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Old 08-31-2015, 08:33 AM   #61
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You might want to try out a Dodge, the hemi has been doing pretty good..
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Old 08-31-2015, 09:57 AM   #62
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For some reason the Yukon XL Denali has a 3.23 ratio - b/c of the larger tires perhaps? They are 22" tires
The 6.2L in the Denali comes with the 3.23 ratio standard with no other options. I guess the 6.2L probably needs the taller gear for improved fuel economy.
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A couple of points: the Chevy LTZ is equivalent to the GMC SLT in trim, etc. Neither the Denali nor the equivalent Chevy (High Country) is available with the max tow package, which gives you a 3:42 rear axle with the 6.2 engine and 8-speed. You have to get an LTZ or SLT to get that option, which is a physically different rear axle with a larger ring gear in the differential. My experience was that this package was very hard to find and impossible to order. That said, I'm not sure it's required for a 25-footer. I'm using the 6.2/max tow package in a pickup to pull a 27-footer and I'm very pleased with it. Phenomenal fuel economy-up to 24 mpg on the highway at 60-65 and plenty of power for towing.
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I have been told that the F150 has a max payload of 3300 lbs. Now for the deductions:

Engine -800
4x4 -300
other options -500
Fiberglass cap -125
bed liner - 50
Fuel 36 gal - 250
Passengers - 400 for 2
misc stuff in cab - 50
tongue weight - 900 fully loaded
Hitch - 75

Total: 3450 Sorry the F150 is slightly overloaded. I know I have the F150 SLT and can certainly tell when I am pulling the 27 Classic that the F150 is sagging in the rear and the engine is working full time. I don't feel the least bit uncomfortable but when I put the truck on the scales with it loaded with all of the stuff that I take with us ( I know way too much) but we are gone for months at a time. The Truck weighs 7700 lbs without trailer tongue weight. The F150 is doing the job but at what cost in life.

Just to let everyone know the sticker load is for an empty dry truck. No fuel, no passengers, no driver no stuff.

My next truck will have to be the F250. The Specs of the F150 are just too marginal for me and with the lighter trick and smaller engine the risk is just too great for me.

Please let me know if there is any advertising that contradicts the 3300 lbs and that it is for the smallest truck with the smallest engine with every option being deducted from the 3300 to get the sticker max load on the door. That is why they are all different. Even the radio choice effects that sticker weight.

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I have been told that the F150 has a max payload of 3300 lbs. Now for the deductions:

Engine -800
4x4 -300
other options -500
Fiberglass cap -125
bed liner - 50
Fuel 36 gal - 250
Passengers - 400 for 2
misc stuff in cab - 50
tongue weight - 900 fully loaded
Hitch - 75
gr. austin, why are you deducting for engine, 4x4, and fuel? Those are removed from payload prior to the rating. I do not question your need, just the figuring. You would lose about 400# (guessing) from your current truck weighing in at 7700#. The most payload I saw on the lot (2300) was an XLT and several at around 2100# payload. Tongue, hitch, misc, passengers, bedliner ?, cap and you are looking at 1600# with around 700 left over. Those other things- options, engine, 4x4, fuel are already in the mix prior to payload sticker.
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I think he is counting those because he started with max payload. Either way, i think he should not be counting fuel. The door sticker says passengers and cargo. Examples in my manuals have not deducted for fuel.

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I think he is counting those because he started with max payload. Either way, i think he should not be counting fuel. The door sticker says passengers and cargo. Examples in my manuals have not deducted for fuel.

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Yeah, I saw that. I guess but I am not sure 3300# is a constant either. I was amazed at how they vary from truck to truck the day the sales guy and I went around the lot for what seemed forever opening doors, etc. looking for a truck and payload. I did not open all 135 trucks on the lot but quite a few.

I can't wait to tow. I am just getting 1000 miles on the truck so I can try it out. I just threw out my order sheets that they gave me in June. If I recall, the Lariat was the highest trim level you can add the payload pkg on but it was not available for order on that model until July then was available. Odd but the sales guy wrote a note for me on that. I guess now it does not matter. BTW, to me, the Lariat is a fancy truck at least compared to what I had before. From my own conclusion, it seems that the XLT is the workhorse truck and the Lariat its luxury workhorse brother. What we found on the lot kinda confirmed that with payload on the King Ranch and Platinum. Jason and I were looking at every trim model from XLT up looking for a payload and also a particular truck we could not find. I also found out that my truck in an exact setup with different wheels/tires adds 200# payload. Every feature it seems makes a difference. Looking at the door sticker is CRITICAL!
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My primary reason for wanting to stay with a 1/2 ton for now is more about our daily lifestyle. We live right IN Dallas and parking is already a beast in our Tahoe half the time. We need something that can be a daily driver around town, pull our Airstream, and also carry us, two large Labradors, and our stuff :-) We own a business and work together so many days we are in just one car, and while I now drive a small SUV I suspect that if we have a brand new truck or SUV it'll be the shiny new toy and we'll want to drive it everyday! So we do need to not get ourselves trapped in small parking garages if possible.

I'm glad to hear there are several folks successfully and happily pulling 27-28' trailers with the new F150. We'll probably realistically have our trailer out 15-20 times/year or so for the next several years. Primarily in TX, AR, OK, etc but we may get up to CO sometimes too (we hope!).

If we are back to ~1700 payloads on 1/2 truck then the Suburban becomes tempting again. We've always had SUV's and do love the interior space they offer.

We do need to test drive the GMC/Chevy 2500, but for now we really love the new F150 on the truck side or the Suburban/Yukon XL on the SUV side.

Decisions.............
Hey guys! You might recall I own that Chevy 2500, and it's a towing beast! It has no idea that trailer is back there... but two things I hate about it....... After a long drive, you need a visit to the chiropractor. That frame is stiff and it beats me to heck and back. Second, gas mileage sucks, always.

I've been thinking about getting a ford ecoboost, but not for towing the trailer, but towing the boat and using it as a more back friendly daily driver.

Were I in your shoes.... I would look at the Ram real hard in a 2500, and for all that parking garage business I would have myself a used mini cooper, a used fiat, or a used smart car - under 15k, pay cash
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Hey guys! You might recall I own that Chevy 2500, and it's a towing beast! It has no idea that trailer is back there... but two things I hate about it....... After a long drive, you need a visit to the chiropractor. That frame is stiff and it beats me to heck and back. Second, gas mileage sucks, always.
What year and trim is your truck? We find the 2015 3/4 ton Silverados and Sierras to be exceptionally comfortable and well-appointed trucks. No back pain or discomfort whatsoever after a long day on the road.

And the mileage is superb; we get about 19-20 mpg in general driving around and about 14 mpg towing the 30' Serenity, truck and trailer all loaded up. I'm thrilled with the mileage! Tonneau cover probably helps a bit - they say it can reduce fuel consumption by 10%, which is significant.

Ours is a 2015 GMC Sierra Denali HD with Duramax/Allison. Could not be happier with that choice, but I'm sure I would feel the same way about a 2015 Silverado 2500 LTZ or Sierra 2500 SLT with Duramax/Allison.
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What year and trim is your truck? We find the 2015 3/4 ton Silverados and Sierras to be exceptionally comfortable and well-appointed trucks. No back pain or discomfort whatsoever after a long day on the road.

And the mileage is superb; we get about 19-20 mpg in general driving around and about 14 mpg towing the 30' Serenity, truck and trailer all loaded up. I'm thrilled with the mileage! Tonneau cover probably helps a bit - they say it can reduce fuel consumption by 10%, which is significant.

Ours is a 2015 GMC Sierra Denali HD with Duramax/Allison. Could not be happier with that choice, but I'm sure I would feel the same way about a 2015 Silverado 2500 LTZ or Sierra 2500 SLT with Duramax/Allison.
Just a plain jane 2012 gas 6.0L 2500 HD LT. I get 12 or 13 mpg not towing, and 8 towing... it's horrible...
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Trucks are personal choices, as much as choosing a spouse me thinks.

For me, I am presently writing from Winnemucca following an enjoyable traverse of the Sierra's in the 2015 F150 3.5 Ecoboost. We have the 27' Airstream fully loaded for our adventure across America and can only state that it is really a joy to drive, especially running up through the Mountains. I have nothing but good things to say about this rig, and no regrets at all for not "up-grading" to a 250 Diesel.

Once in Nevada, my spouse was driving us along at 70+, the speed limit is 75 and the big rigs motor along at that rate, but I cautioned her to limit us to 65. 563 miles so far, and averaging 11.1 mpg. This is way, way better than ever achieved in our Dodge 3500 Ram Van.

By the way, before fully loading for the trip I weighed the truck & trailer in at 12,180 lbs. and may go to another CAT Scale, but really don't believe it's necessary.
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Just a plain jane 2012 gas 6.0L 2500 HD LT. I get 12 or 13 mpg not towing, and 8 towing... it's horrible...
Plasma800... I very much understand your displeasure with those numbers.

Good news is, if you want to do so, the new Chevys and GMCs are fantastic; wonderfully comfortable. And mileage with the 3/4 ton truck with Duramax is simply amazing. We are loving the choice. Around 20 mpg for general driving and around 14 mpg while towing the 30' Serenity, fully loaded. Diesel fuel is around the same price as gas. We're enjoying the towing mpg very much, as our previous RV (44' diesel pusher) got around 7 mpg.
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Um, "around" 20 mpg general driving and "around" 14 mpg towing an Airstream is not amazing.
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It appears that the biggest Eco-Boost has 365 hp and 420 ft. lbs of torque.

Yes, we travel routinely in the Rockies, Sierra Nevada, and mountains of Arizona. The Duramax (397 hp/765 ft. lbs. torque) engine compression is incredibly powerful descending steep grades... it holds back the fully loaded 30' International like it wasn't even behind us.
//TANGENT TANGENT TANGENT

I have a ODB connector port and the associated IOS/Android apps to track and record all my engine variables. I am heading up to Skyline Drive / Loft Mountain this week -- I ought to do a timed capture of data while towing to show, if possible, the graphs on variables in tandem... it's a bit more auto-geek than airstream, but ought give some fodder for the discussion....
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I don't get 20 mpg empty and 14 towing.
I get 15 empty and at best 13 towing. 12 is a good average.
I will not buy a $65,000 truck to get 5 more mpg empty or 2 more mpg towing.
How much gas can I buy for $65,000?
How much gas can I buy for $46,000 after trading and getting $19,000 trade for my truck?


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Styling is neither here nor there, but...
If I am buying a truck today I would prefer a 2014 redesign of a Tundra, Silverado/Sierra or a 2015 F150 over the 2009 body style of the Ram, the 2004 body style of the Titan, or the 1999 styling of the F250/F350.
I bet a redesign of the F250/F350 is just around the corner. Maybe it will attractive/nice looking. The 2016 Titan styling is just hideous. Nissan ain't really got a dog in that hunt anyhoo.


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