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Old 05-20-2019, 11:44 AM   #41
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U-Hauls are cargo trailers. It's easy to back-end load them. Airstreams are travel trailers and they are very difficult to back end load unless you load them to the ceiling with cargo. At least the newer Airstreams. I have seen some older ones that don't look very well balanced.

Many newer tow vehicles have ESC, electronic stability control. The ESC senses a sway condition and applies the brakes on the appropriate side of the vehicle and cuts the throttle until the speed drops below the critical speed. Then you should stop and re-arrange your cargo.
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Old 05-20-2019, 11:51 AM   #42
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Do not assume Uhaul is expert at hitch install. Personally verify all work. We have an excellent local Uhaul. They corrected a flawed install done by another Uhaul shop.

Likely appropriate advice for all towing installations. Pat
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:35 PM   #43
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interesting comments from U-Haul

Yup. Last trailer rental from UHaul was hooked up by a kid with little training. I double-checked his work to make sure it was right and tight. Hitch was not fully locked. But hey, not bad for a guy trained as an EMT.

IMHO, unless you did all the work yourself, double check before you head out. You are the one that has “skin in the game” when it comes to towing...and if you did do all the work yourself, double check anyway. Keeps DW from yelling at you when something goes wrong.
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Old 05-26-2019, 09:33 AM   #44
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Well, the surge brakes on a U-Haul cannot be used with WD hitch as that hitch would interfere with the operation of the surge brakes. The weight of the U-haul trailer pushes on a piston in the tongue that pushes hydraulic oil to the U-haul trailer brakes. The amount of force applied to the brake is proportional to the amount of braking being done by the TV.
Many U-haul trailers, the smaller ones, do not have brakes, so this would not be a factor in that case.
Since the small UH trailers have just one arm, not the triangle shaped two or three coming from the trailer box then there is no where to attach a WD hitch anyway.
For the small non-brake UH trailers there is nothing special as far as being a trailer. It has a hitch and two wheels. Putting a WD hitch, if possible, is no different than putting on any trailer (again, without the hydro brakes).
Electric brakes are different as they actuate at the brake drum, not the tongue, so this is two completely different topics.
UH trailers usually have the axle(s) pretty far back, so it is hard to load them wrong, but I have done it as a youth and gotten bad sway. We put heavy things at the back door, and had light things at the front. Lesson learned pretty quick…

Im curious, why this post?
What on earth does it have to do with A.S.?
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Old 05-26-2019, 09:57 AM   #45
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I was at a busy Uhual Depot recently and I asked manager how often he checked tire pressure. “Once a month”. Then I asked how often he checked the lug nuts. “ Never”.
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Old 05-26-2019, 10:44 AM   #46
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Im curious, why this post?
What on earth does it have to do with A.S.?
It has to do with trailer stability, applicable to both U-Hauls and Airstreams. U-Haul's opinion that the bigger the tow vehicle the better can also be applied to Airstreams.
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Old 05-26-2019, 11:12 AM   #47
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Just towed a 5 x 8’ u-haul trailer 240 miles. No brakes or sway controls included. Without incident.
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I’m curious, why this post?
What on earth does it have to do with A.S.?
The original poster has argued repeatedly that WD and sway control are not required when he tows his Airstreams. He was trying to equate towing a U Haul with towing an Airstream, and referenced the head of engineering at U Haul as an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. He was given many reasons why his argument is fallacious. He persists.
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Old 05-26-2019, 11:41 AM   #49
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Another opinion on towing stability.
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Old 05-26-2019, 11:44 AM   #50
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The original poster has argued repeatedly that WD and sway control are not required when he tows his Airstreams. He was trying to equate towing a U Haul with towing an Airstream, and referenced the head of engineering at U Haul as an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. He was given many reasons why his argument is fallacious. He persists.
Do you know I have not received one valid reason why I need a weight distribution hitch when I have a perfect weight distribution without one?
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Do you know I have not received one valid reason why I need a weight distribution hitch when I have a perfect weight distribution without one?
Yes you have. Yet you persist.

It is obvious that you aren’t going to follow the recommendations of your tow vehicle manufacturer, your trailer manufacturer, or the many posters who have advised you. That is fine, but you persist in encouraging others to join you in your folly.
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Old 05-26-2019, 12:38 PM   #52
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The original poster has argued repeatedly that WD and sway control are not required when he tows his Airstreams. He was trying to equate towing a U Haul with towing an Airstream, and referenced the head of engineering at U Haul as an appeal to authority, a logical fallacy. He was given many reasons why his argument is fallacious. He persists.
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Yes you have. Yet you persist.

It is obvious that you aren’t going to follow the recommendations of your tow vehicle manufacturer, your trailer manufacturer, or the many posters who have advised you. That is fine, but you persist in encouraging others to join you in your folly.
You probably don't realize it but you are encouraging unsafe trailering by telling people that all they have to do is get themselves a good hitch and they'll be good. And you don't even know how to set up the hitch for proper weight distribution.
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...... all they have to do is get themselves a good hitch and they'll be good.
And you don't even know how to set up the hitch for proper weight distribution.
And the post where that is mentioned is where?
Did you watch him set up his hitch?

All YOU have to do is...stop your inane comments.

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Old 05-26-2019, 02:40 PM   #54
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And the post where that is mentioned is where?
Did you watch him set up his hitch?

All YOU have to do is...stop your inane comments.

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No, I didn't watch him. I don't think he has a trailer or a hitch. He probably has an undersized tow vehicle, though.

So, as long as you are here criticizing my comments as being insane, how do you set up your hitch? Are you like him in that you would overload the front of the tow vehicle?
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Old 05-26-2019, 03:54 PM   #55
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No, I didn't watch him. I don't think he has a trailer or a hitch. He probably has an undersized tow vehicle, though.

So, as long as you are here criticizing my comments as being insane, how do you set up your hitch? Are you like him in that you would overload the front of the tow vehicle?
Okay. We get it. Get a huge tow vehicle, load the trailer right, tow on the ball, and WD and sway control are a fraud and a waste of money. Enough! We are tired of you.
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Okay. We get it. Get a huge tow vehicle, load the trailer right, tow on the ball, and WD and sway control are a fraud and a waste of money.
Yup. You finally got it right. Have a safe trip.
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OOS - You have contradicted yourself. The diagram you included shows that a bigger vehicle is not required for stability. A TV with weight 1:1 with the trailer and a 15% tongue weight is in the same "Ideal Combined Vehicle Stability Range" as a TV that weighs twice the trailer.

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Old 05-26-2019, 04:22 PM   #58
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OOS - You have contradicted yourself. The diagram you included shows that a bigger vehicle is not required for stability. A TV with weight 1:1 with the trailer and a 15% tongue weight is in the same "Ideal Combined Vehicle Stability Range" as a TV that weighs twice the trailer.
That's not a contradiction. Think about it.
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Towing/Hitch Help

Boy, you all are really getting into it. I started reading this thread in the hope of getting some much needed advise on hitches, sway bars and towing. I am purchasing a 1988 34 ft Excella 1000 in Melbourne FL and plan to tow it 250 miles back to Naples FL this Thursday morning. We will be using a F 350 Diesel Truck for the job. This will be my first Airstream. The couple I'm buying the trailer from told me that they have sway bars that will go with the trailer purchase. This AS has 6 new tires and repacked wheel bearings. It is my understanding that the couple have never towed this AS anywhere before. They have been in it for 11 years I believe. Could you all point me in the right direction to a link that may help us out? This link has been interesting but as a extreme newbie, what I'm getting is that you had better have your weight distribution correct, and WD/Sway bars just help if you started with correct weight distribution to begin with. I don't even know how to have the correct WD! My AS will be dry and empty, except with what it comes with. Sorry for my ignorance. I just want to get us and my new beauty home safely!
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That's not a contradiction. Think about it.
You stated bigger is better, but the chart contradicts that assertion.
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