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Old 10-04-2020, 09:52 PM   #21
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We pull our 2004 25 ft Classic with a GLE 400, 2017. It has the V6 turbo, so lots of power. I suspect you will want the 450, the smaller motor may get you there but might be pretty tired. We had the hitch upgraded at CanAm, apparently the factory hitch on the MB and most SUV's can twist with a load distributing hitch, I watched the work done and it is definitely an improvement.
We find that the only issue may be side sway in the wind. Am now looking for a good sway prevention hitch, likely Hensley. I think it might be the short wheelbase of the GLE is not long enough to be stiff enough, can feel the trucks go by or the wind gusts.
We previously had a truck, and there are times when I miss the stuff we could haul in the box. But the SUV is much better than the truck when there is no trailer also.
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Old 10-06-2020, 06:44 AM   #22
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Thank you all for the very helpful information (reply from Can-Am)

Thanks for writing. The GLE will do a super job with the 23 FB. Lots of power and great handling. The M-B hitch package includes wiring.

We would set things up with an Eaz-Lift Elite weight-distributing hitch with 600 pound bars and 2 friction sway controls. We would install a Tekonsha Prodigy P2 electronic brake controller. There is a wireless option available, the Prodigy RF model.

There are only a handful of cars as capable as the GLE for towing a 23. (Q7, X5, Cayenne, Range Rover).

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Old 10-06-2020, 07:53 AM   #23
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YEP...with little room to carry the things we take with us.
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Old 10-06-2020, 08:30 AM   #24
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Remember towing capability is about more than HP/TORQ. Braking ability, transmission's ability to dissipate heat created by the extra friction, frame/unibody ability to handle the weight from the hitch and resist twisting, ect. It is never about one(1) part of the vehicle. It is the entire vehicle that has to cope with the situation. So when vehicles of similar size have different ratings it is the ENTIRE vehicle that is rated.

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Old 10-06-2020, 12:08 PM   #25
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Thanks for writing. The GLE will do a super job with the 23 FB. Lots of power and great handling. The M-B hitch package includes wiring.

We would set things up with an Eaz-Lift Elite weight-distributing hitch with 600 pound bars and 2 friction sway controls. We would install a Tekonsha Prodigy P2 electronic brake controller. There is a wireless option available, the Prodigy RF model.

There are only a handful of cars as capable as the GLE for towing a 23. (Q7, X5, Cayenne, Range Rover).

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So what do we think of the Eaz-lift Elite with 2 friction sway controls? It looks like it might be older technology. Is there an advantage in turning off the sway control?
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Old 10-06-2020, 02:02 PM   #26
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So what do we think of the Eaz-lift Elite with 2 friction sway controls? It looks like it might be older technology. Is there an advantage in turning off the sway control?
I used dual friction on the Reese for our first AS the single axle 'Frantic Banana" a 22' 63 Safari.
Took a few Seasons to adopt the second unit, but it did help a lot.
POI...I never 'turned off' the friction sway.

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Old 10-07-2020, 05:54 AM   #27
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The hitch suggested by Philip at CanAm will work fine with a 23 ft trailer.
Although we currently pull a 25 ft Classic, the trailer that we had previously was a 1984 34 ft, which was actually the trailer that CanAm set up on the GLE 400. I must differ with their assurances about the GLE pulling that trailer, it is too too much affected by cross wind, trucks going by etc. The friction sway brakes were not up to the task of keeping it straight and steady when the wind blew or the big rigs blew on by.
However, the friction sway brake is much better with the 25 ft, and for you with a 23 ft will likely be even better. I always did not like the friction sway brakes because of the noise they make at slow speeds when they are tight, I would loosen them off as soon as we got to a campground to avoid the racket.
Hope this helps.
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Old 10-07-2020, 08:19 AM   #28
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Old 10-08-2020, 02:11 PM   #29
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Get the GLE 450. For only $5k you get way more power. After all, your only going to have the 23' AS for a year or two before going bigger. Get the more powerful TV now.
+1 We kept out 23CB for a year and traded for a 25FBT. We love the extra light and two more feet (and 6" width) makes a huge difference inside. In our case we had to upgrade our TV also
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Old 10-08-2020, 02:45 PM   #30
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Remember towing capability is about more than HP/TORQ. Braking ability, transmission's ability to dissipate heat created by the extra friction, frame/unibody ability to handle the weight from the hitch and resist twisting, ect. It is never about one(1) part of the vehicle. It is the entire vehicle that has to cope with the situation. So when vehicles of similar size have different ratings it is the ENTIRE vehicle that is rated.

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Or not. Most designs have a limiting factor, a weakest link if you will. It would be quite an engineering feat to design a vehicle whereby the engine, transmission, chassis, suspension, hitch receiver, etc, were all maxed out at the exact same point of loading. It is far more likely that some systems have significant reserve capacity, and that only the weakest links need to be addressed.

CanAm have provided a recommendation on this combination, so as long as set up is done carefully, and one doesn’t need to carry as much stuff as Bob, this vehicle and trailer would be a good match.
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Old 10-08-2020, 07:22 PM   #31
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Enough HP/ torque ?

The Eaz-Lift system recommended by Can-Am should work really well with your 23. They set up mine on a Jeep GC and a 30. It replaced a Hensley and I really can't tell the difference except for the groaning in the campground. Can't hear it on the Hwy. 300,000 k, no issues.
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Old 10-09-2020, 05:41 AM   #32
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Jim, it is reassuring to know your Jeep handles the 30 ft with no problems- can I ask what is the rating on the load distribution bars?
For the load distribution to transfer the tongue weight to the SUV I think we need 1000 lbs bars or close to that for the 25 ft Classic.
Am curious to hear how much side buffetting you experience, is there some but it is not a problem- or is it just not noticeable?
For tlars, if CanAm figures that two 600 bars works for tha 23 ft it should be ok. I wonder if you ask them to use a stiffer bar, maybe not fully cranked tight it would be better. Also you would have the heavier bars ready for the next trailer- you know, just in case?
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More HP and torque are a good thing in my mind. "Andrew T" is the specialist in my mind when it comes to towing Airstreams. Consider sending him a PM and get his thoughts.
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More HP and torque are a good thing in my mind. "Andrew T" is the specialist in my mind when it comes to towing Airstreams. Consider sending him a PM and get his thoughts.
OOPS! I waited too long so I cannot edit my post. I see you've already contacted CanAm RV - I'm sure they'll provide useful information. Regardless, I'm from the old-school, more HP, more torque... BETTER! I realize that's overkill in some instances but my engineering background leads me to appreciate having some buffer/margin.
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Old 10-09-2020, 02:34 PM   #35
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The Eaz Lift Elite 600lb kit is good to 800lb tongue and 8000lb gross. I have been talking to Philip Tipler of Can-Am Towing. The 600 with TWO sway controls was his recommendation for the GLE 450 and Flying Cloud 23fb.
I was confused by his recommendation since they do not sell Eaz Lift hitches on their website. You'll find only Equal-i-zer and other hitches. Philip said that the online store is just one of thier distriputors catalogs and he assured me that they do not sell Equal-i-zer hitches and never will. He said they don't work on them just replace them. He made other comments but I think it's best for him to post this own comments.
He made a convincing case for the more flexable Easy lift and separate sway controls that are independent of the equalizing bars.
I will go with the Easy lift system based on Philips recommendation and the fact that I seem to be just over Equalizer 600 lb/6000lb kit moving me up to 1000lb/10,0000lb. (per conversation with the Equalizer customer support). My dealer says they install only Equalizers on AS. I'll soon break the news to them. I can't see how they can not install the hitch I want. My question for anyone using the eaz lift sway control is: How difficult is it to hitch and unhitch? It looks like I'll have three balls to connect to.
I also asked Philip about the electronic trailer sway control for back-up (seen on a video on their website) He said it would never trigger. I like his confidence. I'll remember his words as I experience the Nebraska cross winds.
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475 horsepower and 1,050 lb-ft of torque feels like just about enough
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For one your insurance will be denied should you have an accident.
I hear this all the time and I don't know where it comes from but how can an insurer deny coverage when you have an accident??? That's why we have insurance, in case we have an accident. If the insurer could deny coverage every time we do something wrong they would hardly ever need to pay a claim! Even a drunk driver's insurance will cover him when he blows through a red light and kills people. Sure they might cancel the policy afterwords but when you are insured, as far as I know the only way the insurer can get out of paying is in the event of criminal intent (like you purposely wreck your car to collect the insurance), or an accident during the commission of a felony. Even then I am betting they would still be on the hook for damages to others.
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475 horsepower and 1,050 lb-ft of torque feels like just about enough
Sounds like a 6.7 Powerstroke 😀
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