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05-08-2021, 01:17 PM
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1 Rivet Member
1984 31' Excella
Montara
, CA
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 11
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How level does it have to be for towing?
I bought an F350 4x4 crew cab long bed that used to haul a big 5th wheel. It tows my '84 Airstream 31' very well. I am not sure of the WD hitch manufacturer. Here is a photo of it. I adjusted the hitch to the lowest setting but noticed the trailer is still not looking level from front to back (front is higher by about 5" over the length of the trailer. Is this too much? If it is, would you recommend modifying or getting a new hitch or modifying the rear TV suspension to lower it?
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05-08-2021, 02:32 PM
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2 Rivet Member
2021 23' Globetrotter
Northern
, Illinois
Join Date: Nov 2020
Posts: 91
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coastsider
I bought an F350 4x4 crew cab long bed that used to haul a big 5th wheel. It tows my '84 Airstream 31' very well. I am not sure of the WD hitch manufacturer. Here is a photo of it. I adjusted the hitch to the lowest setting but noticed the trailer is still not looking level from front to back (front is higher by about 5" over the length of the trailer. Is this too much? If it is, would you recommend modifying or getting a new hitch or modifying the rear TV suspension to lower it?
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Wow, that hitch is old. I think it might be a Reese, but I can’t tell for sure. In any event, no need for heroics as far as modifying the suspension or the hitch. What you need is a new shank that has a bigger drop—something in the 12” range. Best place to get shanks is online at eTrailer. Probably any manufacturer’s shank will work provided it has sufficient drop. But if you want to be extra careful, send a picture of your hitch to eTrailer. They might be able to identify it for you and recommend a new shank. But as I said, that thing is old. You might be better off with a whole new hitch. I’ve never been a fan of friction bars because you have to remember to remove them before you back up.
5” is a bit too much tilt for my comfort. You should drop the nose of your trailer a little and get it as level as you can. Weight is coming off of your trailer’s front axle. A shank with a larger drop will allow you to make that adjustment.
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05-08-2021, 03:53 PM
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Rivet Master
1994 34' Excella
Warren
, Manitoba
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,253
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I would go to good RV dealer or hitch store, get a new hitch with the proper drop height and have it set up correctly. That hitch looks like it has "vintage or antique" status. Time for a new one!! A Reese or comparable can be purchased quite reasonably. If your trailer rear end is down 5 inches, you are quite likely going to drag it if you have much of an incline to back into a driveway or campsite.
Trailer should be level as possible.
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2012 GMC 2500 HD Duramax Denali
1994 Excella 34'
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05-08-2021, 04:01 PM
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Rivet Master
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 900
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I believe what you need is not a total hitch make over but a new ball mount “drop”so the top of the ball is at 18 3/4 inches above the ground. The rest loojs good.
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‘62 Overlander 26 ft. ATW Yeager trailer #5289
"62 Airstream 22ft. ATW Hall trailer #83,’90 SQ Sream, ‘06 Bambi Q/S, Prevost Featherlite 45ft, GMC/ Bigfoot camper
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05-08-2021, 04:23 PM
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Rivet Master
2000 25' Safari
Davidson County
, NC Highlands County, FL
Join Date: Aug 2006
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That looks like a Reese Dual Cam Hitch. (the old style)
The part you need is a #3357 Reese WD Shank with a 9" drop.
https://www.reeseprod.com/product/33...ributing-shank
The reason you need this is - with the trailer out of level, one of the axles is carrying more weight than it should. With the tongue 5" high, the rear axle might be overloaded constantly. It definitely is overloaded any time the truck moves upward when it goes over a bump, which will shift more weight onto that rear axle.
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2014 Silverado LTZ 1500 Crew Cab 5.3L maximum trailering package
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05-08-2021, 04:29 PM
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Rivet Master
2000 25' Safari
Davidson County
, NC Highlands County, FL
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,493
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a video about the old style dual cam
https://youtu.be/5EsNbmgyIeI?t=95
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2014 Silverado LTZ 1500 Crew Cab 5.3L maximum trailering package
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05-08-2021, 04:43 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
, Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,577
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Level....1” down in front...
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05-08-2021, 06:42 PM
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Site Team
2017 30' International
Broomfield
, Colorado
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,555
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Yes 5” is too much. I am within 1/2” front to back on my 30. Always nose down within 0-1” delta per the previous post.
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05-08-2021, 08:10 PM
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1 Rivet Member
1984 31' Excella
Montara
, CA
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 11
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Thank you for the advice. Yes it's old...it's original. Got the rig in '94 and didn't travel with it but used it lots as a 2nd home to build custom houses way out there where you still can. Now after an interior remodel have started moving it around so need to get smart about safety & upgrades.
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05-08-2021, 08:15 PM
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1 Rivet Member
1984 31' Excella
Montara
, CA
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 11
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That video is classic. I bought this rig in '94 from a past WBCCI pres and he showed me how to use this "old stuff" as someone else commented. I intend to buy that 9-12" shank so I can use what it came with. I should post a you-tube vid showing how you use the old Reese WD hitch system.
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05-09-2021, 07:38 AM
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Rivet Master
1987 25' Sovereign
Fort Collins
, Colorado
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 582
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I don’t think it’s a dual cam. But — why is the tongue jack upside down?
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05-09-2021, 10:41 AM
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Ready-to-Travel
2012 30' International
Walkerton
, Virginia
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 3,168
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It is an old-style dual cam. If you ever need parts, I've got one in my shed.
Pat
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05-09-2021, 12:35 PM
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1 Rivet Member
1984 31' Excella
Montara
, CA
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan and Liz
I don’t think it’s a dual cam. But — why is the tongue jack upside down?
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That's just the jack sleeve post. I put it there when I travel.
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05-10-2021, 09:25 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1977 31' Sovereign
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Bartlett
, TN
Join Date: Oct 2020
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Quote:
Originally Posted by coastsider
I bought an F350 4x4 crew cab long bed that used to haul a big 5th wheel. It tows my '84 Airstream 31' very well. I am not sure of the WD hitch manufacturer. Here is a photo of it. I adjusted the hitch to the lowest setting but noticed the trailer is still not looking level from front to back (front is higher by about 5" over the length of the trailer. Is this too much? If it is, would you recommend modifying or getting a new hitch or modifying the rear TV suspension to lower it?
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I had to get a different shank recently and priced online etrailer, Amazon and Home Depot and was surprised to find Home Depot priced lower. About $85 for an 8" drop.
As mentioned in an earlier post, the top of the ball should be 18 3/4' high, but allow for your F-350 to squat about 1 1/2" when the WD hitch is properly adjusted. Nose high towing unloads the front axel and can overload the rear axel. It also adds aerodynamic resistance increasing fuel consumption.
Good luck!
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05-10-2021, 09:54 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 25' International
West Lake Hills
, Texas
Join Date: Dec 2020
Posts: 1,644
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Measure the distance from the frame to ground at the front and at the back, assuming the frame is straight like my 2017 AS. Don’t rely on a level or eyeballing it.
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05-10-2021, 10:24 AM
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4 Rivet Member
Little falls
, New York
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 457
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Neat. The old Reese stuff works fine. Don’t have to burn your money on the new stuff.
Have an old Reese setup that’s decades old. Works great.
Just like wasting your money on Michelin’s.
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05-10-2021, 12:10 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1963 28' Ambassador
Lyme
, Connecticut
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 99
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I agree with all the above and I’m still using an older Reese setup. I did buy newer 600lb bars as needed for my 63 Ambassador setup, not sure why yours has the friction sway bar attachment because the Reese setup takes care of sway and weight for me.
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05-10-2021, 12:52 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 23' FB International
Woodstock
, Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 1,428
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As others have noted level is best and 1" is acceptable. You need to understand that when the trailer is not level you put more weight on one of the axles (the wheels on the lower end). That means that one set of tires is possibly running way over the capacity rating. 5 inches could be the same as running the front (or back) wheels up on a 2 inch plank. That much drop if you loaded the trailer to do cause the suspension to drop 2 inches would be a serious overload (IMO)
JCW
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05-10-2021, 01:07 PM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,108
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IMHI, stay within +/- 1" for best results.
anymore and your are asking for trouble
go to a reputable RV dealer and talk to them
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05-10-2021, 10:35 PM
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:SPACE A" S/O 11 Air19745
2006 34' Classic S/O
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,766
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The old "rule of thumb" for setting hitches is to allow for one inch of drop when the hitch is adjusted level. Before connecting, the ball should be one inch higher than the top of the inside of the coupler.
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