it's attached.
Honestly, many Airstreams bottom out and a good number of owners have done a 3" lift kit that helps the ground clearance issues. If you place 3-4" of hitch at the bumper, you are going to subject the rear of the coach to excessive force when it drags, far more that the supports that are in the area. **Maybe** if you got the lift kit and were able to get a hitch fabricated to mount north of the bumper on the frame, on the other side of where the body meets the frame, might be able to do it with little issue, but as has been pointed out, the frames are specifically designed for the application. Modifying it will most likely void any warranty claims made in areas in the back of the coach. 150lbs in cantilever type situation may exceed 150lbs of stress to the areas in question.
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02-02-2021, 11:42 AM
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#31
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2020 Globetrotter 25 FBT
2020 25' Globetrotter
Wildwood
, Missouri
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,589
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Here’s a picture of our Reese receiver hitch installed. I use a Kuat Bike carrier. It’s a pretty strong design. One bike is an ebike. FYI, our AS is the 25FB model. It’s tongue heavy vs other models. I am not concerned about shifting weight off of the tongue with this model. My previous AS was the 23FB. It’s just the opposite. Meaning, it was tongue light. The 25 has twice the tongue weight in a trailer that’s just 2 feet longer.
Hope this helps.
Edit, the receiver hitch hung down lower than the skid plates originally in that location. So, I added the 3” lift. No issues. With sway, stability, etc..
The hitch was installed by AS of Chicago before we bought this one used. Not sure how it will effect warranty.
I don’t like bikes on the front of the truck. I don’t think I can lift the ebike up above the propane tanks. We often have the kayak over the truck bed. This is working well at this point.
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02-02-2021, 12:05 PM
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#32
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Rivet Master
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 7,638
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hermes
It's not a matter of whether you can load the back of your Airstream, it's whether you should:
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Can we ban that video?
It's scientific evidence that a NEGATIVE tongue weight is bad.
I see it used to "prove" that a bicycle on the rear is a horrible idea.
KYD was aware of the opinions of adding a hitch to the back frame. How do I know, because I told him in an e-mail and he responded. But in conjunction with Cliff's Welding, who have done this before, he mounted the hitch and purchased a bike carrier that was up to the task of the vertical movement, and also hinged back to access the rear storage.
They've done a loop from AZ to ME and back with no ill effects. Maybe it can be done after all?
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02-02-2021, 12:14 PM
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#33
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4 Rivet Member
2019 22' Sport
Carlsbad
, California
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 403
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Quote:
Originally Posted by B. Cole
If you roll the rig, 5 bikes might not be needed on future runs.
Old ex multi million mile accident free Semi driver.Ive never seen any "potential " combination vehicle carnage like that.
I probably don't know what I'm talking about....
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Hence the “manage risk, not avoid it” comment. You managed risk across your trucking career, and sometimes did things that had more risk than other times. Understanding it, and managing it well is what matters. Being dangerously irresponsible (fairly subjective definition) is not something I do or condone.
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02-02-2021, 12:23 PM
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#34
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2 Rivet Member
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Truckee
, California
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 38
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Maybe I am thinking about this incorrectly, but from all the TV discussions and posts about AS stated tongue weights being actually quite a bit low compared to actual loaded trailer TW's, wouldn't adding some weight to the back bring the TW back in line?
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02-02-2021, 01:42 PM
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#35
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2 Rivet Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 26
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Airstream Rear Hitch
I had a rear trailer hitch installed by the dealer on my 2015 25' International when I bought it new. The dealer had been doing it for years with no adverse issues. I use a 2 bike rack with 2 mountain bikes (total weight about 100 lbs.) and have no extra sway or any other handling issues. When I attended an Alumapoloza event several years ago I asked one of the engineers why they say don't add a hitch and he said it is a legal issue. The lawyers are afraid someone will load up their Harley and then there would be real problems. On my previous International 22 I had the Fiamma rack installed and it may be great for road bikes but mountain bike are too wide. I couldn't fit both on and not have them hit each other no matter how I tried.
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02-02-2021, 02:10 PM
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#36
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Rivet Master
2016 16' Sport
Miami
, Florida
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,593
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pstetsonc
I attached a rear bicycle rack to the rear of my 16’ Bambi. Could notice more sway potential but didn’t feel life threatening. With the weight of the hitch, bike rack and two bikes about 150 pounds hanging behind the rear axle. Now have a 20’ Bambi, going to install same setup. The FB 20’ has the fresh water tank in the rear, about 150 lbs full. When hauling bikes I will adjust fresh water as compensation.
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How do measure potential sway and how do you determine if it’s threatening? If you notice sway it’s probably not a good thing.
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02-02-2021, 02:48 PM
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#37
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3 Rivet Member
2021 16' Caravel
Fullerton
, California
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 108
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During my walk through last month for our Caravel 16RB, the tech discouraged installing the Fiama bike rack (only 70 lb limit), and said their shop can and does install custom hitch receivers with a 200 lb limit. I don’t need it, but he mentioned it.
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02-02-2021, 03:04 PM
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#38
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2020 Classic 33
Box Elder
, South Dakota
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 1,731
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I've got one on my Classic 33. After the long list of Flama broken bits and pieces, damage to the trailer skin, not a chance that I would use one. Lots have changed about Airstream construction, new composite floor. IMHO risk is low for any damage and probably none in the lifetime I own the trailer. Don't put your motorcycle on it or tow a 747.
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2020 Classic 33 Twin, 2019 Ram 3500 Longhorn, ProPride
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02-02-2021, 03:05 PM
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#39
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4 Rivet Member
2019 22' Sport
Carlsbad
, California
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 403
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I think the practical answer is surfacing:
- Yes, you can install a rear hitch receiver and use that for bike racks and other platform attachments.
- Make sure it is very well attached to the frame
- It will increase potential for sway compared to it not being there at all.
- stay under 200 pounds of total weight (receiver, attachment, gear), and make sure your tongue weight is still in the appropriate +/- 12% range
- Use some kind of anti-sway device to help mitigate risk
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02-02-2021, 03:18 PM
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#40
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Rivet Master
1977 31' Sovereign
Rochester
, WASHINGTON
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 631
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny16
How do measure potential sway and how do you determine if it’s threatening? If you notice sway it’s probably not a good thing.
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Exactly
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