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07-30-2015, 05:19 PM
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Rivet Master
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Originally Posted by BoldAdventure
There’s a common conception that an opinion cannot be wrong. However, before you crouch behind your Shield of Opinion you need to ask yourself two questions.
.....Glad I could clear that up. I see it on this forum all the time.
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Is this your writing, or did you cut and paste it from an online article without attributing it? It just seemed very familiar.
Yes, Your Opinion Can Be Wrong | Houston Press
You should of used the John Oliver quote, that was a good skit.
But back to this topic, you just used an opinion to state that another's opinion was factually wrong. If you want to verify a position you could look to empirical evidence. Right now the evidence is looking like three years of successful towing is balanced against......opinion.
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07-30-2015, 05:53 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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jcl,
Is that your opinion or did we read it somewhere in a three year old thread?
Bob
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07-30-2015, 06:01 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Venice
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 1,024
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jcl
Is this your writing, or did you cut and paste it from an online article without attributing it? It just seemed very familiar.
Yes, Your Opinion Can Be Wrong | Houston Press
You should of used the John Oliver quote, that was a good skit.
But back to this topic, you just used an opinion to state that another's opinion was factually wrong. If you want to verify a position you could look to empirical evidence. Right now the evidence is looking like three years of successful towing is balanced against......opinion.
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My opinion is what it is. If you disagree that's ok & I respect that, so be it. My voice is as loud as yours, safety on the road effects everybody out there including yours.
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Venice, FL
2016 FC 25RTB
TAC FL-47
2018 Nissan Titan XD Cummins Diesel
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07-30-2015, 06:22 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
, Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
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My sister in law has a traverse, my wife has a toyota venza, I would not try to tow any trailer with either one of them, my opinion after towing travel trailers since 1971 ,when I bought my first one.....
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07-30-2015, 06:51 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2001 25' Safari
London
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 299
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jcl
So what we just learned is that it is three years later, and the OP is happy with his tow vehicle selection. Apparently it works well for him.
Garfield, thanks for posting.
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Thank you, and yes I am very happy. We plan on keeping this current combo (Safari and Traverse) at least until I retire in about 10 years.
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2001 Safari 25 SS
2011 Chevy Traverse 3.6L AWD • Hensley • DirecLink • McKesh
Set-up by Can-Am RV
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07-30-2015, 08:31 PM
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Rivet Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrjkq
My opinion is what it is. If you disagree that's ok & I respect that, so be it. My voice is as loud as yours, safety on the road effects everybody out there including yours.
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You are perfectly entitled to your opinion. I was responding to BoldAdventure, who posted a diatribe about whether opinions can be wrong. Trouble was, it was cut and pasted without attribution from an online source (linked) and I had read it previously. He appears to have now rethought, and deleted his post.
Jeff
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07-30-2015, 08:34 PM
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Rivet Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS
jcl,
Is that your opinion or did we read it somewhere in a three year old thread?
Bob
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You missed the best part. See above.
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07-30-2015, 10:23 PM
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Rivet Master
2011 28' International
Chatham
, Ontario
Join Date: Dec 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrjkq
No disrespect intended, but towing a 25 ft with a vehicle like that is dangerous, maybe not to you but to me. I see it on the Interstate & I shiver, small TV, small brakes, the tail waging the dog & it's in front of me. Can Am in London, Ontario loves to do the impossible with hitch/small TV set ups. I for one don't buy it & most on here don't either.
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Fifth season with this set up, no issues at all, safe and mechanically sound. An excellent tow platform that is a viable road car when not towing - I'm with Garfield on this one.
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07-31-2015, 12:05 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 34' International
Toronto
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
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I'm in Europe right now, Denmark and Northern Germany, and I have been ever so tempted to take pictures of some of the tow combinations here. I've yet to see a single truck, even with the largest trailers. Yet, perhaps miraculously, the highway isn't littered with wrecks.
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07-31-2015, 04:19 AM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
, Malebolgia
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 20,000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jcl
You missed the best part. See above.
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Sorry.....there is no best part of this inane discussion.
Bob
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07-31-2015, 05:22 AM
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Rivet Master
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tjdonahoe
Why go to all the trouble ? When you can purchase a suitable tow vehicle that has been engineered to do the job.
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Sure it would be great to tow with a BMW X5 twin turbo diesel or a Mercedes Blutec but not everyone can afford a top rated TV. I think there is enough evidence that Garfield's Traverse is no doubt one of the better rated alternatives.
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Airstreams..... The best towing trailers on the planet!
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07-31-2015, 01:52 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 31' Classic
Garner,
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nice looking rig for sure.. I think the Sienna, especially the redish, is a cool TV pulling a Airstream which is cool RV so two cools makes it REAL cool..
What would be real nice getting the Shinny SS pillar and back window surround addon,
NOW we talking...
http://tinyurl.com/pfjxszo
Quote:
Originally Posted by MrUKToad
Fifth season with this set up, no issues at all, safe and mechanically sound. An excellent tow platform that is a viable road car when not towing - I'm with Garfield on this one.
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2-24-16 got a 2005 Classic 31D 460 watts solar, lithium 230 AH, 16" LT's, pulled by:
2003 F-250 SD, CC, 7.3L PowerStroke
WBCCI#1691, Piedmont Airstream Club, Unit #161, Region #3
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07-31-2015, 02:02 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 31' Classic
Garner,
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SO take some already.. we or at least I would love to see them.. I know the trailers axles are more centered but still be cool to see the different combos..
A lot of guys only know one way to, or in their mind, tow a TT. Like someone else said and I can verify as I have been to florida and back from NC twice this year, mar and july, and did not see ONE RV trailer wreck or for that matter only saw one TT on side of road with flat/blown out tire. I bet you see more pickups in TT related wrecks than the Sienna, Traverse etc TV nation wide.
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Originally Posted by andreasduess
I'm in Europe right now, Denmark and Northern Germany, and I have been ever so tempted to take pictures of some of the tow combinations here. I've yet to see a single truck, even with the largest trailers. Yet, perhaps miraculously, the highway isn't littered with wrecks.
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2-24-16 got a 2005 Classic 31D 460 watts solar, lithium 230 AH, 16" LT's, pulled by:
2003 F-250 SD, CC, 7.3L PowerStroke
WBCCI#1691, Piedmont Airstream Club, Unit #161, Region #3
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07-31-2015, 02:27 PM
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by carl2591
... I bet you see more pickups in TT related wrecks than the Sienna, Traverse etc TV nation wide.
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Someone in another thread said CanAm has setup 3000 minivans over the years. To make the math simple, lets assume they have setup 3000 minivans in 30 years. That would be 100 minivans per year, and 8.33 minivans per month. Lets make it 10 minivans per month even. I am assuming all these minivans are towing beyond their manufacturer capacity (as towing under 3500# does not require a "setup").
Ford sells 70,000 F150 per month. GM roughly sells about the same number of Silverado/Sierra pickups. Lets say Ram, Toyota, and Nissan sell another 60,000. That would be 70,000 + 70,000 + 60,000 = 200,000.
200,000 pickups vs 10 minivans per month. The reason you see many truck accidents and not any minivans accidents are the numbers above. The number of minivan tow vehicles (hence the chance of them being in an accident) is statistically 0.
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07-31-2015, 02:51 PM
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#35
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Rivet Master
2011 28' International
Chatham
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rostam
Someone in another thread said CanAm has setup 3000 minivans over the years. To make the math simple, lets assume they have setup 3000 minivans in 30 years. That would be 100 minivans per year, and 8.33 minivans per month. Lets make it 10 minivans per month even. I am assuming all these minivans are towing beyond their manufacturer capacity (as towing under 3500# does not require a "setup").
Ford sells 70,000 F150 per month. GM roughly sells about the same number of Silverado/Sierra pickups. Lets say Ram, Toyota, and Nissan sell another 60,000. That would be 70,000 + 70,000 + 60,000 = 200,000.
200,000 pickups vs 10 minivans per month. The reason you see many truck accidents and not any minivans accidents are the numbers above. The number of minivan tow vehicles (hence the chance of them being in an accident) is statistically 0.
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...and yet we're consistently told that we'll all be rubber side up in no time.
Yes, I know, there's lies, damned lies and statistics.
It should be noted that I only ever enter into these discussions when someone tells us it that it can't or shouldn't be done; I'm putting the other side of the debate out there and backing it with some actual use experience. Truck advocates don't have to like what I and the other small TV users are doing but they are in no position to tell us that we can't or shouldn't be doing it without having some facts to back their claims.
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07-31-2015, 02:55 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
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I haven't seen any minivans pulling tandem axle trailers in Montana that I can recall. I wonder what chevrolet would say if a warranty issue came up while towing an airstream?
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07-31-2015, 06:34 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Bozman
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Join Date: Jul 2014
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@tjdinohoe
I was thinking the same thing, since he's running over the GCVR of the vehicle. Transmissions are not cheap, and I doubt that running that GM engine over 4000 rpm for sustained periods is too good for it. The lamdas have not been paragons of reliability. That said, there's a world of difference between someone who uses the trailer some weekends and perhaps an annual vacation in central and eastern Canada and someone who is a quasi full-timer headed through the Rockies.
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07-31-2015, 07:35 PM
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#38
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4 Rivet Member
2001 25' Safari
London
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 299
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DC Bruce
@tjdinohoe
I was thinking the same thing, since he's running over the GCVR of the vehicle. Transmissions are not cheap, and I doubt that running that GM engine over 4000 rpm for sustained periods is too good for it.
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In an attempt to keep things factually correct (after all, this is my thread ) when highway cruising at 105 kph (65 mph), my Traverse stays in 5th gear at 2300 rpm 95% of the time and only drops down to 4th on hills, when passing or occasionally when driving into strong headwinds. In the three years I've been towing the transmission temperature has never, ever exceeded 190 degrees F, and it only went over 180 once during stop and go heavy highway traffic.
My setup is so stable that virtually no steering input is required travelling at speed on the highway when being passed by semis, buses or class A's. There are very few truck based rigs that can make that claim due to the instability caused by the trucks larger sail area.
Oh yeah, my Traverse also gets better mileage that a (gas) truck too.
Things are not always what they may seem at first glance.
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2001 Safari 25 SS
2011 Chevy Traverse 3.6L AWD • Hensley • DirecLink • McKesh
Set-up by Can-Am RV
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07-31-2015, 11:28 PM
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Rivet Master
1984 34' International
Toronto
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
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As far as warranties are concerned, I checked with my dealer who told me that there were zero issues with my warrantee.
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08-01-2015, 06:27 AM
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andreasduess
As far as warranties are concerned, I checked with my dealer who told me that there were zero issues with my warrantee.
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Andy, please correct me if I'm wrong. I believe you have a 2008 Odyssey and you modified it in 2013. Honda's warranty is 5 years/60k miles (which ever comes first). Did you even have any warranty when you checked with your dealer?
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