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Old 01-05-2015, 04:12 AM   #101
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Might as well save your dime and just go buy another Eazilift because that's all he ever recommends.
Someone who has experienced every different piece of connection device, over and over, in every configuration imaginable, in all possible driving conditions probably suggests a certain particular brand for a very good reason.
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Someone who has experienced every different piece of connection device, over and over, in every configuration imaginable, in all possible driving conditions probably suggests a certain particular brand for a very good reason.
Yea, I'm sure, and that reason might be that's the hitch that he stocks and therefore sells the most of.
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Towing a 25 foot AS with a BMW X5

I would recommend you check with your vehicle insurance company regarding the changing of the hitch and exceeding the vehicle builders specifications for towing and weight capacity..

as long as nothing happens all is fine. having that said if you become involved in an accident and a sharp personal injury lawyer researchs the towing and weight capacity and the advertised weight of the AS and your X5 you could open yourself for possible increased personal direct liability which if your insurance company is not aware of your hitch modification.

all the hitch restrictions are easily found on the WEB..

Be safe

Personal 2 cents I wouldn't tow a 25 foot with a X5
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Earl, that is a completely irrational comment. Just try to substantiate it with an actual case. Virtually all of us have made modifications to our trucks and/or trailers to improve their performance and safety. I've removed the dealer's w.d hitch and put on one of my own, changed the Airstream tire size. Many trucks come with inadequate hitch assembly's and folks go to Reese or others to get stronger hitches. And many have their factory hitches reinforced.

That example has been used here so many times, usually as a "scare" strategy to try to win an argument.
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Dkottum,

regarding your comment "Earl, that is a completely Irrational comment"

I am in the heavy duty towing business with 35 years experience and I stand by my comment. We clean up a good number of accidents from over loaded vehicles including tractors and trailer keep in mind it only takes 10% of the load weight to overcome rolling resistance. Stopping is a differnet story. I have no skin in the game I still recommend a review of the original posters comments with his insurance company.

the fact remains legal tow capacities can not be changed by other than the vehicle Manufacturer. So encouraging folks to disregard the MFGer's spec is very irrational from my point of view.
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What makes a tow rating a legal capacity for a non-commercial application? GVWR, axle ratings, tire ratings, yes. But a tow rating?
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Earl, there are so many points of view and plenty of experience to draw on. Cleaning up wrecks is one of them. Specializing in hitch reinforcement for a safer and better performing tow vehicle is another.

That's why the argument never ends.

The insurance argument has not held water when asked to be substantiated. We've already discussed the busload of orphans and the braking. The performance capability of vehicles is routinely modified, that doesn't mean it's illegal or recommended or uninsurable. But when it's done to improve safety as well as performance, it's well worth considering.
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Regarding the hitch reinforcement, I told my dealer that I plan to reinforce my hitch (I don't plan to do this, and just wanted to see their reaction). They told me they would have me sign a paper that certain aspects of my warranty is voided and if I do not sign the paper they would refuse to service my vehicle. I understand, others may have a different experience, but think its a good idea to check with your dealer, if your vehicle is still under warranty.
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Oh boy, check with insurance company, check with dealership guy. Do you fellows call them when you decide to drive five miles over the speed limit or roll through a stop sign. Either of these could result in devastating injury to you and others, and unlike strengthening your hitch, it's actually illegal.
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Our dealership for our Volvo where extremely impressed with the reinforced hitch put on our vehicle by CanAm. They certainly had no issues with what had been done.


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Regarding the hitch reinforcement, I told my dealer that I plan to reinforce my hitch (I don't plan to do this, and just wanted to see their reaction). They told me they would have me sign a paper that certain aspects of my warranty is voided and if I do not sign the paper they would refuse to service my vehicle. I understand, others may have a different experience, but think its a good idea to check with your dealer, if your vehicle is still under warranty.
Interesting approach. Did the dealer suggest to you that (a) they would not fully warrant the hitch they sold you after you modified it (understandable) or that (b) they would take the opportunity that you modified your vehicle to change the terms of the original manufacturer's warranty and reduce coverage for other items not impacted by the hitch reinforcement? If (a), then that makes sense, at least to me. If (b), then you shouldn't accept such practices. Quote the Magnusson-Moss Act to them and see what they say.

One potential impact of vehicle servicing after hitch reinforcement that should be considered is if the reinforcements reduce service accessibility and require the servicing dealer to take more time to repair or replace a component blocked by the reinforcement. The manufacturer won't typically reimburse the dealer for that type of additional work. We routinely charged customers for additional re and re work caused by their modifications (guards, reinforcements, etc). But if we ever declined to work on a vehicle covered under a warranty policy without cause, or tried to change the terms of an existing manufacturer's warranty policy, we would expect to hear from the manufacturer, or the customer's lawyer, or both.
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Our dealership for our Volvo where extremely impressed with the reinforced hitch put on our vehicle by CanAm. They certainly had no issues with what had been done.


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I understand that different dealerships in different countries operate differently. I still recommend, that if you have a warranty, run it by your dealer so there are no surprises.
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I also own a truck and trailer repair facility. as a service shop I would never modify any hitch that was installed by the Manufacturer especially to "beef it up" to handle more weight than the vehicle was built and designed for. to put this issue to bed if the X5 can move mountains why did BMW install a hitch that needed beefed up. Class five hitches are available????

A good question for BMW!!!

P/s will the rear tires and wheels be overloaded. take your new rig loaded and get each tire weighed individually and I would assume when the trailer is loaded the weight of the rear wheels may exceed the tire manufacturers specifications along with the wheel capacity. This is a large issue in the Class A motorhome market, more weight on the tire than the tire is built for.
I guess some of the posters here would build a 45 foot Prevost Motorhome on a single rear axle, would it work-yes, would it be safe NO.
Size does matter this is why over the road truck have wheels as big as 24.5

we can beat this horse all day and as I said in the beginning all is fine to something happens.

do me one favor if you have grandchildren don't haul them in the X5 when towing the loaded trailer.........

if the rational explained by previous posters carried weight why would trucking company buy tandem axle tractor and tandem axle trailers.

exceeding the tow vehicle combination gross vehicle weight has an operator looking for trouble.

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Just because you can tow it doesn't mean it is safe to tow.

Just a question when you had the hitch modified did the vendor that modified mark your invoice that the GVWR of the X5 was increased??? did he provide you with a written warrany on his modification or does his invoice disclaim any liability resulting from the modification of the hitch (beefing it up?

In closing please go to your BMW dealer after you weight your X5 and your loaded new trailer and ask him if it safe to tow the gross weight.

Tire rating, suspension rating and brake rating all go into the tow capacity!!!
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Tire rating, suspension rating and brake rating all go into the tow capacity!!!
Here we go again, but this time with grandchildren rather than orphans. Will somebody please think of the children.

If trucks can move mountains, why are there different towing options available for those?

Several pages ago we explained in some detail, using physics and everything, that the brake capabilities of the BMW not only match those of a heavy duty truck but most likely exceed it by quite a margin. Why? Because they have to, given the high top speed the BMW is capable of.

LT tires can carry more weight that any Airstream trailer in existance can possibly add to the tow vehicle. My tires are rated 2200lbs each, far more than I need to tow my trailer.

Independent suspension will outperform more primitive setups any time, any place. Nobody is suggesting to tow an 18 wheeler with this setup.

The service manager at my Honda dealership too was most impressed by the hitch setup performed by CanAm. "Quality workmanship" was his comment. When asked if strengthening the hitch would invalidate or adversely affect the vehicle's warranty he looked confused and answered that there was no reason why it should.
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EarlM, no one had a choice until about thirty years ago as to having a factory hitch receiver. Did you not know this, or did you leave it out? At best we had a factory schematic of how to construct a hitch receiver for that car or truck and about the only caveat was not to use the axle tubes to create said receiver.

"Ratings" themselves didn't come along until the mid-late 1960s and were easily as conservative as many of those today.

Did that mean those 1967 Chryslers fell apart? Or didn't last nearly 200k on the original engine plus a single trans rebuild? Where towing may have accounted for 30% or more of those miles? Desert, mountains and foreign countries?

Vacationers, private individuals, aren't working under the same motivations as your commercial customers. They aren't farmers or ranchers pushing the limits as you understand them. They are for the most part using well understood formulas for setting up a family vehicle for towing a travel trailer that in no way exerts the punishment of a heavy, high CG big square box. And not at all full time as the term applies in commercial applications.

The only time I've seen warranty questions arise is when a truck owner has so grossly overloaded his GN trailer that it bent the truck frame. And the servicing dealer told me that for the most part they work with the customer, even the stupid ones. These aren't RVers. I don't know of warranty work denied on hotshot trucks where GCWR and GVWR are both exceeded, almost daily. But not tire/wheel ratings. 300k of hard miles and lease roads no sane travel trailer owner would ever travel.

Put it in perspective.
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Here we go again, but this time with grandchildren rather than orphans. Will somebody please think of the children.

If trucks can move mountains, why are there different towing options available for those?

Several pages ago we explained in some detail that the brake capabilities of the BMW not only match those of a heavy duty truck but most likely exceed it by quite a margin. Why? Because they have to, given the high top speed the BMW is capable of.

LT tires can carry more than any Airstream weighs. My tires are rated 2200lbs each, far more than I need to tow my trailer.


The service manager at my Honda dealership too was most impressed by the hitch setup performed by CanAm. "Quality workmanship" was his comment.
the workman ship might be excellent but it may not be LEGAL ask your service manager to give you a written statement on the dealership letterhead that the modification complies with Honda Specifications.

Let the original poster gather facts and base a decision on facts not opinions on a forum..

For a fun comment- the difference between a bus load of orphans and a few grandchildren is the number of claimants in a wrongful death lawsuit..

if your philosophy is correct you would see all large AS trailers pulled with mid size SUV's.
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to put this issue to bed if the X5 can move mountains why did BMW install a hitch that needed beefed up. Class five hitches are available????

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Just a question when you had the hitch modified did the vendor that modified mark your invoice that the GVWR of the X5 was increased??? did he provide you with a written warrany on his modification or does his invoice disclaim any liability resulting from the modification of the hitch (beefing it up?
Excellent points worth pondering
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the workman ship might be excellent but it may not be LEGAL ask your service manager to give you a written statement on the dealership letterhead that the modification complies with Honda Specifications.

Let the original poster gather facts and base a decision on facts not opinions on a forum..

For a fun comment- the difference between a bus load of orphans and a few grandchildren is the number of claimants in a wrongful death lawsuit..

if your philosophy is correct you would see all large AS trailers pulled with mid size SUV's.

And what is legal, EarlM? You don't know? I can run a commercial load all over the country 10,000lbs above the stated GCWR of my truck and only receive compliments from state scale house and DOT inspectors for my tarp system. Legality is in not exceeding tire and wheel ratings beyond other safety inspection criteria.

And if owners were aware of how much better some TVs were they'd use other than pickups with these trailers.

What I see in threads like this is a common lack of understanding of why this TT type is different. That's where a large part of the problem lays.
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And what is legal, EarlM? You don't know? I can run a commercial load all over the country 10,000lbs above the stated GCWR of my truck and only receive compliments from state scale house and DOT inspectors for my tarp system. Legality is in not exceeding tire and wheel ratings beyond other safety inspection criteria.

And if owners were aware of how much better some TVs were they'd use other than pickups with these trailers.

What I see in threads like this is a common lack of understanding of why this TT type is different. That's where a large part of the problem lays.
All I ask is the original owner try to determine if what he proposed is legal and does not exceed manufacturers specification, we are not only take the vehicle specs but the tire and the wheel ratings. let give him the facts to check out and I am sure he is intelligent enough to decide.

I don't feel any modification you can do to a X5 can make it legal and safe to tow a loaded 25 foot airstream...
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