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Old 01-25-2022, 03:25 PM   #1
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Chevy 2500 as a TV

We just bought a 30' Flying cloud. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with a Chevy 2500 with the 6.6L as a TV for a large trailer.
My other choice looks like it would be a Tundra with the 5.7L and tow package.

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I think many people here have experience with the truck that you're asking about. The beauty of the gasoline powered truck is that the engine is much lighter than the diesel engine, which means more payload capacity will be available. You'll obviously want to check the towing and payload limits for the specific truck that you're considering, but a Chevy 2500 shouldn't have any issues at all. Look on the door jamb for the stickers that give you all the information on limits for that truck.

For a trailer as big as a 30 footer, the Tundra will likely be pushing the limits of payload, axle ratings, etc. You'll want to do your homework if you decide to go that way to make sure that it's up to the job.

Personally, I'd go with the Chevy 2500 and never look back.

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Old 01-25-2022, 03:53 PM   #3
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Given the choice, 3/4 ton all the way in my opinion.
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I'd have no problem with that combination.
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The Tundra is a great truck, but not nearly as capable as that Chevy.

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Old 01-25-2022, 04:42 PM   #6
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The beauty of the gasoline powered truck is that the engine is much lighter than the diesel engine, which means more payload capacity will be available.
For the current body styles (2020+), this statement is not valid.

GM now gives the Duramax models a higher GVWR than the gasoline variants, so the diesel payload penalty is vastly diminished or even eliminated. In fact, in some configurations the diesel has a higher payload rating than the equivalent gasoline version.
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If you are looking at a new truck also check out 3500. Not much price difference, and if the extra leaf does not come into play I think the ride quality would be equal. Last time I looked it was hard to find the actual differences in parts other than increased payload and rear springs.
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If you are looking at a new truck also check out 3500. Not much price difference, and if the extra leaf does not come into play I think the ride quality would be equal. Last time I looked it was hard to find the actual differences in parts other than increased payload and rear springs.
For most any towing situation that we Airstreams encounter, there is no practical difference in how the 2500 rides vs. how the 3500 rides. I used some pressure-sensitive paper to see if the extra leaf spring was compressing while towing my Classic 33, and the evidence points to "no". So the extra oomph is there if you need it, but you don't pay any comfort or handling penalties when you don't use it.

For the GM models, there is one other difference between 2500 and 3500. The "1-ton" models have a slightly larger rear differential. As a result, 100% of the engine's torque is available in 1st gear. (pro tip: 1st gear is only available when in tow/haul mode; otherwise, the truck starts out in 2nd). The 2500 models limit the max torque applied in 1st gear. I think the GM 3500 models are the only ones that allow full torque in 1st gear; I believe Ford and Ram do not allow max torque in first gear. (But someone more knowledgeable than me may have better facts....)

In the real world, the torque limiter won't impact Airstream towing since all makes of HD truck are far more than we need.
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For the current body styles (2020+), this statement is not valid.

GM now gives the Duramax models a higher GVWR than the gasoline variants, so the diesel payload penalty is vastly diminished or even eliminated. In fact, in some configurations the diesel has a higher payload rating than the equivalent gasoline version.
Interesting! The Diesel engine is about 800 lbs. heavier historically. What changed?
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Good luck getting either truck at the moment because they are in short supply. I'm not sure which truck, gas or diesel, has the highest GVWR but either will be more than enough for a 30' Airstream.

This is the trailer tag off on my 2020 2500HD with the Diesel. It will pull a much larger trailer than my Flying Cloud.
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Good luck getting either truck at the moment because they are in short supply. I'm not sure which truck, gas or diesel, has the highest GVWR but either will be more than enough for a 30' Airstream.

This is the trailer tag off on my 2020 2500HD with the Diesel. It will pull a much larger trailer than my Flying Cloud.
Wow, thatís almost 1000 pound more than my Ram 2500.
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Chevy 2500 as a TV

If availability becomes an issue, you might consider the Nissan Titan XD. Think of it as a 5/8 ton.

Since the vehicle was designed around the 5.0 liter Cummins diesel (no longer available) the suspension, frame, soundproofing, brakes are all very robust. It has a relatively bulletproof 5.6 liter gas V8 and is rated to tow around 11000# and should have a payload around 2200#. Also comes with a 5 year/100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty.

I have a 2016 diesel version. Now at about 80000 miles, it has never been back to the dealer. Nothing but routine maintenance at my garage.

Since Nissan has never figured out how to market their full size trucks, you can actually get a pretty good deal, even nowadays.
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Interesting! The Diesel engine is about 800 lbs. heavier historically. What changed?
I noticed this when I ordered my 2020 Sierra. Here are some specs from the 2022 models. GVWR is 650 lbs. higher for the Duramax, and front axle weight rating is bumped up by 800 lbs. The maximum ďmax payloadĒ available is also higher for the Duramax, although that number will ultimately depend on truck configuration, trim, and options.



(If youíre paying close attention, youíll see that curb weight is identical for the 2 trucks I selected. I expect that this is an error.)
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Yeah, I saw that. This certainly makes it seem like the diesel has more capability. I just donít know what would have changed. Iím a diesel fan - My next truck will be a diesel. This news is just contrary to what has historically been true.
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I would get the Duramax. I've seen really good fuel economy out of my Duramax 3500 HD and it's a service body work truck with 3000 lbs in it at all times. Going 55 mph I've gotten 27 mpg and routinely get 23mpg at that speed.
Normally get around 15/17mpg.
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Yeah, I saw that. This certainly makes it seem like the diesel has more capability. I just donít know what would have changed. Iím a diesel fan - My next truck will be a diesel. This news is just contrary to what has historically been true.
The diesel definitely has more capability, and it always has. But manufacturers have chosen to be bound in regulatory red tape, which resulted in the crazy scenario where a gasoline-powered truck would be more capable (on paper, at least) than the turbo diesel versions.

I think what has changed is manufactures are now willing to exceed the arbitrary 10,000 lb. GVWR. In many jurisdictions, vehicle taxes are much higher once you cross this weight threshold. As trucks got heavier over time, the available payload did not reflect the true capability of the truck as long as they tried to meet this GVWR target, and sometimes this resulted in HD trucks with embarrassingly low legal payload capacities.

Once the decision to exceed the 10k limit was made, then they simply adjusted whatever else was needed to give GVWR numbers that would cancel out the impact of the heavier Duramax.

As a Texas resident, I suppose I pay about twice the annual registration fees due to the high GVWR of my Duramax than I would if I had a lower weight vehicle. Thatís not a very large penalty in my jurisdiction, but others living in high-tax areas might have a much more severe penalty as a result.
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A one ton diesel is going to be around 1o-12k more than a gas 3/4 ton. ... that's a lot of someone else's money.
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A one ton diesel is going to be around 1o-12k more than a gas 3/4 ton. ... that's a lot of someone else's money.
Unlike a new Airstream?
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I've been towing with the 6.0L in 2500 skin for nearly 20 years. It's a proven engine and has the power to tow even a 34' Airstream. You won't have any issues. Mountain towing will be hard on any vehicle, but my 6.0L towed up into and out of the mountains with no issues.

The 6.6L Duramax is also a fantastic engine. Better fuel econ both towing and not, better mountain hauling, but comes at a large increase in price and maint.

I have kids, so the SUV is the way to go for me, but if I were an empty nester, today, the 6.6L is a beast and the way I'd go. You will barely know the trailer is behind you. There is just zero comparison between the 5.7 Tundra and the 6.6L 2500 GM offering (Chevy or GMC).
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Ford, GM and RAM all follow J2807 standards for tow ratings - they aren't pulled out of a hat. The trucks are much more capable than ever due to competition between the brands. The money I spent on my diesel was my money - not someone else's. I had two diesels prior to the current one and I decided to drive gasoline powered trucks prior to my purchase of the third diesel to see if I'd be satisfied with one. I drove a Ford 7.3 L and a Chevrolet 6.6 L to compare them. Both were nice trucks but both felt anemic compared to any of the diesels. Driving a diesel is more expensive and like anything else they need to be cared for but I wouldn't go back to a gas powered pickup. The power and ability just isn't there in the gas engine counterparts.
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